Since no one is doing it, Edens Zero CRT

[Nerd1435]

In the chapters 287-291, we see very impressive feats in Edens Zero that alter the scaling of the verse.

Feats in question:

SPEED

Mere fragments of Chronophage are sent across the Universe to destroy planets (chp.287 pg1 onwards)

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These fragments or rather the black thing we see is actually projections of Future Rebecca's Ether (chp.290)

Furthermore, it was actually stated few chapters back that Chronophage was not even in the cosmos (Chp.277 pg16) the main crew was staying in, and yet it's Fragments have travelled far enough to reach the crew in 30 seconds to few minutes at most.

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Chronophage even states that she is destroying this Universe with her fragments. (287 pg5)

And the 5th cosmos is OUR Universe. It has Neptune, our Earth, our Moon (Luna), USA, Japan, etc. This is where the final battle happens, Chronophage was located outside this cosmos.

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Low-End: Neighboring Star to our Solar System (even though its coming from another cosmos, and she said she was destroying the Universe)

4.246 LY

Mid-End: Center of the Milkyway Galaxy

26000 LY

High-End: Radius of the Observable Universe

4.65*10^10 LY

1. Shiki was reacting and fighting Main body of Chronophage (from whom this Ether originates from) in a 1v1
2. He even dodged her blast in OD (and OD Chronophage >> Base Chronophage) - see chp.287

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Shiki's speed feat

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He slammed Chronophage all from its original location all the way to OUR Universe, OUR Solar System, OUR Earth in tens of seconds at most.


We can consider 30-seconds for this time-frame

Similar low, mid, high-ends for distances.

Low: 4.46 Million times the speed of light

Mid: 27.3 Billion times the speed of light

High: 48.8 Quadrillion times the speed of light

So yeah, easily MFTL+

Speed Calcs here:

Chronophage and Shiki -

Edens Zero EoS speed feats

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Ziggy and Void -

Edens Zero Universe 0 Speed Feats

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Who scales?

1. Chronophage - base and OD (via feat)
2. Shiki - base and OD (via feats)
3. Void (overwhelmed Shiki)
4. Base and OD Ziggy (fought Void in base, blitzed in OD)
5. Likely Freyja (considers Void to rival her)
6. Likely Homura (fought and beat Freyja)
7. Possibly all OSG-Tier people because they have dealt with base Shiki before

ATTACK POTENCY & DURABILITY

CHRONOPHAGE can destroy and recreate the Universe in a single attack - aptly named Big Bang.

She does it twice:

1. Casually charged with finger while giving speech
2. Seriously charged with whole body (instantaneous)



She is destroying the Universe and recreating it because this Universe doesn't have her time anymore.

This destruction includes but not Limited to OUR Universe - the Cosmos where Earth resides. There is the Grand Shiki Cosmos beyond this.

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The travel to 5th Cosmos was not a linear path, Mother's Ether opened a gate to this cosmos. The properties of this Universe are entirely different compared to the Grand Shiki Cosmos.

Tier: At least Universe level, Likely Universe level+

Shiki absorbs this Energy and sustains it wrecking him inside-out. (Chp.288)

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Durability: At least Universe level, Likely Universe level+

More Ether = more Durable (Chp.210, pg.15)

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We know he did absorb it all because when Rebecca charges big bang for second time, she has energy reading of 10^72J according to Pino scouter but Planets didn't start disintegrating, Pino and others were fine.

However in the first charge, Planets already started disintegrating by the time Shiki absorbed it. Meaning, it was charged already and Shiki made it fall to him.

He wasn't scared of her Big Bang at all. He kept giving her a chance to come with him willingly and save Mother. Even while she was about to wipe out the Universe, he was saying come with me to save Mother we don't have much time. He was giving more importance to Mother over this. (Chp.288)

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AP: At least Universe level, Likely Universe level+

Who scales?
1. OD Chronophage
2. OD Shiki
3. Likely Ziggy - Base and OD
4. Likely Void
5. Possibly Freyja?
6. Possibly Homura?
(For reasons similar to those mentioned under speed)

ENVIRONMENTAL DESTRUCTION

Destruction of Universe 0 would destroy the whole Infinite Multiverse

So Chronophage was causing the end of a 2A cosmology with this attack, although it is due to how the multiverse works and is reliant on Universe 0.

