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I see. Can the OP be updated for the current proposals being made?
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Ben 10 Upgrade | Part 1
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Ok but not now
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Why not, man? That'd make things easier and faster, so this thread can progress.
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I was busy at the time, I was on business.
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Done
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I would close this thread, unless if Firestorm has separate opinion from Reiner's or ActuallySpaceMan's opinion
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Apologies, I've been working the night shift for the past week.
I'll go over the OP again later today.
I'll go over the OP again later today.
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No worries, you are doing your best as far as i see, ı appiricate it keep up!
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I just prefer that you put the abilities that you have a problem with it, to focus on it and not take a long time like before like this:
- [Your word]
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It is more accurate to say:
Conceptual Manipulation (Type 3; Skilled enough mana users who know the true names of things can change the name, and in turn, manipulate their properties)
Information Manipulation (Type 2; Skilled enough mana users who know the true names of things can change the name, and in turn, manipulate their properties)
Nature of Mana
Elf Physiology
Conceptual Manipulation (Type 3; Skilled enough mana users who know the true names of things can change the name, and in turn, manipulate their properties)
Information Manipulation (Type 2; Skilled enough mana users who know the true names of things can change the name, and in turn, manipulate their properties)
Nature of Mana
- Abstract Existence (Type 1 [Concept, Name & Magic]; Mana is the essential name of a thing/being/nature, and is the substance of magic.)
- Disagree. Mana is not the names of things, but Mana can be used to manipulate names.
- Reality Warping (Mana's effects can warp reality to an unknown extent. Mana can changes Legerdomain all the time.)
- Fine
- Disease Manipulation (Mana passively cause "maladies" to people.)
- Disagree. The face condition was because of Swampfire, not mana
- Teleportation, Dimensional Travel & BFR Negation (Mana can passively negated any dimension travel and teleportat, as shown here and here)
- Mana blocks Dimension Shifting through it, not negates.
- Negating tech-based Teleportation seems fine.
- "BFR Negation" is too broad of a description. What do you mean?
- Minor Light Manipulation (Mana can make emit a blinding light.)
- Fine
- Mind Manipulation, Transmutation & Corruption Negation (Both Types; Mana shield can protect anyone inside them from being affected by Dagon's mind wave)
- Not negation. It resists/blocks the influence.
- "Limited Transmutaion" is fine
- Transmutation is typically used for Organic to Inorganic or states of matter changes. Turning a being into one of their uniform minions seems more limited
- Technology Manipulation (2 Layer, possibly 3 Layers; Mana can passively malfunction in Omnitrix and the rest of the technology. Mana can passively malfunction in Ultimatrix, which makes Ben revert to his Human form.)
- I disagree with giving mana this passive effect.
- I'm fine with using examples of mana directly used on technology.
- Limited Dimensional Manipulation (Mana passively prevent dimensional shifting from one area to another.)
- Fine.
- Disease Manipulation (Mana passively cause "maladies" to people)
- Disagree. See my previous statement.
- Technology Manipulation (2 Layer, possibly 3 Layers; Mana can passively malfunctions in Ultimatrix, which make Ben back to Human form)
- Disagree. See my previous statement.
- Empowerment (Mana user can increase their power depending on where they are, for example, the power of a user in a forest increases more than in city, since a forest full of life-force and energy)
- We need this demonstrated in the series.
- Chi Manipulation and Passive Aura(The User has magical aura in nature, as he can manipulate energy that permeates in every natures)
- Disagree with Chi Manipulation as the use of "life energy" in the series more aligns with the generic use in Western media than Eastern media.
- Unholy Manipulation & Resurrection (High-Godly; The user can use dark magic and able to reviving dead and their mana.)
- When was this a thing for mana?
- All Basic Mana abilities
- What basic mana abilities?
- Inorganic Physiology (Type 1; Rock Monster stated to be "Rock Creatures"[36], they are beings made of mana, lack real biological functions.)
