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What do you mean by Smurf Abilities?
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Ben 10 Upgrade | Part 1
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How does that apply here?
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It's on OP
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I still disagree with Concept Manipulation, as I did before.
As for Potency, there's no such thing as smurf abilities below 1-A anymore; it's all just range.
As for Potency, there's no such thing as smurf abilities below 1-A anymore; it's all just range.
- Spatial Manipulation (User can make crack in the very fabric of reality.)
- The fabric of reality isn't space.
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Can you explain why?
What, only abstract abilities can't be below 1-A
Ok
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Magic is an abstract ability, and you stated yourself it's reality warping.
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Will Time Powers have Potency for some powers and Time Powers are Law Manipulation & Nonduality, also Magic in Marvel are Conceptual Type 1
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What?
Time Manipulation is a range. Whether it's a small area, a timeline, or a hypertimeline, they're all just different sizes, so stopping time on those levels would be range.
The same would go for being Multi-Dimensional Energy and Reality Warping.
As for Law Manipulation, I thought you removed that.
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Aight, I don't know where you're getting that out. The "Hax" page mentions that abilities that cover an area of higher dimensionality, counts as Smurf Hax, a handful of nods and admins had said the same thing, and even in the previously mentioned page, it mentions a Low 1-C example, so it's clear that's not just limited to 1-A levels.
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That's my bad, I meant there are two types of smurf abilities. One's that are based on potency, and one's that are based on range.
The abilities in the CRT (Being a Fundamental Force, Reality Warping, Time Manipulation) are all smurfabilities that are based on their range of effect.
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Yh I removed law hax from OP, but Time Power have 5-D Potency although Time Power is Order and Nonduality
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Also I need just explain to this
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From what I can tell, it's because every user of it can perform Low 1-C feats using it. The same doesn't go for magic like you're doing here.
As for the Conceptual stuff. Permeating everything, and being life force, isn't evidence for being Conceptual. We've seen people lose their essence, and magic, and still exist, so that shows it isn't fundamental either, and by extension, the names.
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Check out the mana page, many characters have done feats like Gwen, Alpha Rune, Charmcaster and etc.. have good feats such as affect Omnitrix's Dimension, or Legerdomain, etc.
Every character lost his name/mana would going to die immediately, and that's what we've seen here, even Ben, who had Low-Godly Regeneration with Omnitrix was killed, and since they are alive so they still have mana. Mana is not just life-force is also soul, essential, etc... But abo
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That wasn't the point I was making. Time Power has that potency because, from what I can see, anyone who uses it reaches that Tier. Not every Magic User in Ben 10 is 1-B.
Losing your concept wouldn't cause you to just die; that's more akin to life force.
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Ok
If character still alive it means he still has life-energy. It also make Legerdomain go to destroyed after lost their name/mana, there many effects of losing mana, like: if Rock Creatures lost their mana they would destroyed, but with Gwen, it make her lost their Anodite natural
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I don't think you understand. If mana is the essence and concept of things, then something losing its mana should cause that thing to disappear as well, not die, or be destroyed, but vanish entirely. Shouldn't even be able to say their name, considering that's what your stating mana is.
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They don't lose their mana, their mana still exists but it absorb from them. The same thing with Vanitas, if someone lost its true name, the beings don't disappear but it make changes on beings.
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You can't use another verse as reasoning. If Ben 10 had statements like that, I would agree, but it doesn't.
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Not convincing enough for me. Firstly, has there been any showcase of a name being changed on anything besides a magical door with a rune on it? Secondly, have there been any showcases that, without mana, things disappear from reality, as that's what concepts do when they're removed.
If evidence for these two things exist, I agree, if not, I disagree.
If evidence for these two things exist, I agree, if not, I disagree.
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It shown when name of Legerdomain are changed, it make Legerdomain also change every time.
It shown when names of Legerdomain disappear, Legerdomain was destroyed.
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Okay, so the door's true name thing is literally just a password. It doesn't change the door, just who can open it, which isn't conceptual manipulation.
As for that scan about Legerdomain changing because of the name. That's not what it says, it says it's changing because it's a dimension made of magic, unrelated to the name changing.
Anyway, I disagree. I'm not even supposed to be interacting with Ben 10 CRT's because of how much of a headache they are, so I'll end this here.
As for that scan about Legerdomain changing because of the name. That's not what it says, it says it's changing because it's a dimension made of magic, unrelated to the name changing.
Anyway, I disagree. I'm not even supposed to be interacting with Ben 10 CRT's because of how much of a headache they are, so I'll end this here.
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Magic is Mana=Name, he is made of mana also so if Name changes, Legerdomain would be changed. Anyway I discuss with Agnaa with this, and he say this more like Info Type 2, since Mana a system of names, words and symbols are essence, soul and life and one of fundamental forces of Universe, so do you agree with him?
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@ dont notify if you aren't staff. Will have to reply to there meassges to notify them.
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Hmmmmmmmm, ok anyway
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Did you send Agnaa the actual links/scans, or did you tell him in your own words?
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I sent him the same words
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I sent this to him but without the link.
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If you send him the actual links, I'll reevaluate my verdict.
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It doesn't explain what you mean by "potency."
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No, what explains the context is that Door works to open a door to anyone if he says true name of place, but Darkstar was about to do this and he could not because, as Charm said, she changed the name of Door, which caused its function to change so that it would not open a door to anyone except her, and then it returned to its normal state, which returned its function. It changes the door, as Darkstar mentioned that names control the things like name of door control the door.
Mana is the one who does this, it's the one who created it
I add now argument for Info
NvM, ActuallySpaceMan42 say Mana is Abstract thing so it can't be has potency.
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