Hank J. Wimbleton vs Black Swordsman (Madness Combat vs Berserk)

[Comiphorous]

Hank vs Guts​

I was inspired by another thread using Guts to try this.

• Both are 9-A
• Hank has his standard equipment, including his suicide bomb (He will not have his frag grenades)
• Guts has all his standard equipment, including his dragon sword
• Speed is equalized
• Neither have knowledge on each other
• Battle takes place in the middle of the road of the outskirts of Nevada.

Hank scales to 101.8 megajoules, scales to 0.298 Tons, likely 657 Tons with his suicide bomb (it'll kill both of them if he uses it. nothing more to add.)

Guts scales to 167.36 megajoules (Guts has a 1.65x advantage), higher with the dragon sword and Hand Cannon

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Murderface: 0

Blackswordsman: 0

They go off into the sunset together to go kill Sheriff for being a little ***** (incon): 0

 

[Arkansalter2]

I got scared for a moment.

I was inspired by another thread using Guts to try this.

Shhhh.

Anyways on with the match uhh Handcannon GGs?

 

[Arkansalter2]

Yeah.. going with Guts here.
Guts pretty handily outskills and outlasts by a lot alot with Guts "not being able to die" in this case. Worst case scenario, Hank makes this match an incon by doing self-boom boom.
Guts low diff.

 

[Comiphorous]

Anyways on with the match uhh Handcannon GGs?

Man famously known for dodging and deflecting bullets faster than him. they aren't even faster than him in this case, he could consistently deflect hand cannon shots back at guts if he wanted.

 

[Arkansalter2]

he could consistently deflect hand cannon shots back at guts if he wanted

He's not good at doing that. From the justification I seen, he deflected the shots yet none of them hit the other guy.
Oh and also... the literal 8-A slab of armor he has to deal with.

 

[Comiphorous]

He's not good at doing that. From the justification I seen, he deflected the shots yet none of them hit the other guy.

He got himself killed trying to deflect consecutive shots from an AK-47 which were faster than him, neither of which are a problem here since it's not faster than him nor is it rapid fire as far as i can see (not to the extent an AK-47 is, at least)

Reflecting or dodging it would discourage Guts from wasting his time shooting it at Hank.

Oh and also... the literal 8-A slab of armor he has to deal with.

Guts has to worry about the several semi-auto or full auto weaponry hank just has sitting in his back pocket.

 

[Arkansalter2]

He got himself killed trying to deflect consecutive shots from an AK-47 which were faster than him

Well there you go. He'd end up getting himself killed trying to deflect it. He's not very accurate with the deflection.

Reflecting or dodging it would discourage Guts from wasting his time shooting it at Hank.

Point blank and he now has a new asshole where his head should have been.

Guts has to worry about the several semi-auto or full auto weaponry hank just has sitting in his back pocket.

The 8-A slab of iron that he has to go through:

 

[Comiphorous]

Well there you go. He'd end up getting himself killed trying to deflect it. He's not very accurate with the deflection.

Ignoring the part where it's because it was faster than him and had a fast firing speed i see. neither of those are a problem here, he'd have no issue deflecting it.

Point blank and he now has a new asshole where his head should have been.

Why on god's green earth would hank, someone who uses guns mostly, get into point blank range with Guts unless he only had melee weaponry left? and even then, he could dodge he can dodge things faster than himself at point blank as well. that is not an issue, lmao. We aren't using the fraud CW.

The 8-A slab of iron that he has to go through:

I'm not seeing any higher reaction speed on his profile. big assumption he'd be able to perfectly block semi-auto to full-auto weaponry that are faster than him.

 

[Arkansalter2]

I mean then again... Guts just can't die due to Passive Probability Manip so theres that lolw.

 

[Comiphorous]

I mean then again... Guts just can't die due to Passive Probability Manip so theres that lolw.

"Guts' Probability Manipulation is likely not quite as effective in a VS match as it is in-story, as many of the times he's survived were due to outside help. While still otherwise applicable and even potentially highly effective, this does limit his potential options for a bailout with luck hax."

Hank can still ball, it'd just be harder for him to kill Guts.

 

[Arkansalter2]

neither of those are a problem here, he'd have no issue deflecting it.

Question. That sword he had there? Yk.. the one that deflected bullets? Yeah how is it deflecting something that can oneshot those scaling to guts + a 1.65x gap?

 

[Comiphorous]

Question. That sword he had there? Yk.. the one that deflected bullets? Yeah how is it deflecting something that can oneshot those scaling to guts + a 1.65x gap?

