Hashiras vs Garou (1-2-0)

[Recon1511]

I do need to remind everyone that this battle is more likely to incap and not death given the characterization of everyone here so really no need to bloodlust anyone...

 

[Kachon123]

About this. In the hashiras team profiles, it includes Yushiro’s blindfolds

Team Resources/Abilities: Kasugai Crows, Anti-Demon Explosives, Scarlet Iron Weaponry, Anti-Kibutsuji Drug, Yushiro's Blindfolds

A CRT got accepted where one of them is that they can resist being sensed through malice and bloodlust through Yushiro’s blindfolds. If they have access to that here (I’m not sure how it works for team fights), then that might be a problem.

They have to put them on.

 

[Kachon123]

HELL YEAH

 

[Catbowtie]

Garou can sense bloodlust. As well as predict attacks well in advance. He'd simply mess up their footing and take the dangerous ones out with ranged pressure point targeting.

Kachon do you realize what being Speed Blitzed entails?

Demon Slayer Mark is thought-based. As soon as they activate it, that’s it. They’re moving far faster than what Garou can reasonably react to or move to counter. In both cases you’ve posted, Garou would have to use his own combat speed to counter the Hashira, which isn’t happening because the Pillars I mentioned are Speed Blitzing.

Also Garou perceiving bloodlust and predicting attacks in advance doesn’t matter when the Hashira Speed Blitz. I’m sure we’ve both seen this argument before, but to Garou, the Hashira are living bullets. If Garou tries to preemptively move his body to dodge, the Pillars will simply adjust their trajectory with far faster speeds and hit Garou anyways.

 

[Catbowtie]

I do need to remind everyone that this battle is more likely to incap and not death given the characterization of everyone here so really no need to bloodlust anyone...

I’ve been meaning to get confirmation: Does Garou kill in-character in versus matches?

 

[Kachon123]

Also Garou perceiving bloodlust and predicting attacks in advance doesn’t matter when the Hashira Speed Blitz. I’m sure we’ve both seen this argument before, but to Garou, the Hashira are living bullets. If Garou tries to preemptively move his body to dodge, the Pillars will simply adjust their trajectory with far faster speeds and hit Garou anyways.

Lol what? The only way to counter a speed blitz is by predicting it, why wouldn't it matter? It's literally the one thing that matters here.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Kachon do you realize what being Speed Blitzed entails?

Demon Slayer Mark is thought-based. As soon as they activate it, that’s it. They’re moving far faster than what Garou can reasonably react to or move to counter. In both cases you’ve posted, Garou would have to use his own combat speed to counter the Hashira, which isn’t happening because the Pillars I mentioned are Speed Blitzing.

Also Garou perceiving bloodlust and predicting attacks in advance doesn’t matter when the Hashira Speed Blitz. I’m sure we’ve both seen this argument before, but to Garou, the Hashira are living bullets. If Garou tries to preemptively move his body to dodge, the Pillars will simply adjust their trajectory with far faster speeds and hit Garou anyways.

Bro just make the Akaza Vs Garou rematch instead of this fight

 

[Kachon123]

Bro just make the Akaza Vs Garou rematch instead of this fight

Garou already won.

 

[Catbowtie]

Garou already won.

Yea because I busted out the versus match too early and we don’t have 10x multiplier for DSM

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Garou already won.

That was when Akaza was at 5.8 kilotons. Akaza is now at 117 kilotons and massively upscale his value from it.

Yea because I busted out the versus match too early and we don’t have 10x multiplier for DSM

Yeah good luck trying to get a demon slayer mark multiplier accepted in this site bro

 

[Arkansalter2]

**** it put the hashiras against John EBG.
(Don't do that I lied I can't defend John EBG there.)

 

[Tuxidoe_Redo]

Garou fra

 

[Catbowtie]

Voting on a mismatch is crazy

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Garou fra

(Mismatch) Hashira FRA

 

[Tuxidoe_Redo]

Kachon already put out his argument and nobody counters it

Lol what? The only way to counter a speed blitz is by predicting it, why wouldn't it matter? It's literally the one thing that matters here.

 

[Tuxidoe_Redo]

Also Garou can grow faster with reactive evolution

higher with Reactive Evolution (Grew faster throughout the course of his fight with Royal Ripper and Bug God to the point to were he believed that they would be unable to land a single hit on him)

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

If they can somehow decapitate him off-rip, that'd be a feasible wincon. However that'd require their best blitz amps which I doubt they'd start with.

@Tuxidoe_Redo he also said this. The op structured this fight so that the hashiras start at 117 kilotons. 8 of the hashiras are Large town Level in base. 6 of them now have access to a blitz amp and 3 of them have a second blitz amp and even a third one depending on breathing styles. It is in character for the hashiras to blitz and decapitate their opponents frame 1.

