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Chainsaw Man discussion thread

Morality is subjective in this chapter, but actions still have consequences. I wonder what options Denji will have to choose from, maybe he'll choose both again this time.

Anyway, it's nice to see that Yoru has some good durability, though sadly low LS.
 
hmmm
even if he never used them, feel like the picture should be him with his chainsaws
just doesn't feel right to have his anchor arms as his main pic
 
DrGreyman said:
hmmm
even if he never used them, feel like the picture should be him with his chainsaws
just doesn't feel right to have his anchor arms as his main pic
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For site rules it doesn't really matter, as long as it's a full-body picture of the character and it's clearly visible, it works. This is probably the best full-body fake CSM render available. All that needs to be done is to make it explicit that he usually has his chainsaws, which is shown in the profile.
 
I felt like having some fun after a recent JJK v. CSM Matchup with my own (i had planned this for months and got sidetracked due to school which'll no longer be a problem thanks to me graduating last saturday). It shouldn't get cooked from the upcoming CSM Speed CRT...I hope.
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Prince of the Black Sparks vs War Fiend (Yuji vs Yoru Rematch)

No CE Yuji and Pre-Fear Boost Yoru had a match up once upon a time but it got removed long ago since their scaling had been reworked so I'm bringing it back. Lets get it and, based on people's feelings, I'll likely do a rematch later on with Post fear boost Yoru and Culling games Yuji (once Both...
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GunshyFever said:
I'm pretty sure it holds the record for the most voted thread by a large margin. The last one had 30 votes iirc.

Edit: the thread closed 12 hours ago and it's still the most trending thread.
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Ik this is a bit selfish of me but what was Gojo win cons in this one and how was it different from past Makima vs Gojo. The sheer length of the whole thing just drain all my motivation to read it
 
Bruh said:
Ik this is a bit selfish of me but what was Gojo win cons in this one and how was it different from past Makima vs Gojo. The sheer length of the whole thing just drain all my motivation to read it
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I forgot the wincons
but the difference that I remember is

I'm pretty sure
Makima was given knowledge of Gojo's Status so she wouldn't just control him
and Makima's Mid-High Resurrection was Restricted which let's Gojo use Blue, Red or Hollow purple to kill her
 
Ms.Luzifer said:
I'm pretty sure
Makima was given knowledge of Gojo's Status so she wouldn't just control him
and Makima's Mid-High Resurrection was Restricted which let's Gojo use Blue, Red or Hollow purple to kill her
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What happened to her superior reactions, hax like mold and Halloween or Bio Manip ?
 
Bruh said:
What happened to her superior reactions, hax like mold and Halloween or Bio Manip ?
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It was assumed that it wouldn’t help because Gojo’s attacks were invisible. However, we also failed to consider that the battle actually started 4 km away. Instead, we debated as if both characters began the fight up close, which discredits Gojo’s victory.
 
GunshyFever said:
It was assumed that it wouldn’t help because Gojo’s attacks were invisible. However, we also failed to consider that the battle actually started 4 km away. Instead, we debated as if both characters began the fight up close, which discredits Gojo’s victory.
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Just so im not mistaken, Makima lost right ?
 
GunshyFever said:
It was assumed that it wouldn’t help because Gojo’s attacks were invisible. However, we also failed to consider that the battle actually started 4 km away. Instead, we debated as if both characters began the fight up close, which discredits Gojo’s victory
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I really don't see any win for Satoru, they are just trying to vote while they don't understand the situation
 
GodEarh206 said:
I really don't see any win for Satoru, they are just trying to vote while they don't understand the situation
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We understood perfectly.
We just wanted Makima to lose
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After thinking about this match up for over a year now, I have made a match-up for Aging that (hopefully) isn't super one-sided or a stomp match. Let's see how this goes
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The Oldest Man vs. The Embodiment of Old (Adam (Hazbin hotel) vs the Aging Devil) (7-2-0) (Grace)

I've been thinking long and hard on how to give these Primordial, Eldritch devils a match-up on this site that wasn't super one-sided, especially for Aging, and came up with this. Yeah. Anyways, enjoy my mind at work Aging Devil Vs. Adam (Hazbin Hotel), equalized speed and Both are in-character...
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i really don't think he's a hybrid or a fiend
the fire devil never merged with him, we know that because the fire devil appeared after he died, and he could die in the first place so we know he isn't a hybrid. hybrids are truly immortal
he's just a human with a contract that changed his shape
 
DrGreyman said:
i really don't think he's a hybrid or a fiend
the fire devil never merged with him, we know that because the fire devil appeared after he died, and he could die in the first place so we know he isn't a hybrid. hybrids are truly immortal
he's just a human with a contract that changed his shape
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Yeah, so he'd practically be a Devil contractee, similar to Yuko.
 
