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8-C to 9-A + Correction + Degradation of the sleeping giant of "Del Mar"

You're saying his girlfriend knows him better than the people who made him? I'm starting to think 2 feet was retconned since it came from the first movie which was 11 years ago.
Hey bro, what the director says isn't always right. I'll give you an example.
It's like saying that Adam Wingar, the director of the MonsterVerse, said "Godzilla is 300 m tall," but in the movies he says he's 120 m tall. The director's words can help, but if they contradict the original work, it's useless.
 
Also, 2 feet is closer to the height of an average domestic cat.
In a verse where you can invade a castle while riding on a giant ginger bread man, I don't think having animal heights be 1-1 with their real life counterparts is that important.
And to start with, the director of the second film didn't create it.
The director of the first film was Chris Miller, who also directed Sherk 3, and the one who directed the second film was Joel Crawford, so he's not its creator.
And that's where you're wrong. Before the first Puss In Boots movie, he made his first appearance in Shrek 2 which was directed by Andrew Adamson, Kelly Asbury, and Conrad Vernon. By your logic, they're the ones who actually created Puss so Kitty's statement in PIB1 would be automatically incorrect just because Chris didn't come up with the original concept for the character. Of course, I don't actually buy any of what you're saying because they all clearly had a part in it and none of them should be prioritized over the other.
Hey bro, what the director says isn't always right. I'll give you an example.
It's like saying that Adam Wingar, the director of the MonsterVerse, said "Godzilla is 300 m tall," but in the movies he says he's 120 m tall. The director's words can help, but if they contradict the original work, it's useless.
Do you have any evidence other than a baseless assumption that the director is incorrect?
 
In a verse where you can invade a castle while riding on a giant ginger bread man, I don't think having animal heights be 1-1 with their real life counterparts is that important.

And that's where you're wrong. Before the first Puss In Boots movie, he made his first appearance in Shrek 2 which was directed by Andrew Adamson, Kelly Asbury, and Conrad Vernon. By your logic, they're the ones who actually created Puss so Kitty's statement in PIB1 would be automatically incorrect just because Chris didn't come up with the original concept for the character. Of course, I don't actually buy any of what you're saying because they all clearly had a part in it and none of them should be prioritized over the other.

Do you have any evidence other than a baseless assumption that the director is incorrect?
And they say I'm the fool.
Hey bro, not only does Kitty support this height, but also that it's the average height of a domestic cat, and I already told you that not everything the director says is true. If it contradicts the original work, it's no good as a statement. So go ahead and accept it. Puss is 2 feet tall, and there's nothing you can do.
 
This. I think WOG is correct in this case.
Bro, are you really okay with using 2.5 feet coming from a single person instead of Kitty's statement which sounds more reasonable, and is closer to the height of a house cat?
 
Do you have any evidence other than a baseless assumption that the director is incorrect?
And do you have any evidence that Kitty is wrong other than the director's statement?
I'll tell you something, two CGMs have already accepted this height of 2 ft or 0.6096 m, so you can't do anything.
 
And do you have any evidence that Kitty is wrong other than the director's statement?
The fact that "about 2 feet" is an approximation in the first place? Who do you think is more reliable, the creator himself or the character he created?
I'll tell you something, two CGMs have already accepted this height of 2 ft or 0.6096 m, so you can't do anything.
The only thing they accepted is that the calculation is mathematically correct, not whether the stated height is correct. They said it themselves that they don't have evaluation rights. You can't add this without permission from a thread mod/admin but you did anyway. You literally broke the rules.
 
Who do you think is more reliable, the creator himself or the character he created?
Are you telling me that if Adam Wingar said "Godzilla is 300 m" but in the movies he says he's 120 m, are you telling me that it's more reliable to use 300 m than 120 m just because his creator said so?
 
Are you telling me that if Adam Wingar said "Godzilla is 300 m" but in the movies he says he's 120 m, are you telling me that it's more reliable to use 300 m than 120 m just because his creator said so?
False equivalence fallacy. You'll need to prove that info from Puss' director is unreliable instead of pointing to a different director who has nothing to do with the character we're currently discussing.
 
