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The Elder Scrolls General Discussion Thread

Imaginym said:
I can sort of believe this, but, source, please?
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For speed and general superhuman stuff they do it’s just all over the series and games. Even across legends art where Nords and redguards straight up matrix arrows. Or seemingly average adventurer/soldiers keeping up with wamasu which shoot lightning. You also have low ranking imperial dudes climbing up a snowy mountain with minimal winter equipment as they carry thousands of pounds worth of items. You also have soldiers moving like DMC characters against other creatures. Ansei warriors have been said to be able to space their sword swings microseconds apart

The Fingers-Knife serves as five, protecting your cardinal points and your central theory; five thrusts, spaced microseconds apart, like tapping the desk bored, waiting for morning bread.
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Sword meeting with Vivec

There’s also the Lord of Souls novel that speaks of the whole giving an army the ability to fly with a spell:

"Emperor Mede could not be convinced to evacuate the Imperial City, and instead chose to send general Takar with a legion to strike at Umbriel. "The Synod managed to spell almost three thousand of them airborne, but some sort of flying daedra killed them all in short order. Other magicks were tried-I 'm told over a hundred-with no result. As if they knew in advance what we were going to do and were prepared for it.""
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At 18:27Mages can call down lighting from the skies which isn’t exclusive but very common. Mages can also ride the lightning to their destination.

A wizard can cast a bolt to a nearby target and then instantly “ride the lightning” to that destination.
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Source.

More instances of warriors battling Wamasu who shoot lightning:

I smelled burning hair as I staggered up the riverbank. The wamasu wasted little time, trotting back before charging forward, leaping off the ground in a surprising display of dexterity, and loosening the slope I stood on when it landed. I fell back, tumbled into the river with my axe and dignity lost. I found the wamasu again, as I quickly stood and caught Roggvir’s second-finest hammer, thrown from the onlookers I’d requested not to aid me. A prideful order I was beginning to regret. Steam (or was it smoke?) escaped the monster’s orifices, as it crackled, sending arcs of shocking discharge out from its feet, and charging its tail in bright energy. It let out an impressive growl, and then met me in the mire, clawing at the ground before me, as a massive explosion of light shot out from the wamasu. Had this old fool been set ablaze and sent to Sovngarde? No—I tasted something like sulfur, and the Argonian’s ring was pulsing with energy. Leaping back, I narrowly missed a barbed tail and yet another strike of lightning.
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The imperials can bend time and possibility with certain magic or technology as their peak:

I have been given a lavish budget to stop Sura-hoon and I will not hesitate to use it. Bend time and get to a possipoint close enough to when it happened. Send out a message on all aetherial frequencies, even the deprecated ones. Someone will listen; everything can be negotiated. If you catch a void-fibril, tell the Hist Cyrus is on the loose again.
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Another mage gave his battalion the ability to walk and breathe underwater.So yeah. There’s much more
 
FinePoint said:
I stopped debating the Elder Scrolls here when it was decided that Farkas only fights giants by dodging their attacks.
Still salty about that one.
That doofus couldn't dodge a mudcrab.
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That's kinda funny especially since characters fight giants in eso.
 
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Yeah completely ignoring the high tiers, I hate that the low tiers are downplayed into the dirt. I remember when I was told no one outside of high 6-A was massively hypersonic+ by ultima and Matt and the soldiers that dodged arrows made up 0.0001% of the empire and all the wall level and subsonic feats in legends only apply to those particular guys and everyone else is a 10-B normal human. So glad the low tiers are finally getting love.
 
If we find feats for the low tiers I hope we can upgrade the first game’s protagonist with the being better than 99% of the empire. So far we count only what happened in arena and say the rest of the games don’t count due to retcons but that is super silly to me.
 
I want a Slaughterfish page to use against other aquatic creatures but I have no idea what they would consistently scale to. I know they have lore about easily killing people but aside from that not much else.
 
I remember one daedra kicked down a pretty big stone structure, that was suppose to scale to most of them for them to be tier 9-A to 8-C. I know the storm atronach in legends had a card of them being the size of ships along with dwarf centurions being huge. Both would be good lifting strength feats for the mid tiers
 
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Storm atronach’s can make lightning I wonder if that would scale to the rest of the atronach and high tier generic Daedra that aren’t like 6-B for that one random but powerful Daedra threatening to destroy a country in online
For support for 8-C there is a statement of Daedra destroying castles and they destroyed homes in oblivion
 
Also hate to post too much in a row but can we talk about how rats and mudcrabs have consistently have 9-B feats for the last three games and yet the average citizen wasn’t allowed to scale to them. In Morrowind both rats and mud crabs make human sized wholes in the ground, in oblivion rats break down a wall at the start of the game, finally in Skyrim mud crabs can dig themselves into rock to rest and skeevers dug themselves through rock to infest a brewery. I was told literally nobody scale to this despite: Oblivion has a quest were new fighter’s guild recruits are told to kill rats, it turns out the rats are being eaten by mountain lions, a generic town hunter can assist you in killing an entire pack of these mountain lions (ie nearly every predatory animal scales to rats, they eat them), and mud crabs and rats are consistently referred to as common pest like they are real world rats and crabs. People even use mud crabs as an example of a weak as crap animal for common insults throughout different countries, time periods, and games.

So from what I know so far, but I want to find more feats.

