Some more Itachi additions

[Arcker123]

Kotoamtsukami addition:

Mind Control Negation (In order to counteract the control Kabuto had over him, Itachi cast Kotoamatsukami on himself in order to overwrite the Edo Tensei control, and instead follow his own orders) Chapter 550

Goes for Shisui too I suppose

Itachi range addition

Thousands of Kilometers with Genjutsu (A Genjutsu user of Itachi's caliber would be capable of controlling a person whilst outside of the Allied Shinobi Force's sensory range, which was surveying entire countries) Chapter 540 & Chapter 525

Extrasensory Perception (Itachi can send out his Chakra in all directions within his immediate vicinity, which allows him to sense the presence of everyone around him, as well as the specific techniques and abilities they're utilizing

This should also have info analysis

Agree:

Neutral:

Disagree:

 

[Arcker123]

Bump

 

[Arcker123]

Bump

 

[FinePoint]

So just to clarify, he counters the mind control by mind controlling himself?

Everything else seems fine.

 

[Arcker123]

So just to clarify, he counters the mind control by mind controlling himself?

Pretty much

 

[FinePoint]

Pretty much

It's probably fine then.

 

[Godernet]

The Koto and ESP additions are good.

Are the GJ additions solely for how far away Itachi should be able to maintain control over his GJ? Because you can argue that he can keep control over his GJ across an interdimensional range with Occular GJ as well since fellow 3T/MS user Obito was able to control Kurama, and head to the Kamui dimension before following Minato without breaking control, as well as control Yagura for years in which he likely still used Kamui to travel around the world.

 

[Purgy]

Mind Control Negation (In order to counteract the control Kabuto had over him, Itachi cast Kotoamatsukami on himself in order to overwrite the Edo Tensei control, and instead follow his own orders) Chapter 550

Goes for Shisui too I suppose

While this is technically true, it should be noted that he cannot actually achieve this himself, as the crow with Shishui's eye was given to Naruto and isn't in Itachi's possession.

Sharingan users have never demonstrated the ability to cast visual Genjutsu on themselves to my knowledge, in fact Itachi and Sasuke clearly had to cast it on each other in order to escape Kabuto's Genjutsu, so Shisui would need to transplant his eye into another creature like Itachi did to have this ability, which never happened.

Thousands of Kilometers with Genjutsu (A Genjutsu user of Itachi's caliber would be capable of controlling a person whilst outside of the Allied Shinobi Force's sensory range, which was surveying entire countries) Chapter 540 & Chapter 525

If you're arguing that he can just maintain control over such a distance, then sure, but if you're saying he can put someone under a Genjutsu from it, then no, Genjutsu requires eye contact, Itachi is not doing that from a distance comparable to our moon's diameter, especially when he sees Sasuke as a blur just a dozen feet in front of him.

 

[Godernet]

While this is technically true, it should be noted that he cannot actually achieve this himself, as the crow with Shishui's eye was given to Naruto and isn't in Itachi's possession.

Itachi gave Naruto the crow in the first place, so any Itachi that isn't Kid or Edo would just have it as standard equipment and be capable of using it anyways

granted he could also make a clone and do the same thing

If you're arguing that he can just maintain control over such a distance, then sure, but if you're saying he can put someone under a Genjutsu from it, then no, Genjutsu requires eye contact, Itachi is not doing that from a distance comparable to our moon's diameter, especially when he sees Sasuke as a blur just a dozen feet in front of him.

pretty sure he's just talking about maintaining control, yeah

 

[DavidTPPM]

Kotoamtsukami addition:

Is this actually something Itachi can consciously do on purpose tho? Because this is what he says

The way I always interpreted it was that the crow didn't put Itachi under genjutsu because he made it do so, but because he already set it up to cast a genjutsu to protect Konoha on his own eyes. So rather than Itachi using it to break mind control while under mind control, he just got lucky that he met Naruto who still had the crow coincidentally set up in a way that exactly works in his favor.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Kotoamtsukami addition:

This is fine, I think.

Goes for Shisui too I suppose

Yep.

Itachi range addition

I'm honestly not sure I agree with this one.

The way I always interpreted Ao's statement is that he's simply saying Itachi is skilled enough to erase his presence while manipulating people using Genjutsu, thereby escaping their sensory detection. The ability to escape sensory detection isn't very common, but it is possible to achieve, and a far less experienced Itachi was already shown to be capable of it.

Also contextually, the only way we've been told of or shown someone avoiding the Sensory Unit's detection is via using such techniques, not via them being too far away or something along those lines. (Chapters 524 & 525)

There's also the interdimensional range point, but Net has already made that argument, so I won't get into it. Although, there is actually another notable example in the form of Fu and Torune (Danzo's bodyguards).

So all in all, I personally believe that this is more of a skill thing, rather than a range thing.

This should also have info analysis

It's already mentioned in his Info Analysis section. However, if you wish to separate the Info Analysis achieved via this specific technique, from that he achieves through sheer analysis, I'm cool with that.