GunshyFever said:
Here's mine.
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Generally sensing that all is well with the profile in everyone else's eyes (I'm surprised no one wanted to discuss the speed rating), but we move. I'm done with all my nitpicks, and I'll probably make this the profile by tomorrow, judging by the fact that everyone seems to be okay with it. Knowing you @ElajRuengies, I know you're probably not pleased with it, because it kinda just flips over the speed scaling chain we had thought out. But thankfully, not many new characters scale to it, probably only Quanxi, Makima, Santa and all of Pochita's versions, so we've got a whole bunch of upscaling going on. Speed feats come in by the day. Hopefully we can get one which gives us back our distinction.
 
GunshyFever said:
Generally sensing that all is well with the profile in everyone else's eyes (I'm surprised no one wanted to discuss the speed rating), but we move. I'm done with all my nitpicks, and I'll probably make this the profile by tomorrow, judging by the fact that everyone seems to be okay with it. Knowing you @ElajRuengies, I know you're probably not pleased with it, because it kinda just flips over the speed scaling chain we had thought out. But thankfully, not many new characters scale to it, probably only Quanxi, Makima, Santa and all of Pochita's versions, so we've got a whole bunch of upscaling going on. Speed feats come in by the day. Hopefully we can get one which gives us back our distinction.
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I'm absolutely not pleased now that I've gotten around to actually looking at it- there's no universe where Makima getting hit by a bullet that's 4x slower than her (20% Firing Speed vs. Bang Speed) from nearly 500 kilometers away makes sense.

Imagine not being able to dodge a crawling baby you saw coming at you from a literal mile away.

The Bang Yoru used against Firesaw simply being slower and weaker would cause less headaches.
 
GunshyFever said:
Generally sensing that all is well with the profile in everyone else's eyes (I'm surprised no one wanted to discuss the speed rating), but we move. I'm done with all my nitpicks, and I'll probably make this the profile by tomorrow, judging by the fact that everyone seems to be okay with it. Knowing you @ElajRuengies, I know you're probably not pleased with it, because it kinda just flips over the speed scaling chain we had thought out. But thankfully, not many new characters scale to it, probably only Quanxi, Makima, Santa and all of Pochita's versions, so we've got a whole bunch of upscaling going on. Speed feats come in by the day. Hopefully we can get one which gives us back our distinction.
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I was literally thinking about discussing it since I thought it was strange (Although not necessary...bad, I guess).
Like, sure, I know it was Weakened, low blood P2 Pochita intercepted yoru's bang and possibly reacted to the Gun goddess bullet, but Post-Fear boost Denji, the guy stated weaker than quanxi who has some scaling to Makima, dodging attacks from an amped Fakesaw man is still insane.
Fujimoto gotta be cooking the craziest Part 1 speed upscaling or something 💀
 
Like, ElaR said, i personally feel yoru's bang being slower makes sense but we know nothing and I'm not sure we have anything to scale it to as far as I'm aware
 
ElajRuengies said:
I'm absolutely not pleased now that I've gotten around to actually looking at it- there's no universe where Makima getting hit by a bullet that's 4x slower than her (20% Firing Speed vs. Bang Speed) from nearly 500 kilometers away makes sense.

Imagine not being able to dodge a crawling baby you saw coming at you from a literal mile away.
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Less about Makima actually getting hit, more about Makima not caring (she straight up explains why she doesn't care about them, not even including the fact that she already knew how the Gun Devil operated, and cooked up a strat to defeat him on the fly). In fact, I can't really imagine Makima dodging bullets in character, especially throughout all of Part 1, Nah.
ElajRuengies said:
The Bang Yoru used against Firesaw simply being slower and weaker would cause less headaches.
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We need to prove that it's actually weaker. We have no real proof that she can actually weaken the output, let alone the speed of her shots. And even if your argument worked (it doesn’t), Yoru has used this ability 3 separate times on Fake Chainsaw Man.

Initially, it was just target practice. The second time, she was literally baiting him, and he still managed to react. But let’s just say all those prior scenes were just her goofing off, somehow slowing down her bullet speed (which again, she can't, you can't change the speed of a bullet).

Then when she gets serious because she was tired, cold and wanting to go home, she gets pissed at Fake Chainsaw Man and tells him to just die. This is her actually being serious. And yet, he still manages to react to her shot without any difficulty.