Chronophage: 2A Environmental Destruction




MORE SCALING

Thanks to Zackra I recalled that Void can destroy Mother too, and is capable of bypassing her durability.

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As we have established before, more Ether means more Durable.

Mother, albeit dying and weakened, was passively supplying Ether to the whole Universe, and her process of fading was causing spatial distortion across the Universe.

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We even see it near Chronophage which was located OUTSIDE the 5th Cosmos.

Tier:
Void and Ziggy: At least Universe level

VOTES:

AGREE:

@KingTempest (Staff), @Nierre (Staff), @CloverDragon03 (CalcStaff), @Dalesean027 (Staff), Zackra, Remus1998, Quan, Christian, AnonymousBlank, SDTaro, Eseseso (11 people)

DISAGREE:

Lynieriz supports 2-A scaling

 

[Nerd1435]

I made this on mobile, I will slowly post scans but I mentioned chapter numbers. If you want to know the chapter number and page of anything I mentioned, ask me and I will give it.

I was unable to upload images on imgur for some reason

 

[McHael15]

Sorry oot nerd, it wanna ask some question Does Ether in Edens Zero have cm2 because when Mother disappeared, outer space warped — in other words, Ether became not only a life force but also the fundamental foundation of the universe. What do you think?

 

[Nerd1435]

Sorry oot nerd, it wanna ask some question Does Ether in Edens Zero have cm2 because when Mother disappeared, outer space warped — in other words, Ether became not only a life force but also the fundamental foundation of the universe. What do you think?

Ether is a fundamental building block of the Universe.

In Edens Zero's Earth, It was an ongoing topic of research that's been recently proven by the american physicist, Yuna (based on whom valkyrie is created). It is an energy that operates from subatomic level to universal level.

Earth has Ether observation Center and they sent earth to Overdrive by using the LHC (Large Hadron Collider which accelerates and collides particles at near-light speed)

Thing to note is edens zero Earth's Technological progress was somewhat more advanced than us until they discovered the existence of Ether, and after discovering its existence and applications with help of robots from 20000 years into the future, their progress has shot up.

Ether is pretty much the Grand Unification Theory in the world of Edens Zero, the ultimate answer.

We are actually made aware in the series that each form of matter and each element has various Ether flow configurations. And as you change Ether flow configuration, the matter will also change entirely.

Water can change to glass, Steel can change to Water, etc.. even though they're made of entirely different atoms just by rearranging the Ether flow of matter.

This how Overdrive and various other matter manipulation abilities in Edens Zero work.

For atoms to change from 1 to the other, the electronic configuration and the nucleon count would also change, meaning change at subatomic level.

However it is not concept manipulation. It is just the physics of Edens Zero.

 

[Eseseso]

Ether is a fundamental building block of the Universe.

In Edens Zero's Earth, It was an ongoing topic of research that's been recently proven by the american physicist, Yuna (based on whom valkyrie is created). It is an energy that operates from subatomic level to universal level.

Earth has Ether observation Center and they sent earth to Overdrive by using the LHC (Large Hadron Collider which accelerates and collides particles at near-light speed)

Thing to note is edens zero Earth's Technological progress was somewhat more advanced than us until they discovered the existence of Ether, and after discovering its existence and applications with help of robots from 20000 years into the future, their progress has shot up.

Ether is pretty much the Grand Unification Theory in the world of Edens Zero, the ultimate answer.

We are actually made aware in the series that each form of matter and each element has various Ether flow configurations. And as you change Ether flow configuration, the matter will also change entirely.

Water can change to glass, Steel can change to Water, etc.. even though they're made of entirely different atoms just by rearranging the Ether flow of matter.

This how Overdrive and various other matter manipulation abilities in Edens Zero work.