- Self-Size Manipulation (Rock Monster can increase their size[15])
- Body Control, Fusionism & Weapon Creation (Rock Monster can manipulate their bodies to merge themselves to become armor[15])
- Immortality:
- (Type 2; Rock Monster are "durable beings"[14], can still alive even after lose part of their body, or even their body shattered into crumbs[69])
- Do you have a clip of the monsters actively still moving after losing their head or torso, not just regenerating at a later time.
- (Type 3 & Regeneration [High-Mid]; Can regenerate himself after their body shattered into crumbs[69])
- Is there a clip of such regeneration in the later series? This seems like a unique case.
- (Type 2; Rock Monster are "durable beings"[14], can still alive even after lose part of their body, or even their body shattered into crumbs[69])
- Longevity (Rock Monster are "durable beings"[14], which means they are long-lived beings)
- Is there no better reason for longevity?
Elf Physiology
- All Basic Mana abilities, plus:
- What basic abilities?
- Small Size (Type 0; Elf are very small creatures)
- Fine
- Inorganic Physiology (Type 1; Elf is magical creatures, created by jingilator[70].)
- Not proof that they are inorganic.
- Immortality (Type 1; They live eternal life as they are live in holiday village that is out of sync with time[70].)
- Not enough for type 1 rather than longevity. Need proof of "never die of old age" than "stuck forever"
- Self-Sustenance & Infinite Stamina (Type 3; Elves can work for eternity[70])
- Transmutation, Body Puppetry and Curse Manipulation (Their Mana powers is curse power can curse everything in town[70], show when elf changes Max to Santa Claus and control him like toy[70])
- Sound Manipulation (Elf can turn Max's laughter into Santa Claus' laughter[70])
Resistance to: - Magic Negation (Their curse magic powers can't be nullify even if source this curse was destroyed[70])
- Revise to: If someone's personality starts changing, tracking a being's aura using their personal items becomes less effective as the original aura reading becomes weaker.
- Rest is fine.
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What do you mean?
It literally Charmcaster say Names are "Powers", which means it refers to Mana. Even name of Legerdomain stated to be magic
No one talked about Ben's face, Rock say "Gwen suggest that I carry some emergency magical supplies for maladies of a sorcerous nature"
It Passive nullify Teleportation and Dimensional Travel, shown when it make Azmuth's Father can't use his teleportation to become. It makes Esoterica can't travel between dimensions
No, Transmutation is for change beings in many ways, including form, so it's not limited
Why? It makes Ben back to Human form when it becomes close to Ultimatrix.
We literally seen this when Gwen was in Legerdomain
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Abilities of Basic Mana users
See this
Not same but Ignaceous say their race can regenerate himself and he can regenerate himself after part of his body was cracked.
No?
They are "magical" beings, magical creatures like Rock Monster doesn't have DNA
Ok
Ok
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Lol i remember this weakness was mu suggestion
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Ha agrees with Mana being a Type 3 concept if I'm not wrong
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Idk, his words seem like mysterious
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Since you didn't mention it, do you agree with Info Type 2?
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To clarify, I only agree with Limited Information Manipulation Type 2 due to it only demonstrably shown for specific objects.
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- She did not say that. Refer to the transcript.
- Regardless, that doesn't justify "passive," just magic related.
- Blocking dimension slipping travel like a wall is not negation. BFR negation but only for Tech Teleportation is fine.
- If the other staff are fine with transmutation, it's fine.
- That's not passive. She literally threw mana at it.
- Then why did you give a non-series forest example and not a legerdomain one from the series?
- Mana was used for payment for Dagon to use his powers. It's not mana-based. Nor is it conventionally unholy.
- Bruh... List the "Abilities of Basic Mana" users
- Fine
- Fine.
- I disagree with this justification for Rock Monster Longevity. Do we not have an example of a very old rock monster being around for more than a human lifetime?
- Elves being "magical" is not proof of inorganic status. Even Ben and Gwen become elves.
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She did.
So add to Spells?
