CW Flash Revision

[Dalesean027]

Ayeee welcome back

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

We honestly better just close this thread and start a new one. We've gotten precisely nowhere.

 

[ByArrow]

We honestly better just close this thread and start a new one. We've gotten precisely nowhere.

There is no need to open a new thread for now. There is nothing left to discuss.

Once all the profiles are complete then we will close this thread and create a new Thread to implement the revision.

 

[ByArrow]

ByArrow/sandboxarrowgerse

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I started working on it again. Anyone can follow the developments through the sandbox.

 

[Dalesean027]

There is no need to open a new thread for now. There is nothing left to discuss.

Once all the profiles are complete then we will close this thread and create a new Thread to implement the revision.

ByArrow/sandboxarrowgerse

vsbattles.fandom.com

I started working on it again. Anyone can follow the developments through the sandbox.

Is it just adding accepted stats and calcs into the sandboxes now?

 

[ByArrow]

Is it just adding accepted stats and calcs into the sandboxes now?

Mostly yes.

But I'm adding things that are not yet accepted, like Street Level being 8-C, Supergirl having Low 2-C and Stellar Level LS via solar energy absorption, Donnerverse Superman having Class Z LS.

I'll open a CRT in a day or two and have these accepted.

 

[ByArrow]

Can someone calculate the energy from overgirl's explosion in this scene? I tried and failed.

I know there is a calculated version of this feat based on a statement about the explosion, but I think it would give a higher result if it was calculated based on what we saw on scene.
I was finally able to calculate it and it didn't give a good result.

 

[Dalesean027]

Can someone calculate the energy from overgirl's explosion in this scene? I tried and failed.

I know there is a calculated version of this feat based on a statement about the explosion, but I think it would give a higher result if it was calculated based on what we saw on scene.
I was finally able to calculate it and it didn't give a good result.

this likely wouldn't get above 8-B or maybe 8-A tops tbh, she's far enough away from earth and so clearly visible that planet curvature is off the table for scaling the size of the explosion. Also kinda cooked by the fact that we do not accept calcs of explosions that happen in space so you'd actually just want to scale by the statement

 

[Legion350]

Where is the Low 2-C rating for Supergirl coming from?

 

[ByArrow]

Where is the Low 2-C rating for Supergirl coming from?

In 6x19, was told that if supergirl absorbed the Solar Energy directed at her for 4 minutes, she would become immune to 5-D magic and strong enough to defeat 5-D beings like Mxy without difficulty.

Currently on the wiki, 5-dimensional beings like Mxy are at least Low 2-C. This is where Supergirl's Low 2-C level comes from.

 

[LMalone22]

In 6x19, was told that if supergirl absorbed the Solar Energy directed at her for 4 minutes, she would become immune to 5-D magic and strong enough to defeat 5-D beings like Mxy without difficulty.

Currently on the wiki, 5-dimensional beings like Mxy are at least Low 2-C. This is where Supergirl's Low 2-C level comes from.

I can't remember if I remember correctly she seemed to fight Nyxlygnsplntz and after she absorb solar energy, Nyxlygnsplntz herself was in a weakened state as well since she didn't have the AllStones Totems and I can't remember in which scene she beat Mxy maybe I just forgot

 

[ByArrow]

I can't remember if I remember correctly she seemed to fight Nyxlygnsplntz and after she absorb solar energy, Nyxlygnsplntz herself was in a weakened state as well since she didn't have the AllStones Totems and I can't remember in which scene she beat Mxy maybe I just forgot

Supergirl didn't beat Mxy. If she absorbed solar energy for 4 minutes, she would be immune to 5-D magic and strong enough to defeat 5-D beings. This was said on scene. But since this energy absorption process harms the world, they gave up in the last second.

That's why I said “Up to at least Low 2-C” in the profile, since it was said that Supergirl can get to Low 2-C by absorbing energy.

Even when Nxy didn't have the AllStones Totems, she was as strong as Mxy and scared him.

 

[LMalone22]

Supergirl didn't beat Mxy. If she absorbed solar energy for 4 minutes, she would be immune to 5-D magic and strong enough to defeat 5-D beings. This was said on scene. But since this energy absorption process harms the world, they gave up in the last second.

If I remember correctly, solar energy was only mentioned as a threat to planet and it's not uncommon for a 3-D character to hurt 4-D character unless they were powerful enough to kill it, so it could be a supporting argument that she could Low2-C

 

[ByArrow]

which part she beat him i can't remember

Supergirl didn't beat Mxy.

If I remember correctly, solar energy was only mentioned as a threat to planet

It was said that it would take 6 months for the Sun to renew itself, and that the disruption endangered the Earth and could be altered the Sun's orbit.