No matter how you look at it, Fake Chainsaw Man still ends up scaling above Yoru’s gun gauntlet. At this point, it’s a narrative thing we can’t just sweep under the rug, he’s just that fast and that’s clearly how Fujimoto wants us to see him.
Anonymous_Learner said:
I was literally thinking about discussing it since I thought it was strange (Although not necessary...bad, I guess).
Like, sure, I know it was Weakened, low blood P2 Pochita intercepted yoru's bang and possibly reacted to the Gun goddess bullet, but Post-Fear boost Denji, the guy stated weaker than quanxi who has some scaling to Makima, dodging attacks from an amped Fakesaw man is still insane.
Fujimoto gotta be cooking the craziest Part 1 speed upscaling or something 💀
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Anonymous_Learner said:
Like, ElaR said, i personally feel yoru's bang being slower makes sense but we know nothing and I'm not sure we have anything to scale it to as far as I'm aware
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Glad I brought this up then

But, in all logistics it just doesnt make any sense. This is something we can't just ignore or use sweep under the rug mentality with.
 
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ElajRuengies said:
The Bang Yoru used against Firesaw simply being slower and weaker would cause less headaches.
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Don't worry, it's mainly just 2 new characters scaling to it. All it really does is make the scaling look messy compared to the beautifully well-crafted one we were building up. Sucks, but it is what it is. At least we have Sub-Rel to distinguish against Primals.
 
I just realized that Post-Fear Boost Yoru is downscaling high hypersonic+ due to fighting Quanxi. Quanxi is stronger than Fear boost Denji, who's faster than someone who intercepts bang casually. Quanxi fears Makima. Yoru downscales Bang and Makima does to a higher extent
God, I just LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE how Fujimoto scales things.
 
Anonymous_Learner said:
I just realized that Post-Fear Boost Yoru is downscaling high hypersonic+ due to fighting Quanxi. Quanxi is stronger than Fear boost Denji, who's faster than someone who intercepts bang casually. Quanxi fears Makima. Yoru downscales Bang and Makima does to a higher extent
God, I just LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE how Fujimoto scales things.
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No, you can’t try to proportionate old scaling with new scaling, that’s like saying an MHS+ feat is invalid just because a character faster than him was also considered High Hypersonic back then. That doesn’t make any sense.

The scaling chain is simple:
  • Fake Chainsaw Man parries Bang (speed floor)
  • Denji is equal in speed to or faster than Fake Chainsaw Man
  • Quanxi is faster than Denji
  • Current Yoru’s perception speed scales to MHS+ due to Pochita, though her raw combat speed would still remain at High Hypersonic for blitzing Yoshida but being slower than Quanxi. (Yoru's momentary combat speed cap)
  • Transformed Quanxi is faster than regular Quanxi
  • Transformed Quanxi gets outsped by weakened Pochita and Santa Claus
  • Weakened Pochita is slower than a serious Makima.
In other terms:
  1. Makima (serious)
  2. Weakened Pochita ≈ Santa Claus
  3. Transformed Quanxi
  4. Quanxi (base)
  5. Denji >= Fake Chainsaw Man > Bang
  6. Yoru (combat speed)
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That’s all. It’s nothing too difficult to think about, as I’ve said.
 
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GunshyFever said:
No, you can’t try to proportionate old scaling with new scaling, that’s like saying an MHS+ feat is invalid just because a character faster than him was also considered High Hypersonic back then. That doesn’t make any sense.

The scaling chain is simple:
  • Fake Chainsaw Man parries Bang (speed floor)
  • Denji is equal in speed to or faster than Fake Chainsaw Man
  • Quanxi is faster than Denji
  • Current Yoru’s perception speed scales to MHS+ due to Pochita, though her raw combat speed would still remain at High Hypersonic for blitzing Yoshida but being slower than Quanxi. (Yoru's momentary combat speed cap)
  • Transformed Quanxi is faster than regular Quanxi
  • Transformed Quanxi gets outsped by weakened Pochita and Santa Claus
  • Weakened Pochita is slower than a serious Makima.
In other terms:

That’s all. It’s nothing too difficult to think about, as I’ve said.
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If this is the scaling chain then how does Yoshida scale to High hypersonic + to begin with when Quanxi now scale to MHS+
 
Bruh said:
If this is the scaling chain then how does Yoshida scale to High hypersonic + to begin with when Quanxi now scale to MHS+
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Because Yoshida will not be scaling to Quanxi. We established this after Yoru blitzed Yoshida, and then Quanxi went on to blitz Yoru. This goes to show that Quanxi was holding back in their fight, which was already obvious.
 
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