Are we pretending a 1.65 difference is big lmao? Hank no sold the feat he currently scales to.

and along with that, the bullets he deflects routinely one shot him. That's a no-sell on top of a one-shot. I think his sword can take it.

 

[Arkansalter2]

I think his sword can take it.

Interesting but then again, he has shit deflection skills.
The question is that would Guts be able to close that distance to even do anything substansial? Guts doesn't have his ranged weapons in this key.

 

[Comiphorous]

The question is that would Guts be able to close that distance to even do anything substansial? Guts doesn't have his ranged weapons in this key.

This is guts we are talking about, if Guts wishes to close the distance dammit he will close the distance, whether Hank likes it or not. Doesn't matter how much lead he eats to the chest. Or if he does indeed block with his sword. He's got analytical prediction, idk how good it is in this key though, or how good it is in general.

If they end up both deciding to say "**** it" and go CQC, who knows how that might go. Hank in-character does often disarm the enemy, sometimes even using the weapon against them, and with that LS advantage theres not a whole lot besides maybe Guts' skills that'd stop Hank from doing that.

 

[Comiphorous]

Bump

 

[Employe]

I mean then again... Guts just can't die due to Passive Probability Manip so theres that lolw.

Reminded me of Sanford, lmao

Anyway, can Hank even damage Guts with his armor? Or does Guts' armor have some weak/open spots in it?

 

[Comiphorous]

Reminded me of Sanford, lmao

Anyway, can Hank even damage Guts with his armor? Or does Guts' armor have some weak/open spots in it?

his armor isn't any higher tier. Hank should be free to harm Guts with his armor

 

[Employe]

In this case I see Hank taking this.

Hank is still impressive skill-wise at this form (While being inferior to his Hinja form, let's call it this). Man was able to briefly kept with Christoff's swordsmanship and only lost after Jeb pulled a Deagle and Christoff is already very skilled on his own. In the same episode he managed to somehow speedblitze and slice Zombie Agent's head in the half while being held at a gunpoint of G36 and getting grievously injured into his neck. And he can fight groups of armed enemies even while surrended + Hank's superior LS theoretically should be able to allow him ovèrwhelm & disarm Guts

But the main reason why I believe that he takes it is his arsenal - nothing prevents Hank from sending a barrage of bullets from an UZI or Shotgun to Guts, especially since these weapons were capable of quickly killing Christoff (A 8-C character), and Guts to my memory had never dealt with such guns.

Guts' handcannon isn't a problem because 1. Hank has encountered and successfully evaded from cannon's shooting in the past (See Madness 1)

2. I'm completely certain that dodging modern bullets that move faster than you is enough to suggest that you can dodge a shot(s) from a medieval cannon

Guts' Probability Manipulation is interesting, but ultimately more serves a role of an unreliable and NLF-revolving wincoin rather than a solid argument of winning.

So voting Hank

 

[Employe]

Bump

 

[DanTheEyeMan01]

In this case I see Hank taking this.

Hank is still impressive skill-wise at this form (While being inferior to his Hinja form, let's call it this). Man was able to briefly kept with Christoff's swordsmanship and only lost after Jeb pulled a Deagle and Christoff is already very skilled on his own. In the same episode he managed to somehow speedblitze and slice Zombie Agent's head in the half while being held at a gunpoint of G36 and getting grievously injured into his neck. And he can fight groups of armed enemies even while surrended + Hank's superior LS theoretically should be able to allow him ovèrwhelm & disarm Guts

But the main reason why I believe that he takes it is his arsenal - nothing prevents Hank from sending a barrage of bullets from an UZI or Shotgun to Guts, especially since these weapons were capable of quickly killing Christoff (A 8-C character), and Guts to my memory had never dealt with such guns.

Guts' handcannon isn't a problem because 1. Hank has encountered and successfully evaded from cannon's shooting in the past (See Madness 1)

2. I'm completely certain that dodging modern bullets that move faster than you is enough to suggest that you can dodge a shot(s) from a medieval cannon

Guts' Probability Manipulation is interesting, but ultimately more serves a role of an unreliable and NLF-revolving wincoin rather than a solid argument of winning.

So voting Hank

Employee slowly growing up

 

[Employe]

Employee slowly growing up

Employe is slowly growing up*

 

[Employe]

Bump

 

[CitRusReality64]

bump

 

[Comiphorous]

bump

oh my lord it's the guy i've been stealing scans from. crazy shit!!!!