The scene is here.

 

[LMalone22]

It was said that it would take 6 months for the Sun to renew itself, and that the disruption endangered the Earth and could be altered the Sun's orbit.

It's not a conclusion that she can kill 4-D character and that can't put her on that level. As I said, it's not uncommon for a 3-D character to hurt a 4-D character. They just hurt them, it doesn't mean they're always on same level as 4-D character they can harm 4-D characters, however, they cannot kill 4-D characters, just like Supergirl, she cannot kill them, even though she is stated to be able to resistance imp magic, it does not mean that she can actually kill them and even some technology can resist 5-D magic, does that mean they should be on that level too?

 

[ByArrow]

It's not a conclusion that she can kill 4-D character

I never said that

and that can't put her on that level.

Yes, it brings her to this level.

They just hurt them, it doesn't mean they're always on same level as 4-D character

If a character can hurt/harm another character, he/she scales.

they can harm 4-D characters, however, they cannot kill 4-D characters, just like Supergirl, she cannot kill them, even though she is stated to be able to resistance imp magic, it does not mean that she can actually kill them and

You know you don't have to kill someone to scale to them, right?

And no, supergirl can't hurt 5-D beings. And she's not strong enough to defeat hem.

And a level 12 genius from the future says that Supergirl can defeat Nxy, a 5-dimensional being, after this amp. And if you can beat a character, you scale in 99% of situations. And this is not one of the 1%.

even some technology can resist 5-D magic, does that mean they should be on that level too?

In the Arrowverse, no technology can resist 5-D magic. Only some technologies can disconnect the 5th dimensional being in the universe from the 5th dimension and go around the 5-D magic. But if this entity has an object from the 5th dimension, she/he can connect even if the technology disconnects she/he from the 5th dimension. And when he/she connects to 5th dimension, no technology can stand against 5-D magic.

 

[LMalone22]

If a character can hurt/harm another character, he/she scales.

You know you don't have to kill someone to scale to them, right?

Then why can't characters from mcu that can hurt higher dimensional characters scale, like captain marvel punched a hole in a planet and was able to hurt infinity ultron and zombie wanda herself was able to hurt him as well even though he proved that he fought the watcher (5-D) fist to fist and beat him If character can hurt him, then they should scale with him

 

[ByArrow]

like captain marvel punched a hole in a planet

If you calculate this feat or someone else calculates it and it follows the rules of cross-scaling in the MCU, Captain Marvel can scale to this feat. But I don't think it's going to be higher than what she's scaling to now.

and was able to hurt infinity ultron

I watched the fight again and yes, Captain Marvel hurt Ultron at the end of the fight when she directed all her power at his head. The reason Captain Marvel doesn't scale here is not because “just because you can hurt someone doesn't mean you scale to them”, but because this is an outlier for Captain Marvel.

and zombie wanda herself was able to hurt him as well

Yes, she did hurt him, but again the reason why wanda doesn't scale is because it's an outlier for her.

even though he proved that he fought the watcher (5-D) fist to fist and beat him If character can hurt him, then they should scale with him

As I said, they don't scale because these two feats are infinitely bigger than the feats that these two characters have repeatedly demonstrated and struggled to perform. And they are not said or shown to receive any power boosts. If there was something in the story to justify this level of power, they would scale.

And supergirl has this. The story explains the increase in her power level and a reliable source says that she can defeat them.

 

[Dalesean027]

@LMalone22 stop derailing this thread and talking about other verses please

 

[LMalone22]

@LMalone22 stop derailing this thread and talking about other verses please

Sorry

 

[Isaacbobanka]

In 6x19, was told that if supergirl absorbed the Solar Energy directed at her for 4 minutes, she would become immune to 5-D magic and strong enough to defeat 5-D beings like Mxy without difficulty.

Currently on the wiki, 5-dimensional beings like Mxy are at least Low 2-C. This is where Supergirl's Low 2-C level comes from.

So the 5th dimension just transcends the Supergirl universe? In arrowverse wiki it states that the supergirl universe has several timelines wouldn't that mean it would qualify for atleast low-1c ?

 

[ByArrow]

So the 5th dimension just transcends the Supergirl universe?

The 5th dimension is not transcendent to the supergirl universe. The 5th dimension is just beyond and above all multiverses but not transcendent.

In arrowverse wiki it states that the supergirl universe has several timelines wouldn't that mean it would qualify for atleast low-1c ?

the 5th dimension is already scaling to 1-C (5+2D). But since Mxy and other 5-dimensional beings do not perform this level of feat, they only scale to at least Low 2-C.