Is this actually something Itachi can consciously do on purpose tho? Because this is what he says

The way I always interpreted it was that the crow didn't put Itachi under genjutsu because he made it do so, but because he already set it up to cast a genjutsu to protect Konoha on his own eyes. So rather than Itachi using it to break mind control while under mind control, he just got lucky that he met Naruto who still had the crow coincidentally set up in a way that exactly works in his favor.

You're correct, for this specific instance. This is why Edo Itachi doesn't even have access to Koto in his P&A section.
However, other versions of Itachi do have access to and control over this crow, so he could employ such a strategy in a similar vein to this showing for example.

While this is technically true, it should be noted that he cannot actually achieve this himself, as the crow with Shishui's eye was given to Naruto and isn't in Itachi's possession.

This is only true for Edo Itachi, which is why his P&A section has this line:

All previous abilities, except Kotoamatsukami

Sharingan users have never demonstrated the ability to cast visual Genjutsu on themselves to my knowledge, in fact Itachi and Sasuke clearly had to cast it on each other in order to escape Kabuto's Genjutsu, so Shisui would need to transplant his eye into another creature like Itachi did to have this ability, which never happened.

This is true; however, he can still nullify the control cast on others, which is still worth adding on his profile from an indexing standpoint.

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I'm going to bed now, and I'll be kinda busy for the next few days, so it'll probably be a while before I can reply on this thread. Just want that to be kept in mind, in case I'm needed here again.
Anyway...

 

[Testarossa002]

Sharingan users have never demonstrated the ability to cast visual Genjutsu on themselves to my knowledge, in fact Itachi and Sasuke clearly had to cast it on each other in order to escape Kabuto's Genjutsu, so Shisui would need to transplant his eye into another creature like Itachi did to have this ability, which never happened.

I don't know if that's what you mean but if they're quick on the uptake and the opportunity presents itself, yeah, they can cast genjutsu on themselves.
Sarada used the reflection of an opponent’s sword to cast genjutsu on herself in order to break out of a body puppetry (actually quite similar to ET control mechanics) jutsu
And that was with a 1 tomoe sharingan

 

[Arcker123]

If you're arguing that he can just maintain control over such a distance, then sure, but if you're saying he can put someone under a Genjutsu from it, then no, Genjutsu requires eye contact, Itachi is not doing that from a distance comparable to our moon's diameter, especially when he sees Sasuke as a blur just a dozen feet in front of him.

I am arguing the former yes.

 

[DavidTPPM]

You're correct, for this specific instance. This is why Edo Itachi doesn't even have access to Koto in his P&A section.
However, other versions of Itachi do have access to and control over this crow, so he could employ such a strategy in a similar vein to this showing for example.

Alrighty then, but the addition should then probably specify it's limitations in the sense that, he can only use the crow if he has some control over his thoughts himself.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Alrighty then, but the addition should then probably specify it's limitations in the sense that, he can only use the crow if he has some control over his thoughts himself.

Naturally, yes.

 

[Arcker123]

Alrighty then, but the addition should then probably specify it's limitations in the sense that, he can only use the crow if he has some control over his thoughts himself.

Itachi can preprogram the crow to react to his Sharingan for any reason, even before he gets hit with mind manip that completely controls him. This revision is more so for the idea that being put in Koto should overwrite any control you are under, regardless of how easy it would be for Itachi to manually do this.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Itachi can preprogram the crow to react to his Sharingan for any reason, even before he gets hit with mind manip that completely controls him. This revision is more so for the idea that being put in Koto should overwrite any control you are under, regardless of how easy it would be for Itachi to manually do this.

Yeah all I was saying was that Itachi needs to prepare the crow before he gets mind controlled. So actually pulling it off in a fight without prep time would be nearly impossible

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

nearly impossible

Idk about that, it just depends on the mechanics and potency of the control he's under.
For example, body puppetry style control would be easy pickings for this technique. Control that affects his actions/movements, but not necessarily his mind/consciousness would also be fair game.
It's somewhat situational, but not insanely niche or irrelevant imo.

 

[KingTempest]

Specify with the bird that the bird needs to find its way back to him though for it to happen. Maybe in weaknesses
Specify that that's the genjutsu link and not the genjutsu. He can keep his illusion going for thousands of kms but he can't go and put someone in an illusion thousand of kms away.
The rest is cool.

 

[KingTempest]

Update: The interdimensional genjutsu range looks fine

 

[Arcker123]

Specify with the bird that the bird needs to find its way back to him though for it to happen. Maybe in weaknesses

In any key Itachi has with the Koto crow, he can just shit it out via summoning jutsu like any of his other crows.

Specify that that's the genjutsu link and not the genjutsu. He can keep his illusion going for thousands of kms but he can't go and put someone in an illusion thousand of kms away.

I think the profile rn makes that clear.

Update: The interdimensional genjutsu range looks fine

I don't think it does for Itachi, as the statement does say that while he can control outside of the sensory range, he can't due it at the Zetsu armies range.