 

[CitRusReality64]

Bump
I think I will vote for Hank for the reasons Employe brought up.

 

[DaReaperMan]

So... what exactly is stopping Guts from holding an 8-A slab of metal in front of himself and blocking all those shots? Not to mention Hank likes to occasionally block attacks, and all it takes is one for him to be a dead man.

 

[CitRusReality64]

So... what exactly is stopping Guts from holding an 8-A slab of metal in front of himself and blocking all those shots? Not to mention Hank likes to occasionally block attacks, and all it takes is one for him to be a dead man.

Well, Hank's grenades are also listed as likely 8-A, so maybe that could help.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Well, Hank's grenades are also listed as likely 8-A, so maybe that could help.

He used those as a suicide attack.

 

[Comiphorous]

Well, Hank's grenades are also listed as likely 8-A, so maybe that could help.

he only has his suicide bomb here, none of his grenades.

So... what exactly is stopping Guts from holding an 8-A slab of metal in front of himself and blocking all those shots? Not to mention Hank likes to occasionally block attacks, and all it takes is one for him to be a dead man.

i doubt he'd try to block an attack from a sword like that, but it really depends on how bad the injury is if he does do that and it hits hank. he might just blow himself and guts up if he does end up getting a fatal injury from it.

 

[CitRusReality64]

He used those as a suicide attack.

Not his frag grenades. Actually, I looked back at the scans on the profile, so the explosives used on MC1 and for his suicide are different, the profile doesn't distinguish if they have different AP or not
nvm lol

 

[CitRusReality64]

he only has his suicide bomb here, none of his grenades.

Okay, I see

 

[DaReaperMan]

he only has his suicide bomb here, none of his grenades.

i doubt he'd try to block an attack from a sword like that, but it really depends on how bad the injury is if he does do that and it hits hank. he might just blow himself and guts up if he does end up getting a fatal injury from it.

To be fair, there's literally nothing stopping guts from using the slab of iron and shielding himself from the blast with it. That's his usual gameplan when he doesn't know something.

 

[CitRusReality64]

To be fair, there's literally nothing stopping guts from using the slab of iron and shielding himself from the blast with it. That's his usual gameplan when he doesn't know something.

Dragon Slayer scales to 119.07 Tons, Hank's suicide bomb is likely 637 tons

 

[DaReaperMan]

Dragon Slayer scales to 119.07 Tons, Hank's suicide bomb is likely 637 tons

It's like 3 one-shots above that value. Also, it wouldn't matter in the first place, it's still shielding Guts properly.

 

[CitRusReality64]

It's like 3 one-shots above that value. Also, it wouldn't matter in the first place, it's still shielding Guts properly.

Fair

 

[Comiphorous]

To be fair, there's literally nothing stopping guts from using the slab of iron and shielding himself from the blast with it. That's his usual gameplan when he doesn't know something.

I don't think theres a way to position that blade to really shield himself from the explosion completely. at best he's losing several limbs and a good chunk more, assuming he survives.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I don't think theres a way to position that blade to really shield himself from the explosion completely. at best he's losing several limbs and a good chunk more, assuming he survives.

You realize he's shifting to hide behind it basically, yeah? And oh no, Guts lost a limb... certainly that's never happened before...

Maybe he'll get a rock powered boot to kick people in the balls with.

 

[Comiphorous]

You realize he's shifting to hide behind it basically, yeah? And oh no, Guts lost a limb... certainly that's never happened before...

yeah, but that assumes he even knows what's gonna happen when hank randomly whips out a remote and self-detonates on top of Guts.

hell this whole scenario assumes Hank doesn't try to get his hands on that weapon by disarming guts at any point before resorting to the suicide bomb, something he likes doing.

Maybe he'll get a rock powered boot to kick people in the balls with.

Guts vs Hank in their 8-A keys but guts has a rocket powered boot to kick hank in the balls. absolute cinema.

 

[DaReaperMan]

yeah, but that assumes he even knows what's gonna happen when hank randomly whips out a remote and self-detonates on top of Guts.

It's a big unknown, Guts is going to be cautious.

hell this whole scenario assumes Hank doesn't try to get his hands on that weapon by disarming guts at any point before resorting to the suicide bomb, something he likes doing.

If he does that he's getting blasted lol

 

[Comiphorous]

If he does that he's getting blasted lol

Nothing could really keep Hank off of guts to really do that. The dude could dodge, block or deflect any of the hand cannon shots, and has the LS to pull that thing away from guts if he gets the chance.