False equivalence fallacy. You'll need to prove that info from Puss' director is unreliable instead of pointing to a different director who has nothing to do with the character we're currently discussing.
And you will have to prove that Kitty is wrong and another thing, the director is not its creator
 
And you will have to prove that Kitty is wrong
I don't have to. Look it up. Her statement uses the word "about" which is used to indicate an approximation or a rough estimate so her statement of Puss being 2 feet isn't necessarily precise or accurate. She's pretty much making a guess based on what she saw and remembered.
the director is not its creator
He is along with others. A director's role is to provide creative leadership for a production, ensuring the project's vision is realized from start to finish. This involves interpreting the script, guiding actors' performances, collaborating with various departments, and ultimately shaping the final product (I just copied that from Google by the way).
Ok. Get a mod/admin in here and settle this.
 
I don't have to. Look it up. Her statement uses the word "about" which is used to indicate an approximation or a rough estimate so her statement of Puss being 2 feet isn't necessarily precise or accurate. She's pretty much making a guess based on what she saw and remembered.
But bro, but from 0.6096 m to 0.762 m there is a lot of difference and also if Puss was 0.762 m tall why didn't he say something like "You're wrong Kitty, I'm not 2 feet tall but 2.5 feet tall?", if he really was 2.5 feet tall and also Puss isn't that much taller than Kitty, only by about 3 cm at most for him to say that Puss is 0.762 m tall
 
I don't have to. Look it up. Her statement uses the word "about" which is used to indicate an approximation or a rough estimate so her statement of Puss being 2 feet isn't necessarily precise or accurate. She's pretty much making a guess based on what she saw and remembered.

He is along with others. A director's role is to provide creative leadership for a production, ensuring the project's vision is realized from start to finish. This involves interpreting the script, guiding actors' performances, collaborating with various departments, and ultimately shaping the final product (I just copied that from Google by the way).

Ok. Get a mod/admin in here and settle this.
But bro, but from 0.6096 m to 0.762 m there is a lot of difference and also if Puss was 0.762 m tall why didn't he say something like "You're wrong Kitty, I'm not 2 feet tall but 2.5 feet tall?", if he really was 2.5 feet tall and also Puss isn't that much taller than Kitty, only by about 3 cm at most for him to say that Puss is 0.762 m tall

With this, the director's statement is no longer reliable for what I told you.
 
I'm leaning neutral in regards to using 2 feet as opposed to 2.5 feet; "about 2 feet" as an in-universe but uncertain statement (that technically outranks the 2.5 feet statement from the director) isn't a great measuring rod but it isn't strictly wrong to use either. Gun to my head, forced to choose, I'd go with the explicit 2.5 feet, however I'd like a source to be found for that- otherwise, I'd go with the 2 feet value.

I think the attempted scaling of many different people to the Giant isn't really grounded in any fact, but rather impression. I've seen the movies in question, it isn't directly implied at any point that Death is physically stronger than the Giant, and scaling Dragon makes even less sense. The Giant's feats should only really scale to it.
 
I'm leaning neutral in regards to using 2 feet as opposed to 2.5 feet; "about 2 feet" as an in-universe but uncertain statement (that technically outranks the 2.5 feet statement from the director) isn't a great measuring rod but it isn't strictly wrong to use either. Gun to my head, forced to choose, I'd go with the explicit 2.5 feet, however I'd like a source to be found for that- otherwise, I'd go with the 2 feet value.

I think the attempted scaling of many different people to the Giant isn't really grounded in any fact, but rather impression. I've seen the movies in question, it isn't directly implied at any point that Death is physically stronger than the Giant, and scaling Dragon makes even less sense. The Giant's feats should only really scale to it.
Well, as I said, because these are the reasons why we should use the height of 0.6096 m rather than 0.762 m:
1.- 2 feet or 0.6096 m is the average height of a domestic cat
2.- The person who gives the statement is not just anyone but Kitty who knows everything about Puss, she even knew that Puss's true love was the same and also if Puss was 0.762 m tall instead of 0.6096 m why didn't Puss say something like "You're wrong Kitty, I'm not 2 ft tall but 2.5 ft is what I measure"? If Puss is really 2.5 ft tall
3.- Also the size difference between Puss and Kitty is not that much, Puss is only about 3 cm taller than Kitty at most, so he can't be 0.762 m tall because the difference would be noticeable.
For these reasons Puss measures 0.6096 m and not 0.762 m
 
I think 2.5 makes sense since the in-verse statement was "about 2" anyway which is close enough to the WOG value which is more specific.

I won't comment on who might scale to the giant since I wouldn't really know.
 
I think 2.5 makes sense since the in-verse statement was "about 2" anyway which is close enough to the WOG value which is more specific.