 

[Tuxidoe_Redo]

Garou is 3x stronger lol

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Garou is 3x stronger lol

1. Doesn’t matter, they’re using swords.
2. They massively upscale 117 kilotons from Upper Moon 4 in base.

 

[Tuxidoe_Redo]

They only have the value cause of using swords. Garou can just instinctly predict like what Kachon said

 

[Kachon123]

1. Doesn’t matter, they’re using swords.
2. They massively upscale 117 kilotons from Upper Moon 4 in base.

Garou also upscales a great deal from his value. He grew over 2x when slightly pressed in a 2v1 so I'm willing to bet that this 3x gap would become more like 6x after the first couple assaults.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

They only have the value cause of using swords. Garou can just instinctly predict like what Kachon said

Is that supposed to discredit them because they’re swordsmans. I don’t get where you’re going with that.

Also they’ve already fought against this

• Instinctive Reaction (Superior in reflexes and skill to Kyojuro, Mitsuri, Sanemi, and Giyu who can react instinctively)
• Perception Amplification, Information Analysis, Greater Enhanced Senses (Enhanced Sight), Analytical Prediction & Limited Precognition (Transparent World makes his perception of time slow down and allows the user to directly see his opponent's muscles, blood flow and movements which allows them to predict their next moves. Was able to tell that Muichiro was his descendant and Genya ate demons)

• Instinctive Reaction (Superior to Kyojuro, Mitsuri, Sanemi, and Giyu who can react instinctively)
  • Weakness Detection, Strength Perception, Precognition, Reactive Power Level, Enhanced Instinctive Reaction, Enhanced Awareness & Enhanced Accuracy with Compass Needle (Compass Needle allows him to accurately sense a person's Battle Spirit, allowing him to predict their movements, discern their location in his surroundings (even from his blind-spots), and find and instinctively aim for their weak points and vitals with such high accuracy that his attacks are described as "being attracted by magnets" and "clinging" to his opponents. Can tell someone's strength just by looking at them, was able to discern that Kyojuro was a Hashira at a glance. Can instinctively respond to attacks with an appropriate counter, was stated by Giyu to learn to anticipate his every move and strike back with equal accuracy as the fight went on. He can effectively fight and discern his surroundings and track his opponents without a head (deaf and blind) solely through detecting Battle Spirit)

Garou also upscales a great deal from his value. He grew over 2x when slightly pressed in a 2v1 so I'm willing to bet that this 3x gap would become more like 6x after the first couple assaults.

117 kilotons is also a low ball value because the emotion clones and tanjiro already long surpassed the 29 kilotons value that the 4X multiplier for zohakuten is even multiplying. The fight ends in the first blitz decapitation which is in character for them to do.

 

[Kachon123]

117 kilotons is also a low ball value because the emotion clones and tanjiro already long surpassed the 29 kilotons value that the 4X multiplier for zohakuten is even multiplying. The fight ends in the first blitz decapitation which is in character for them to do.

Except it doesn't because Garou has Awakening Breath as well as good enough senses and elite predictive abilities.

Garou's value itself is a lowball as well so no matter how much you want to argue this point, Garou's superior stats definitely do play a role here. An important one.

 

[Catbowtie]

Lol what? The only way to counter a speed blitz is by predicting it, why wouldn't it matter? It's literally the one thing that matters here.

One of the few ways to get around being out-skilled by someone is to blitz them. We saw this with the Orochi vs Deku fight.

Say, for example, Garou uses his ultra super goated Analytical Prediction to predict that Sanemi will strike at Garou's neck by reading the flow of energy in Sanemi's body, and let's also be more generous by saying Garou can quickly find a way to protect his neck, by covering it, or through whatever means.

This does not do anything.

Sanemi, once he uses the Demon Slayer Mark, out-class Garou in all measures of speed. From Sanemi's perspective, Garou will permanently be a literal statue.

Your argument that Garou would dodge the Pillars by prediction when they are Speed Blitzing him would only work if either of the following things were true:

• The Demon Slayer Mark only affords the Pillars a short burst in speed
• Pillars with the Demon Slayer Mark could only move in a straight line, like how Regulus' does.

Garou predicting that the Hashira will try to hit him, no matter how accurate or precise it is, fundamentally does not mean anything when Garou cannot do anything to dodge the attack, because he is getting Speed Blitzed. This is also not mentioning Garou doesn't have a way of knowing that the Hashira can blitz him.

Also Garou can grow faster with reactive evolution

higher with Reactive Evolution (Grew faster throughout the course of his fight with Royal Ripper and Bug God to the point to were he believed that they would be unable to land a single hit on him)

The difference between here and there is that Garou had time to get faster with Reactive Evolution, while with the Hashira, Garou's Reactive Evolution is far too slow to grant Garou the speed necessary to be equal to the Demon Slayer Mark. In this fight, Garou's reactive evolution would have to grant him a massive surge in speed in such little time that it would have to work nigh-instantly. And congratulations, now you've argued that Garou Stomps with RE.

 

[Catbowtie]

Johner, why are you counting votes as if this wasn't a Mismatch?

