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I actually have a similar thread going for giving other Trainers than Red their rematch keys.
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Infinite speed and possibly Low 1-C for Trainer Red
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Im not gonna comment on another thread but i am gonna say that Candice isnt stronger than the Elite Four just because her levels are higher. Because otherwise she would be an Elite Four member (and theres no canon reason why she would turn down the job if she could).
Once again, game levels arent wholly representative of being stronger canonically than a character
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Elite Four members are even stronger than that thanks to their own refight. Clair’s full power already rivals an Elite Four member anyway.
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You literally fight her after you’ve beaten Cynthia, dude.
Yeah, why’s that different?
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Doesnt mean shes as strong as or comparable to Cynthia. Pretty sure the post-game battleground bar place was just where they canonically hung out in their downtime, which would have been the case before you even started your journey.
Rematch teams dont mean they've surpassed the old state of the Champion canonically. Game levels are a mechanic first and foremost, it would defeat the point of post-game rematches if they werent higher levels from a game perspective
Well because
A) Different gym leagues. Theres nothing saying gym leaders from one region are comparable to another. The closest you get is B2W2 but thats in the future compared to both games, where they use different things to their teams from the old fame
B) Clair was actually in a statement to say she 'rivalled an Elite Four'. Candice wasnt. Separate characters with no scaling points from their respective games
C) Gym Leaders being as strong or comparable to Elite Four in general defeats the status of the Elite Four being above them in power.
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Unless you think Dawn absolutely steamrolled all the postgame Gym Leaders from a story perspective, it would actually mean that. Also that wouldn't mean they've always been that strong.
The Gym Leaders are still referring to their own Pokemon League. That doesn't matter nearly as much as you think it does since Clair has a rematch too. In case you've forgotten what I just said, the Elite Four members get significantly stronger in the postgame too.
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Ight im not gonna derail this one further but
A) We dont know from a story perspective. Its guesswork. The protag is an actual human being controlling and pplaying through the game, but we only know that story-wise, the Gym leader was beaten. We dont know the difficulty since that varies. You're headcanoning.
B) You cant just go 'Oh but that doesnt matter'. It does. Theres no facts to go by it, gym leaders arent all comparable by strength (and i believe it was you who said gym leaders are ordered by strength? I dont believe that narratively but plz stay consistent). Ergo, Candice isnt stronger than the Elite Four just because another character, trained alongside Lance, can 'rival an E4 member'. Last time i recall too, shes never actually beaten Lance.
C) Elite Four get 'stronger' by game levelling means only. Theres no way to quantify real strength like that. The Gym leaders didnt go through a huge power-up journey themselves where they are suddenly on a level that the E4 and Champion used to be just because they're using their actual non-mandated-for-gym-battles team.
A) We dont know from a story perspective. Its guesswork. The protag is an actual human being controlling and pplaying through the game, but we only know that story-wise, the Gym leader was beaten. We dont know the difficulty since that varies. You're headcanoning.
B) You cant just go 'Oh but that doesnt matter'. It does. Theres no facts to go by it, gym leaders arent all comparable by strength (and i believe it was you who said gym leaders are ordered by strength? I dont believe that narratively but plz stay consistent). Ergo, Candice isnt stronger than the Elite Four just because another character, trained alongside Lance, can 'rival an E4 member'. Last time i recall too, shes never actually beaten Lance.
C) Elite Four get 'stronger' by game levelling means only. Theres no way to quantify real strength like that. The Gym leaders didnt go through a huge power-up journey themselves where they are suddenly on a level that the E4 and Champion used to be just because they're using their actual non-mandated-for-gym-battles team.
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I WOULD agree if the Legendary that Arceus made was like Level 70 or 80 or something instead of an Egg that hatches at Lv. 1.
I agree with Red getting to Infinite speed in general though.
I agree with Red getting to Infinite speed in general though.
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Tough.
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Speed?
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I don't have much hope for Low 1-C since I learned that we can get the event whenever we want. I'm currently only working on Inf speed Red and Green.
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Yes, it's actually already accepted even as of this thread, just got forgotten to be updated