I won't comment on who might scale to the giant since I wouldn't really know.
Well, as I said, because these are the reasons why we should use the height of 0.6096 m rather than 0.762 m:
1.- 2 feet or 0.6096 m is the average height of a domestic cat
2.- The person who gives the statement is not just anyone but Kitty who knows everything about Puss, she even knew that Puss's true love was the same and also if Puss was 0.762 m tall instead of 0.6096 m why didn't Puss say something like "You're wrong Kitty, I'm not 2 ft tall but 2.5 ft is what I measure"? If Puss is really 2.5 ft tall
3.- Also the size difference between Puss and Kitty is not that much, Puss is only about 3 cm taller than Kitty at most, so he can't be 0.762 m tall because the difference would be noticeable.
For these reasons Puss measures 0.6096 m and not 0.762 m
 
Well, as I said, because these are the reasons why we should use the height of 0.6096 m rather than 0.762 m:
1.- 2 feet or 0.6096 m is the average height of a domestic cat
Irrelevant.
2.- The person who gives the statement is not just anyone but Kitty who knows everything about Puss, she even knew that Puss's true love was the same and also if Puss was 0.762 m tall instead of 0.6096 m why didn't Puss say something like "You're wrong Kitty, I'm not 2 ft tall but 2.5 ft is what I measure"? If Puss is really 2.5 ft tall
Why would he? Her statement was vague.
3.- Also the size difference between Puss and Kitty is not that much, Puss is only about 3 cm taller than Kitty at most, so he can't be 0.762 m tall because the difference would be noticeable.
Things aren't always animated to scale, but do we know Kitty's exact height?
 
So you can't say it's not well animated.
I didn't say it was not well animated. I said things aren't always animated to scale, in fiction, in general.
Why irrelevant? It's the average height of a cat, 2 ft is more credible than 2.5 ft.
Because even if he weren't a fictional cat: not every cat is average height.
 
I didn't say it was not well animated. I said things aren't always animated to scale, in fiction, in general.

Because even if he weren't a fictional cat: not every cat is average height.
Also if Puss was 0.762 m Death would be 3 m tall and no, on the other hand if we use the 0.6096 m Death would be 2.35 m tall, without the ears he would be 2.13 m tall and I already know what you're thinking "And when he's next to humans?" I knew you were going to say that so I made the comparison and the man next to him is 1.91 m tall but using the 0.762 m that man would be 2.45 m tall so don't come to me saying that 2.5 ft is better than 2 ft
 
Also if Puss was 0.762 m Death would be 3 m tall and no, on the other hand if we use the 0.6096 m Death would be 2.35 m tall, without the ears he would be 2.13 m tall and I already know what you're thinking "And when he's next to humans?" I knew you were going to say that so I made the comparison and the man next to him is 1.91 m tall but using the 0.762 m that man would be 2.45 m tall so don't come to me saying that 2.5 ft is better than 2 ft
Or maybe it could have been felt at 0.762 and regarding the subject of the height of Death, I can make a thread that Death can change its Shape and therefore also its height, just wait until I gather the information, give me like 5 minutes and that's it.
 
I think 2.5 makes sense since the in-verse statement was "about 2" anyway which is close enough to the WOG value which is more specific.
How close is it? Maybe in the US system of units maybe yes, it was only 0.5 feet, but in the International System 0.5 feet is equivalent to 15.24 cm, so it's not close at all.
 
How close is it? Maybe in the US system of units maybe yes, it was only 0.5 feet, but in the International System 0.5 feet is equivalent to 15.24 cm, so it's not close at all.
???
 
You said 2 feet and 2.5 feet are close, but not exactly, or at least not in the system we're using. In the US system, they're only 0.5 feet, but in the international system, they're 15.24 cm, and that's a big difference, to be honest.
Anyway, could you please reply to this thread?
 
Also you haven't answered my question, if Puss was really 2.5 ft, why didn't he correct Kitty even though her statement was vague? Why didn't Puss say something like "You're wrong Kitty, I'm not 2 ft, I'm 2.5"? But Puss never denied that height, so Puss is 2 ft because he never corrected Kitty.
 
Also you haven't answered my question, if Puss was really 2.5 ft, why didn't he correct Kitty even though her statement was vague? Why didn't Puss say something like "You're wrong Kitty, I'm not 2 ft, I'm 2.5"? But Puss never denied that height, so Puss is 2 ft because he never corrected Kitty.
I did.

Stop spamming the thread. Let other people weigh in.
 
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