Ok
Ok
No, hte spell was working for something else, but when Mana approached Ben, it brought him back to Human
What statments explained is that when a user becomes surrounded by a mana it becomes more powerful and that's why I put it to be more clear
No, it stated that is powers of Dark Magic, and in order for Charmcaster to mask Dagon to return her father, she made a deal with him. It's Dark Magic/Mana which means it's Dark Soul, and it's stated to be "forbidden" and become more dark when the user became more evil.
I put example of users, not all of them?
Ok (Let's leave this in another CRT)
Yh, but not full as it said that should be get out of this place before the curse is complete. That's why they didn't become like the rest of Elves
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They can merge mana with technology, and make data spells. Why is this are limited????
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- "Names are power" is a metaphor like "Knowledge is power." Names are not literally made of mana. It is a means of control through using mana.
- Magic can be used to cause medical conditions, yes.
- Done.
- Done.
- Gwen threw mana into the center of the hole where the device was. Prove that the mana ball landed "next to the device" to prove it acted passively.
- Are there any in-series statements from legerdomain that corroborate the original claim.
- Unholy Manipulation is the power to control and generate energies, elements, objects and entities that have been deemed hellish, demonic or unholy, forces that are connected with demons, evil spirits and anti-gods.
- Using magic to sacrifice souls to revive someone is morally evil, but it's not our definition of Unholy.
- Resurrection via Dagon's Magic is fine.
- To reiterate, is this the only thing listed for "basic mana abilities"?
- Chi Manipulation and Passive Aura
- Done.
- You need to prove that Elves are inherently inorganic. Like a toy from Toy Story, they can lose an arm and be fine. EX: They don't bleed, etc.
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This is not Information Manipulation Type 2.
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It is they can manipulate data to manipulate Mana/Essence, also why "Limited"
It literally stated to be Mana ("magic word"). Even Charmcaster say:
If you still iffy on it we can change it to essence
The spell was working to bring Ben back to consciousness, but for some reason his spell didn't do it and Mana did the opposite. If you don't agree with it passive, so it can add Technology Manipulation (via spell or effect of mana; 2 Layers, possibly 3 Layers) via this scan
Yh of course, here and here. Also I have more statement that mama users can become more powerful when they in a place full of Mana;
Hex when he in his library, stated to be more powerful and equal to Charmcaster (in Legerdomain):
- Empowerment: Users obtain inhuman levels of strength, speed, stamina, and even increase one's mental and spiritual capabilities by being empowered by evil entities. Few users can even become a vessel for a greater evil.
- Energy/Elemental Manipulation: Generate, shape and control the innate energies, elements, and matter innate from the depts of hell, such hellfire, faust water, cursed earth, and corrupted light, as there's no element that can't be considered unholy. Due to their esoteric nature, these forces may be capable to directly affect the soul of the target, ignoring conventional durability and protections.
- Corruption: Turns the purest soul and twist the clearest mind by inducing sin and vice into the heart. Some times, converting beings into demons, devil or other types of evil spirit its possible.
Ok
And all powers & abilities of Mana Manipulation & Spells.
Why? This doesn't need for Inorganic Physiology. Even there many characters has Inorganic Physiology via:
Adam: "Pure Light beings"
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- What examples are you referring to?
- Don't use scripts as primary references. Only use them to clarify stuff in the final product.
- What do you mean by "change it to essence"?
- I disagree with passive effects. Remind me the layer chain for 2, possibly 3.
- Empowerment based on location and setup is fine.
- What scans are you using for these alleged dark mana abilities?
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- I highly doubt that the Rock Monsters are capable of doing everything under "all powers & abilities of Mana Manipulation & Spells"
- I don't know why that was added for Adam. It doesn't even meet our site requirements.
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I meant why it's "limited", also I meant this.
I use it as additional support. Like this: Abstract Existence (Type 1 [Essence & Magic])
I meant Passive Effect would be "1 Layer, possibly 2 Layers", Active Effect would be "2 Layers, possibly 3 Layers", since it passively effects and same time it need to be activate like Time Power
Here and here
They can use spells, also it's not too hard to manipulate mana.
It matches what is described in Inorganic Physiology.
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