 

[ByArrow]

I'm working on the Arrowverse cosmology and canon page. Here is the sandbox if anyone wants to check it before publishing.

In the cosmology part, only the individual universes part is finished. The other parts are not yet completed.

 

[Isaacbobanka]

The 5th dimension is not transcendent to the supergirl universe. The 5th dimension is just beyond and above all multiverses but not transcendent.

the 5th dimension is already scaling to 1-C (5+2D). But since Mxy and other 5-dimensional beings do not perform this level of feat, they only scale to at least Low 2-C.

Yeah but isn't being 5th dimensional being above all 4d infinitely and above and him being 5d to supergirl that has a atleast 2-C structre mean he is infinitely above a low-2c structure therefore being atleast low-1c? I thought by just being 5d you would be transcendant to all 4d is that not true?

 

[ByArrow]

I thought by just being 5d you would be transcendant to all 4d is that not true?

Being a 5D being means that you only have one extra axis. It doesn't mean that you are transcendental to 4D or that you are infinitely above it or infinitely times bigger.

For the 5-dimensional being in question to be Low 1-C, it would have to be infinitely large or perform a feat at the Low 1-C level. And none of the Arrowverse 5-D beings fit either of these criteria.

 

[MrTayman616]

35 pages what? I thought this was general discussion thread for cw lol.

 

[Isaacbobanka]

Being a 5D being means that you only have one extra axis. It doesn't mean that you are transcendental to 4D or that you are infinitely above it or infinitely times bigger.

I thought them transcending was displayed when he view a episode of supergirl on a tv? And that the only thing out of descusion was qualitiv superior?

Also if the 5th dimension is a plane that is transcendant and 7 dimensional and mr mxy gets his powers from it wouldn't that scale him to it?

Also then why does every being said 5d described as higher dimensional beings not to mention in wiki it says "higher-dimensional gravity"

 

[ByArrow]

I thought them transcending was displayed when he view a episode of supergirl on a tv? And that the only thing out of descusion was qualitiv superior?

Mxy's view of the supergirl universe as a netflix could be an argument for transcendence. But it doesn't fit the R>F requirements. And this argument has been rejected twice.

Also if the 5th dimension is a plane that is transcendant and 7 dimensional and mr mxy gets his powers from it wouldn't that scale him to it?

Just because you are getting power from one source does not mean you will scale to the full power of that source. In order for Mxy to scale to the 5th dimension, it needs to absorb the full power of the 5th dimension.

Also then why does every being said 5d described as higher dimensional beings not to mention in wiki it says "higher-dimensional gravity"

In the wiki, to get HDE you only need to have an extra axis and nothing else. But for Large Size Type 10, each dimension must be infinite. This is why most of the characters with HDE do not have Type 10 Large Size.

 

[Isaacbobanka]

Mxy's view of the supergirl universe as a netflix could be an argument for transcendence. But it doesn't fit the R>F requirements. And this argument has been rejected twice.

I thought R>F was only for 1-A and i looekd though higher dimensional existance and i can't find it there is this really an argument needed for a low-1c character/structure?

Just because you are getting power from one source does not mean you will scale to the full power of that source. In order for Mxy to scale to the 5th dimension, it needs to absorb the full power of the 5th dimension.

How would that matter if its 1% or 100%? it would still be 7d magic none the less and i don't see the issue of it being in a smaller amount.

In the wiki, to get HDE you only need to have an extra axis and nothing else. But for Large Size Type 10, each dimension must be infinite. This is why most of the characters with HDE do not have Type 10 Large Size.

I think ive gotten that point now after reading throgh the higher dimensional existance page but in mr mxys page it is described that he creates several other timelines wouldn't that mean atleast 2-C.

 

[ByArrow]

I thought R>F was only for 1-A and i looekd though higher dimensional existance and i can't find it there is this really an argument needed for a low-1c character/structure?

If you transcend a universe in such a way that it becomes a television series for you, then you have R>F. And this argument was rejected when R>F was only +1 and not 1-A.

How would that matter if its 1% or 100%? it would still be 7d magic none the less and i don't see the issue of it being in a smaller amount.

Just as 3-D finite/non-infinite energy is not High3-A, 7-D finite/non-infinite energy is not 1-C.

I think ive gotten that point now after reading throgh the higher dimensional existance page but in mr mxys page it is described that he creates several other timelines wouldn't that mean atleast 2-C.

No, it wouldn't mean that because he created these timelines one by one, not at the same time.