 

[Kachon123]

One of the few ways to get around being out-skilled by someone is to blitz them. We saw this with the Orochi vs Deku fight.

Say, for example, Garou uses his ultra super goated Analytical Prediction to predict that Sanemi will strike at Garou's neck by reading the flow of energy in Sanemi's body, and let's also be more generous by saying Garou can quickly find a way to protect his neck, by covering it, or through whatever means.

This does not do anything.

Sanemi, once he uses the Demon Slayer Mark, out-class Garou in all measures of speed. From Sanemi's perspective, Garou will permanently be a literal statue.

Your argument that Garou would dodge the Pillars by prediction when they are Speed Blitzing him would only work if either of the following things were true:

• The Demon Slayer Mark only affords the Pillars a short burst in speed
• Pillars with the Demon Slayer Mark could only move in a straight line, like how Regulus' does.

Garou predicting that the Hashira will try to hit him, no matter how accurate or precise it is, fundamentally does not mean anything when Garou cannot do anything to dodge the attack, because he is getting Speed Blitzed. This is also not mentioning Garou doesn't have a way of knowing that the Hashira can blitz him.

I hope you realize Garou has AD. Garou has his own perception amp with Awakening Breath so while Garou will be moving in slow motion, his eyes will be able to track and his reactions (including instinctive) would be able to keep up. This is all assuming that Garou lets them blitz him in the first place before preventing it in the ways I mentioned above.

I'd like to see scans of these blitz amps because speed is heavily dependent on distance, and given Garou's toolkit, I very much heavily doubt that he'd be overwhelmed here.

 

[Catbowtie]

Kachon can we both just agree this is a Mismatch and call it a day?

 

[LaserPrecision]

Kachon can we both just agree this is a Mismatch and call it a day?

Nah, decisive win.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Nah, decisive win.

Expect to see sukuna vs dbs in the next 10 minutes

 

[Johner2133451]

Johner, why are you counting votes as if this wasn't a Mismatch?

Is it? Both have wincons

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Is it? Both have wincons

My dude if the said win con gets negated by “he’ll just predict it 100% of the time” then there’s no win con lmao

 

[Johner2133451]

My dude if the said win con gets negated by “he’ll just predict it 100% of the time” then there’s no win con lmao

Isn't this like the Deku vs Orochi match where both sides are saying both characters stomp each other? If both stomp, then neither do

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Isn't this like the Deku vs Orochi match where both sides are saying both characters stomp each other? If both stomp, then neither do

There’s 7 pages of yap of OPM side saying Deku gets cooked via numerous of ways. This same chat literally went “garou will lose if he gets blitzed” to “garou is never going to get blitzed because he’ll predict every single time!!!”. Stomp arguments are weird bro.

 

[Catbowtie]

Is it? Both have wincons

A match where both characters win, but they win 100% of the time, is a mismatch.

If the Hashiras use their Speed Blitz Amps frame one, they will ALWAYS win (and unironically, if they can't even do that to win against Garou, it's just a complete Stomp in Garou's favor), but if the Hashira don't use their Blitz Amps, Garou will ALWAYS win because of his god-like skill, Immortality, and RE.

Nah, decisive win.

Are you /srs or /j?!?!?!?!?

 

[MrTayman616]

There’s 7 pages of yap of OPM side saying Deku gets cooked via numerous of ways. This same chat literally went “garou will lose if he gets blitzed” to “garou is never going to get blitzed because he’ll predict every single time!!!”. Stomp arguments are weird bro.

We have our own Reactive Evolution.

 

[MrTayman616]

Isn't this like the Deku vs Orochi match where both sides are saying both characters stomp each other? If both stomp, then neither do

Deku and Orochi IS a mismatch. (in my opinion) (nvm, it's fact)

 

[Kachon123]

There’s 7 pages of yap of OPM side saying Deku gets cooked via numerous of ways. This same chat literally went “garou will lose if he gets blitzed” to “garou is never going to get blitzed because he’ll predict every single time!!!”. Stomp arguments are weird bro.

"If they can somehow decapitate him off-rip." It's up to Demon Slayer supporters to argue for that somehow. And so far the arguments aren't holding up. Don't pose this as me switching arguments.

 

[Catbowtie]

It's up to Demon Slayer supporters to argue for that somehow.

That "somehow" is blitzing Garou frame 1 and killing him, which leads to the match becoming a Mismatch.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

"If they can somehow decapitate him off-rip." It's up to Demon Slayer supporters to argue for that somehow. And so far the arguments aren't holding up. Don't pose this as me switching arguments.

Said demon slayers supporters in question btw

Then it becomes a mismatch because Gyomei, Sanemi, Shinobu, Rengoku, and Giyu instantaneously blitz Garou without him being able to do anything about it

 

[Kachon123]

That "somehow" is blitzing Garou frame 1 and killing him, which leads to the match becoming a Mismatch.

This point has already been tackled and your response was essentially "let's just agree this is a mismatch" so are you going to say something else? Or are we going to continue this game of "stomp or no stomp"