For atoms to change from 1 to the other, the electronic configuration and the nucleon count would also change, meaning change at subatomic level.

However it is not concept manipulation. It is just the physics of Edens Zero.

Seems like potentially either Reality Warping or Type 2 Information Manipulation

 

[CloverDragon03]

She specifically says the energy value of 10^72 joules, which is 3-B, so personally I'd do something like:

At least 3-B, likely 3-A, possibly Low 2-C

 

[Nerd1435]

She specifically says the energy value of 10^72 joules, which is 3-B, so personally I'd do something like:

At least 3-B, likely 3-A, possibly Low 2-C

Yes but which is more important to us? The actual portrayal and destruction or the specified energy output?

The energy output vs battles wiki considers for destruction of the Universe isn't an infallible truth.

In most Universe level series, they're universal simply because they are said to destroy the universe (rightfully so). Method of destruction, energy output needn't be calculated. None of these authors would know about it either.

Moreover Rebecca's method of destruction is also Omnidirectional energy radiation, same as the standard considered by this site for Universe level.

But Mashima would not do calculation for this specific method, his judgement would come from the total mass-energy in the Universe (dark energy+dark matter+ordinary matter) multiplied several times over.

I think it is unfair that Edens Zero gets a different rating when:

1. Our Observable Universe is a part of their entire Universe, it is not any smaller
2. Method of destruction same as the standard used on Vsb

Ultimately our goal at using energy outputs is to quantify feats that cannot be tiered at face value/destructive capacity.

 

[Nerd1435]

For example, look at this:

Candice Catnipp

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She is tiered at multi-continent level.

But her Galvano blast is specified to have an energy output of 5 Gigajoules, that's considered strong and relevant even at her Tier.

Characters weaker than her, like the Espada, could destroy cities with sheer destructive capacity.

Now should we Tier her galvano blast and her at building level?

No because author judgement between energy output and the corresponding destructive capacity isn't always accurate.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Yes but which is more important to us? The actual portrayal and destruction or the specified energy output?

The energy output vs battles wiki considers for destruction of the Universe isn't an infallible truth.

In most Universe level series, they're universal simply because they are said to destroy the universe (rightfully so). Method of destruction, energy output needn't be calculated. None of these authors would know about it either.

Moreover Rebecca's method of destruction is also Omnidirectional energy radiation, same as the standard considered by this site for Universe level.

But Mashima would not do calculation for this specific method, his judgement would come from the total mass-energy in the Universe (dark energy+dark matter+ordinary matter) multiplied several times over.

I think it is unfair that Edens Zero gets a different rating when:

1. Our Observable Universe is a part of their entire Universe, it is not any smaller
2. Method of destruction same as the standard used on Vsb

Ultimately our goal at using energy outputs is to quantify feats that cannot be tiered at face value/destructive capacity.

Both are important, and ignoring either seems disingenuous

 

[Nerd1435]

Both are important, and ignoring either seems disingenuous

Well if you've read/watched Bleach, what is your opinion about Candice?

I'm sure I can find more examples if I try to search for it; cases where author specified the energy output even though the actual feat massively outweighs it.

In those cases I think Vs battles wiki would've not considered the specified energy output since the feats and scaling suggest otherwise.

I think you also understand what I'm trying to get at.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Well if you've read/watched Bleach, what is your opinion about Candice?

I'm sure I can find more examples if I try to search for it; cases where author specified the energy output even though the actual feat massively outweighs it.

In those cases I think Vs battles wiki would've not considered the specified energy output since the feats and scaling suggest otherwise.

I think you also understand what I'm trying to get at.

The thing is that Candice's situation is especially egregious because 5 gigajoules was massively contradictory compared to what was actually shown. 10^72 joules, in contrast, is not very far off (being close to universal levels of potency anyway). And I'm not exactly ignoring the 3-A and Low 2-C stuff either, so why is your approach that ignores the energy value superior?

 

[Nerd1435]

The thing is that Candice's situation is especially egregious because 5 gigajoules was massively contradictory compared to what was actually shown. 10^72 joules, in contrast, is not very far off (being close to universal levels of potency anyway). And I'm not exactly ignoring the 3-A and Low 2-C stuff either, so why is your approach that ignores the energy value superior?