 

[Isaacbobanka]

If you transcend a universe in such a way that it becomes a television series for you, then you have R>F. And this argument was rejected when R>F was only +1 and not 1-A.

So i can make a argument that says because it was viewd as netlfix he is transcendant?

Just as 3-D finite/non-infinite energy is not High3-A, 7-D finite/non-infinite energy is not 1-C.

But cannot 7d energy be said atleast above anything infinetly large 6d energy

No, it wouldn't mean that because he created these timelines one by one, not at the same time.

The universe is said 2-B to possibly 2-A is a timeline smaller than a said universe`?

 

[ByArrow]

So i can make a argument that says because it was viewd as netlfix he is transcendant?

You can, but the argument is not strong enough. Because the beigns in the normal universe can disconnect the 5 dimensional beings from the 5th dimension with technology. And it directly removes the argument for transcendence. Because fiction cannot interfere with reality.

And this argument is rejected on the wiki. And when it was rejected the R>F requirements were not so strict.

But cannot 7d energy be said atleast above anything infinetly large 6d energy

It can't be said.

The universe is said 2-B to possibly 2-A is a timeline smaller than a said universe`?

The universe is 2-B, possible 2-A because of the timelines it contains. And a single timeline is the normal Low 2-C structure. And Mxy didn't create universes, he created timelines. And he did not create or destroy these timelines at the same time. He did it all one by one. That's why he only scales to Low 2-C.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

The universe is 2-B, possible 2-A because of the timelines it contains. And a single timeline is the normal Low 2-C structure. And Mxy didn't create universes, he created timelines. And he did not create or destroy these timelines at the same time. He did it all one by one. That's why he only scales to Low 2-C.

Agree.

 

[Isaacbobanka]

You can, but the argument is not strong enough. Because the beigns in the normal universe can disconnect the 5 dimensional beings from the 5th dimension with technology. And it directly removes the argument for transcendence. Because fiction cannot interfere with reality.

And this argument is rejected on the wiki. And when it was rejected the R>F requirements were not so strict.

It can't be said.

The universe is 2-B, possible 2-A because of the timelines it contains. And a single timeline is the normal Low 2-C structure. And Mxy didn't create universes, he created timelines. And he did not create or destroy these timelines at the same time. He did it all one by one. That's why he only scales to Low 2-C.

I see then you seem right about the transcendant part as i haven't completed watching Supergirl yet i won't make a argument for transcendant but i looked through the wiki and it says he stated he could end this earth with the snap of his finger with "world/earth" being described as different universes in Arrowverse could he suggest the enitre universe itself? And it also notes him as "all powerful".

 

[ByArrow]

but i looked through the wiki and it says he stated he could end this earth with the snap of his finger with "world/earth" being described as different universes in Arrowverse could he suggest the enitre universe itself?

Mxy: One snap and I'll crack your world in half. Then where will you go, Kryptonian? I will hound you across the stars, Kara,

Later in the scene, he talks about hunting Supergirl across the stars. So when he says World here, he means the planet, not the universe.

And it also notes him as "all powerful".

This statement alone is not enough. In addition, this statement is not a reliable source since it comes directly from Mxy.

And since the Mxy can warping reality at will without limitations and create and destroy timelines, even if we take this statement at face value, it would yield same tier.

 

[Isaacbobanka]

Later in the scene, he talks about hunting Supergirl across the stars. So when he says World here, he means the planet, not the universe.

This statement alone is not enough. In addition, this statement is not a reliable source since it comes directly from Mxy.

And since the Mxy can warping reality at will without limitations and create and destroy timelines, even if we take this statement at face value, it would yield same tier.

I realised that descusion with Mxy should be taken other place so that the foucs of flash can be retaken and this thread won't be another 3 years

 

[ByArrow]

Update
I'm back on Arrow now for Street Level. And I'm done with season 4. I found 3 new 9-A feats for Street Level and 1 probably subsonic movement speed feat, if not subsonic, at least superhuman and a lot of subsonic reaction feats just in season 4. And I found new haxes and resistances for each character. I'll start season 5 tomorrow.

After Arrow, I'm going to start Legends Of Tomorrow for characters like Street Level and Steel and the cosmology stuff, and then I'll finish Batwoman if I can stand it, and then it'll all be done.

 

[KaramcaS]

This is a 3 Years Old 35 Paged CRT

 

[Hixkaryana]

I’m happy to see this is advancing!

 

[ByArrow]

!!!!Update!!!!
I finished watching Arrow's fifth season and am halfway through the sixth season. So far, I've found a few 9-A and 8-C level feats. I also found layered hax for Black Canary and Oliver. And I found many subsonic and probably a supersonic reaction speed feats.