Baseline human should 9-B in the elder scrolls scaling to rats, or at least anyone worth literally anything that fights. There is a bunch of 9-B feats to support this for generic soldiers but the rat feat in Morrowind I believe is higher than all the others. Some soldiers are likely 9-A as there is a legends card of one blocking fireball with the weakest mages having dozens of statements of the weakest spells flash vaporizing themselves on accident (most mages should physically be lower than their spells, I need to clarify this, but thankfully legends shows wards can block physical attacks). Daedra would vary from 9-B to 9-A for the giant’s recalculated feat but that and the Daedra kicking the structure I heard can be 8-C. Strong Daedra like the ones you encounter during the oblivion end game, level wise end game, would be 8-C scaling to Storm atronach’s. They maybe higher though depending on if the big storm atronach’s size would be higher for ap. Though maybe those high tier Daedra can be 8-B for passwall.
 
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I just want to point out that Skeevers (Giant Rats), Mudcrabs and even ******* Frostbite Spiders are considered low tier enough to be tamed as pets that are safe enough to be around literal children since your child can randomly adopt one of these out of the blue.
 
Ooh, I remember that feature now. That mudcrab plays the idle too of burying themselves into the earth too, so yeah even the random kids have a 9-C+ to 9-B feat (I forget if there mudcrab is smaller or not)
 
Keeweed said:
Ooh, I remember that feature now. That mudcrab plays the idle too of burying themselves into the earth too, so yeah even the random kids have a 9-C+ to 9-B feat (I forget if there mudcrab is smaller or not)
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Pincer

Pincer is a pet mudcrab. If the Dragonborn has adopted a male child, the child may come home with Pincer and ask if he can keep it. If the Dragonborn allows this, Pincer will follow the child around the house and will stay in the bedroom if the child leaves the house. The child who owns Pincer...
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I think he’s large enough that making enough room in the rock for himself would be 9-B then. Thankfully it’s such a minor support feat we wouldn’t need anyone to calc it, but yeah children even mess around with those guys. I remember frost spiders specifically being used as an example of how low tier wildlife kills everyone (because to be fair their lairs do catch a lot of bodies, but that should say alot about them really) and here is a kid just catching one lol.
 
Keeweed said:
I think he’s large enough that making enough room in the rock for himself would be 9-B then. Thankfully it’s such a minor support feat we wouldn’t need anyone to calc it, but yeah children even mess around with those guys. I remember frost spiders specifically being used as an example of how low tier wildlife kills everyone (because to be fair their lairs do catch a lot of bodies, but that should say alot about them really) and here is a kid just catching one lol.
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Dude, the wildlife in Skyrim is crazy. Do you remember that one Wolf den that managed to successfully kill a Mammoth and fight the Giant guarding it right afterwards?
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Dude, the wildlife in Skyrim is crazy. Do you remember that one Wolf den that managed to successfully kill a Mammoth and fight the Giant guarding it right afterwards?
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I’ll need to remember where that happened later. In the meantime I am reading up on magic in the elder scrolls, I found something interesting that says lighting cloak would have attack reflection “The mage can cloak himself in an aura of lightning that will turn aside certain physical and magical attacks, as well as shocking nearby enemies.”
I’m so curious if all shock spells would be 8-C at base since they are stated to be the same as cloud to ground lightning. Especially since Finger of the Mountain, an actual cloud to ground lightning strike, can be a novice tiered spell.

Edit: apparently a generic truly low tier mage froze a Dwemer centurion solid, nice.
 
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Time to support the 1-A+ oblivion agenda some more. Mundus and Oblivion and built on top of endlessly layered metaphors that have an increasingly complex and indescribable realities or layers. Oblivion having Layers within layers and infinites within infinities and realms within realms is nothing new. In my Cosmology Rambling I go more in detail (see subgradients and the oblivion section) in short, any gradient of the cosmology can have infinite layers within it but still be a part of the same emanated reality or gradient. So, the Clockwork city, which is rated as High 1-B currently is rated that way for mirroring Mundus and having infinite layers. Each gradient is essentially a mini aurbis in of itself with its own distinct nature with these realities being identical, just not in terms of scale (emanations)

That all the Interplay is one flea of assertion on a wolf of naught, and that every experience (that is, everything) born from that primal wail would cascade unto the echo-need of hologram, each slice the same except for scale
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https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/General:Et'Ada,_Eight_Aedra,_Eat_the_Dreamer

In apocryph, we have infinite libraries, with those libraries being infinite in size and scope and infinite sized pocket realms like the infinite panopticon and the endless archives which contain multiple infinities and being multidimensional (containing multiple realms), yet still apart of the greater fabric of apocrypha.
 
Boethiah’s abolisher can access the many paths which are (im)possible worlds and various Aurbises, probabilities, possibilities, impossibilities, fates taking a different course, and etc. The artifact is powerful enough to destroy the Loom of the Untraveled Road. Ithelia was making potentialities and futures die out. She was also destroying Apocrypha casually during her second crash out. As mentioned a while ago, she destroyed the Aurbis in another reality/path when she had a tantrum. Then, Mephala’s artifact Is an ever-changing map that leads you to your desires. I should also mention that you need the mirror of truth and another artifact to even face Ithelia who may or may not be at full power. So the Vestige definitely won’t scale to her. Azura has an artifact that can see the many paths.
 
I wonder if it would be okay to make a thread on gather feats for and discussing on the low tiers. Given the sheer difference between them and the high tiers. Like any god or significant main character is pretty much fully unusable on this site so having some of the other iconic characters or like some of the factions would be great.
 
Keeweed said:
I wonder if it would be okay to make a thread on gather feats for and discussing on the low tiers. Given the sheer difference between them and the high tiers. Like any god or significant main character is pretty much fully unusable on this site so having some of the other iconic characters or like some of the factions would be great.
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I’d be down for it tbh. I’m always looking to expand my understanding of the lower tiers.
 
Where do the Keepers scale? Those big undead guys you have to kill rocking Dragonbone equipment in the Soul Cairn.
 
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