Or one can say that massive contradiction is a bigger concern and should make one question the Tier compared to the one that's relatively close in Tier to the explicitly stated destruction.

There is no reason to "punish" a verse that actually is pretty in-line with what it should actually be to cause the collapse of a Universe (assuming a closed Universe). If we actually get into the physics of it, introducing 10^72 Joules of energy in the form of either matter or radiation would increase the stress-energy tensor value

And when this increases, we can see from 1st friedmann eq. that the critical scale factor decreases, post reaching which da/dt<0 and keeps contracting eventually into big crunch (we can see from 2nd eq. too that with high enough matter and radiation, d^2a/dt^2<0)

Anyway, I'm not hell bent on it. I'm fine with at least 3b likely 3a possibly l2c.

It's not worth the time for a minor change.

What is your opinion on speed btw?

 

[CloverDragon03]

I don't really see what's "punishing" here. Is it because of a lower value existing, or what?

As for speed, I mean yeah it's very obviously a MFTL+ feat I just admittedly haven't gone back enough to really say for sure what ends I support most

 

[Zackra1799]

Shouldn't the Universe stuff instead be 2-A, since it's stated that Universe 0 is where all time from an infinite-sized multiverse converges, there's also the fact that both Void and the Chronopage can destroy Mother, who supplies the ether to all of the infinite universes?

 

[Nerd1435]

Shouldn't the Universe stuff instead be 2-A, since it's stated that Universe 0 is where all time from an infinite-sized multiverse converges, there's also the fact that both Void and the Chronopage can destroy Mother, who supplies the ether to all of the infinite universes?

Universe 0 destruction causes 2A cosmology to collapse but that may be a consequence of how the entire cosmology is reliant on 0, seems more like destroying ground floor of a huge building to collapse the whole building.

On the other hand there is an argument to make for time hax.

Universe 0 is the starting point of the Multiverse. Point Zero, literally.

Anything that gets realized in Universe 0, becomes a reality, the entire multiverse (of infinite universes) merges once it gets realized.

While it's against laws of the individual universes, it's still possible to get do-overs in branching universes via time reverse or leap.

But whatever happens in Universe 0 is supposed to be a multiversal constant. Even memories of a person will get overwritten across the Multiverse.

A dead Shiki in Universe 0 should've merged the multiverse and overwritten the reality of multiverse including memories to that of "Shiki died like this"

BUT, Rebecca still managed to undo this multiversal reality, albeit with great effort.

Void is capable of the same, as he can reverse time even in Universe 0.

In Universe 0, reversing time isn't just fighting against law of a single Universe, but it's going against the multiverse itself which is why it takes unfathomably more effort.

 

[Nerd1435]

There's also the fact that both Void and the Chronopage can destroy Mother, who supplies the ether to all of the infinite universes?

Btw Void can only possibly destroy a dying Mother who doesn't have access to her powers. (we don't know the means) Besides the thing is we have seen true gravity ignore Mother Ether (immunity to gravity) and was stated to be irresistible regardless of strength.

As for Shiki, he destroys Mother by simply making the choice to save himself and his friends.

With her rightful powers regained, she resides in a transcendent dimension like Xiaomei (who sits outside infinite universes and their causality)

Even having been reset from human form to a planet directly by Chronophage and history altered to never being born, she still existed in the planet memory.

And as you said, she's the source of all Ether in the multiverse. So what Chronophage was using is only a portion of her Ether and so neither shiki nor Void should stand a chance against her.

Another thing is the Mother-Ether Paradox.

If Mother is born from Earth going Overdrive and Ether has always existed, how is the Universe running entirely out of Ether without her eventually leading to destruction of the whole universe? How is she the source of all Ether? Chronologically it doesn't make sense at all.

That is another reason why I think Mother has transcended space-time (along with xiaomei who got her powers from Mother transcending it)

 

[Lynieryz]

She specifically says the energy value of 10^72 joules, which is 3-B, so personally I'd do something like:

At least 3-B, likely 3-A, possibly Low 2-C

Big Bang

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The zero universe created and affected an entire 2-A cosmology. (10^72 joules is the approximate value that science accepts for the Big Bang, Mashima is not a physicist, he just researched the value and put it in the work because it's cool.

And you hand waved the Bleach case for a finite contradiction in value, imagine here that it is an infinite difference.)

2-A: Multiverse level+​

Characters or objects that can significantly affect, create and/or destroy a countably infinite number of separate space-time continuums.

1. "Significantly affect" is here used as an umbrella term for feats that don't involve direct creation or destruction but are comparable to them in power, such as warping and distorting the entirety of the structure in question, sustaining its existence with energy, merging the structure with another one, etc.

Core Chronophage feat is literally 2-A by wiki standard, she can create and recreate a structure that significantly affects a 2-A cosmology. The only tier here should be 2-A.

 

[CloverDragon03]

I mean you can say it however you like, 10^72 still has a stronger basis (that you even highlight) that I'd like to not ignore

What difference does it make anyway? The 3-A and Low 2-C values are still in my proposal

 

[Lynieryz]

I mean you can say it however you like, 10^72 still has a stronger basis (that you even highlight) that I'd like to not ignore

What difference does it make anyway? The 3-A and Low 2-C values are still in my proposal

I'm nipping it in the bud; something that can be brought up later. Wiki standards define the zero universe feat as 2-A. The value doesn't go against 2-A by your own logic.

The thing is that Candice's situation is especially egregious because 5 gigajoules was massively contradictory compared to what was actually shown.

And you hand waved the Bleach case for a finite contradiction in value, imagine here that it is an infinite difference.

The other tiers are irrelevant, I won't pay attention to phantom arguments that depend on ignoring Wiki standards. The only valid question is the value and I already talked about that above.

 

[CloverDragon03]

If you wanna ignore arguments that's no skin off my nose, if the feat is 2-A that's another story

 

[Lynieryz]

If you wanna ignore arguments that's no skin off my nose

The other tiers are irrelevant, I won't pay attention to phantom arguments that depend on ignoring Wiki standards.

Big Bang

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The zero universe created and affected an entire 2-A cosmology. (10^72 joules is the approximate value that science accepts for the Big Bang, Mashima is not a physicist, he just researched the value and put it in the work because it's cool.

And you hand waved the Bleach case for a finite contradiction in value, imagine here that it is an infinite difference.)


Core Chronophage feat is literally 2-A by wiki standard, she can create and recreate a structure that significantly affects a 2-A cosmology. The only tier here should be 2-A.

if the feat is 2-A that's another story

My entire comment is about this. You should have read it all before replying, including the scans.

Universe Zero altering infinite universes[2-A] is literally a plot point and that is the definition of a 2-A feat.

2-A​

Characters or objects that can significantly affect, create and/or destroy a countably infinite number of separate space-time continuums.

1. "Significantly affect" is here used as an umbrella term for feats that don't involve direct creation or destruction but are comparable to them in power, such as warping and distorting the entirety of the structure in question, sustaining its existence with energy, merging the structure with another one, etc.

 

[CloverDragon03]

"Events that affect Universe 0 will affect the other universes" is just a chain reaction, it's not scalable to 2-A

 

[Lynieryz]

"Events that affect Universe 0 will affect the other universes" is just a chain reaction, it's not scalable to 2-A

Did you read what you just wrote??? It's an inherent characteristic of the existence of the Zero universe. It alters infinite universes when it's altered. This "chain reaction" is attributed to the very existence of the Zero universe, this "chain reaction" would only go against the feat if it was caused by something else.

 

[CloverDragon03]

The problem is that you're not directly affecting all the universes by your own action, you're just affecting Universe 0, which affects the other universes by its nature. It's a 3-A/Low 2-C feat with a 2-A chain reaction

 

[Lynieryz]

The problem is that you're not directly affecting all the universes by your own action, you're just affecting Universe 0, which affects the other universes by its nature. It's a 3-A/Low 2-C feat with a 2-A chain reaction

What??? What are you talking about??? The very existence of the Zero universe alters infinite universes when it is altered, this makes the Zero universe 2-A according to Wiki standards. Directly destroying this structure that is 2-A makes you 2-A, this "chain reaction" does not exist for the simple fact that this is the very existence of the Zero universe.

This is shown with future technologies that are capable of omnisciently observing a 2-A cosmology, yet are unable to observe the Zero universe.

 

[CloverDragon03]

You're repeating yourself without understanding what's at play here. Universe 0 is not a 2-A structure, it doesn't actually contain all these universes in it, it's just that affecting it affects the other universes.

 

[Lynieryz]

You're repeating yourself without understanding what's at play here. Universe 0 is not a 2-A structure, it doesn't actually contain all these universes in it, it's just that affecting it affects the other universes.

Did you read what I sent??? You genuinely don't understand the Wiki standard. Universe Zero does not need to contain infinite universes to be 2-A, "Significantly affecting" a 2-A structure makes you 2-A. (This is the third time I'm sending this to you, if you keep ignoring it, I'll just accept that you're arguing in bad faith.)

2-A​

Characters or objects that can significantly affect, create and/or destroy a countably infinite number of separate space-time continuums.

1. "Significantly affect" is here used as an umbrella term for feats that don't involve direct creation or destruction but are comparable to them in power, such as warping and distorting the entirety of the structure in question, sustaining its existence with energy, merging the structure with another one, etc.

Again, this "chain reaction" is irrelevant. The one who changes all universes is the Zero universe itself through its own existence. This "chain reaction" literally does not influence anything that I said.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Did you read what I sent??? You genuinely don't understand the Wiki standard. Universe Zero does not need to contain infinite universes to be 2-A, "Significantly affecting" a 2-A structure makes you 2-A. (This is the third time I'm sending this to you, if you keep ignoring it, I'll just accept that you're arguing in bad faith.)


Again, this "chain reaction" is irrelevant. The one who changes all universes is the Zero universe itself through its own existence. This "chain reaction" literally does not influence anything that I said.

I'm gonna put it bluntly: you don't know what you're talking about, yet you confidently insist I'm the one who doesn't, and that is tiring. Significantly affecting Universe 0 is a universal feat because it's its own universe, what happens to other universes as a result of Universe 0 being significantly affected is not relevant because that wasn't directly caused by the person who significantly affected it.

Rebecca destroying Universe 0 isn't a 2-A feat because she isn't destroying infinite universes, she's destroying a single universe, and that one universe's destruction causes other universes to be affected in a way that is unrelated to her own AP. She doesn't actually have the potency to destroy infinite universes. This is objectively how the standards work, so don't try to preach to me about them when you don't understand them yourself.

I don't care how you feel about the argument when you're objectively wrong.

 

[Lynieryz]

I don't care how you feel about the argument when you're objectively wrong.

My god, am I talking to a wall? That's not even the argument ↓↓↓, this will be the second time I explain to you that I'm not talking about that.

I'm gonna put it bluntly: you don't know what you're talking about, yet you confidently insist I'm the one who doesn't, and that is tiring. Significantly affecting Universe 0 is a universal feat because it's its own universe, what happens to other universes as a result of Universe 0 being significantly affected is not relevant because that wasn't directly caused by the person who significantly affected it.

Reread everything I sent in this thread because you understood everything wrong. I'm not talking about "Significantly affecting" UNIVERSE ZERO. I'm talking about the Zero universe itself "Significantly affecting" INFINITE UNIVERSES.

The Core Chronophage isn't 2-A for "Significantly affecting" Universe Zero. It's 2-A for destroying universe Zero which is 2-A for "Significantly affecting" infinite universes.

 

[Nerd1435]

I'm talking about the Zero universe itself "Significantly affecting" INFINITE UNIVERSES.

The Core Chronophage isn't 2-A for "Significantly affecting" Universe Zero. It's 2-A for destroying universe Zero which is 2-A for "Significantly affecting" infinite universes.

As you said U0 affects infinite Universes.

Whatever has been observed/realized in Universe 0 becomes a reality of the infinite Universes.

That can be Happy's death - a truck crashing into Happy fatally would kill him across the multiverse. But the truck doesn't have infinite AP for affecting infinite objects.

Every observation in Universe 0 gets realized across the multiverse.

It's just a difference in the scale of the observation, whether that be the death of Happy or death of the Universe.

 

[Nerd1435]

But maybe this can be 2A environmental destruction?

Environmental Destruction

Environmental Destruction describes a character's capability to damage and destroy an area around themselves, but not necessarily their capacity to realistically harm their opponent. In practice, this is essentially a non-combat applicable Attack Potency; if a character is able to cause weather...

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[CloverDragon03]

My god, am I talking to a wall? That's not even the argument ↓↓↓, this will be the second time I explain to you that I'm not talking about that.

Reread everything I sent in this thread because you understood everything wrong. I'm not talking about "Significantly affecting" UNIVERSE ZERO. I'm talking about the Zero universe itself "Significantly affecting" INFINITE UNIVERSES.

The Core Chronophage isn't 2-A for "Significantly affecting" Universe Zero. It's 2-A for destroying universe Zero which is 2-A for "Significantly affecting" infinite universes.

What Universe Zero does has no bearing on the scaling tho, it's not like Universe Zero is some sentient being with its own potency that we'd then scale other characters to. This is just basic chain reaction stuff

But maybe this can be 2A environmental destruction?

Environmental Destruction

Environmental Destruction describes a character's capability to damage and destroy an area around themselves, but not necessarily their capacity to realistically harm their opponent. In practice, this is essentially a non-combat applicable Attack Potency; if a character is able to cause weather...

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Looking at other cases of ED, probably?

 

[Remus1998]

3-A/Low 2-C us fine for physica attributes but 2-A seems to be ED

 

[KingTempest]

Can a 3-B boom technically "destroy" the universe?

 

[CloverDragon03]

3-A/Low 2-C us fine for physica attributes but 2-A seems to be ED

Thoughts on 3-B with the 10^72 Joule statement? (Something like "At least 3-B, likely 3-A, possibly Low 2-C" or "At least 3-B, likely 3-A to Low 2-C")

 

[CloverDragon03]

Can a 3-B boom technically "destroy" the universe?

I'm very iffy about this technicality because she's specifically also talking about the energy that created the universe so I don't see why it wouldn't be the whole thing in its entirety

 

[Nerd1435]

Can a 3-B boom technically "destroy" the universe?

She's destroying AND recreating it with the same attack

 

[Nerd1435]

Btw I uploaded new images to the post for most of that I was claiming. Couldn't upload on imgur for some reason so I used a different site

 

[Zackra1799]

"Events that affect Universe 0 will affect the other universes" is just a chain reaction, it's not scalable to 2-A

I think you're missing the point, not only is the Chain reaction point is disproven since events changing in universe 0 arc don't affect the other universes directly but the mentioned statement was made by a character who had already admitted that it was only a possibility and that they didn't know anything about Universe 0, so that bottom statement about a possible chain reaction in the scan is false.

The only effect Universe Zero has is its effect on time; it's stated to converge all into Universe 0; the mother in Universe Zero is connected to every universe's ether; without Universe 0's mother, all the ether in the infinite multiverse runs out.

Mother herself, in her overdrive form, was the one to create the 2-A multiverse; her planet form is what produces endless ether. Both Ziggy and Void believe that Void can destroy Mother in her overdrive state

Mother's immediate disappearance causes distortions in space and a rapid decline of ether in every cosmos. We know that this affects every universe as well from the prior statements, thus Mother's passive ether output is powering every cosmos in the multiverse alone, as shown when space immediately returns to normal when mother is restored by the chronopage

 

[CloverDragon03]

You got a scan for Ziggy and Void believing Void can destroy Overdrive Mother?

(It's also very strange when the final boss is hyping up power around the universal-ish range and then this happens)