• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

Ben 10 Upgrade | Part 1

Status
Not open for further replies.
Messages
3,250
Reaction score
1,785
Conceptual Type 3
Before this, we should know what Mana is:
So, from what above, Mana should fit Concept Type 3, since it is the name of beings and it governs the function of things, etc... And Mana users should be have Conceptual Manipulation due to:
So it should be like this:
Information Type 2
I discuss with Agnaa with this, and he say this more like Info Type 2, since Mana a system of names, words and symbols are essence, soul and life and one of fundamental forces of Universe.


So, from what above, Words should fit Information Type 2, since it is system which can , etc... And Mana users should be have Information Manipulation due to:
Information Manipulation (Type 2: Mana users can manipulate every spell, an the system of names, words and symbols, and it can change name, which governing aspects, with it encompassing fundamental aspects of a being: from their life, to their soul, all the way to their essence.)
Page: Old | New
New:
Higher-Dimensional Potency (and range upgraded):

Pontecy

Range​

Also Mana users like Gwen and Charmcaster has power to travel to Legerdomain, thus some Mana abilities such as Teleportation or Portal Creation on this level have beyond baseline Multiversal+ (2-A) range, it possible that Mana users can return things to their place even if they are in Forge of Creation, thus some Mana abilities such as BFR or Summoning on this level have possibly beyond baseline Hyperversal (Possibly 1-B [26-D])
Nature of Mana:
Passive Effect:
Basic Mana:
  • Chi Manipulation and Passive Aura (The User has magical aura in nature, as he can manipulate energy that permeates in every natures)
Dark Mana:
Add Spells (Remove Magic and replace it with Spells):
  • Remove Life-Energy Manipulation since it's Mana

New Abilities (Mana Manipulation):
Add Elemental Intangibility to Non-Physical Interaction due to:
Add Phasing Intangibility to Non-Physical Interaction due to:
Add Abstraction [Type 1; Secret/Idea & Concept {Type 3}] to Non-Physical Interaction due to:
Add Perception Manipulation & Hive Mind (Type 2) to Mana Sensor due to:
Mana users can share their mind with other beings, allowing them to see and track the person who shared their mind.
Add Psychometry to Mana Sensor due to:
Add Telepathy to Mana Sensor due to:
Add Resistance to Power Nullification & Resistance Negation to Mana Sensor due to:
Mana sensor are unaffected by Synthroid's Manacle, who can nullify Verdona's mana powers.
New Resistance:
Anodite Physiology:
Downgrade/Remove:
Minor Light Manipulation
No feat or statement for more powerful than before.
Add Absorption layers (Upgrade):
Agree: @Tank1418, @Lloydblitzed
Disagree:
 
Last edited:
I'm a bit iffy about the "Omnitrix having a copy of the Omniverse inside". Given the description, it seems more of the dimension inside the omnitrix to be called Omniverse (similar to how Spiderman Multiverse in marvel is often called Spider-verse, Omnitrix's dimension seems to be called Omniverse here)
 
I'm a bit iffy about the "Omnitrix having a copy of the Omniverse inside". Given the description, it seems more of the dimension inside the omnitrix to be called Omniverse (similar to how Spiderman Multiverse in marvel is often called Spider-verse, Omnitrix's dimension seems to be called Omniverse here)
Azmuth has complete knowledge of the Omniverse, so I don't see anything that seems iffy.
 
Problem is, you are saying that the dimension inside the omnitrix is a copy of the omniverse (Omniverse as in the cosmology term), when the scan doesn't imply that at all. It is not stated to be a copy of the omniverse, just a dimension inside the omnitrix called "Omniverse".
 
Problem is, you are saying that the dimension inside the omnitrix is a copy of the omniverse (Omniverse as in the cosmology term), when the scan doesn't imply that at all. It is not stated to be a copy of the omniverse, just a dimension inside the omnitrix called "Omniverse".
It was mentioned in the movie that the Omnitrix's dimension is another version of Ben's world where everything there turns into codes, and since it's another Omniverse, it must be a version of the original Omniverse.
 
Both but if you find any misspelling tell me
Well there's still some grammatical errors in the OP, at least.

I don't have the energy to go through each one individually, but below is ChatGPT's rewrite grammatically (I made sure to specify it changes only grammar and spelling, nothing of actual substance). Look it over and see if it still matches what you're saying conceptually:
Before this, we should know what Mana is:


  • Mana is the hidden mystic life energy that permeates all of nature, being found in everything, including the universe.
  • Mana is also the soul of beings, and this was proved by Charmcaster, a very knowledgeable character in Ben 10.
  • Mana is also the essence and name of beings, as supported by Charmcaster.
  • If a being’s mana is changed, their function changes as well, similar to when Charmcaster altered the essential name of a door. This caused the door to remain closed and not open for anyone, even if they said the true name of the place. It would only open for Charmcaster, despite its original function being to open when the true name of the place was spoken. And this has been supported where it is mentioned, “THEY GIVE YOU POWER OVER THINGS.”
  • All statements of magic weren’t talking about magic—in fact, they were talking about Mana.

So, from the above, Mana should fit Type 3, since it is the essential name of beings and it governs the function of things, etc... And Mana users should have Conceptual Manipulation due to:


  • Users possessing the ability to mine mana to empower themselves.
  • The basic ability of Mana is to manipulate Mana itself, since users can completely change the essential name of a being.

So it should be like this:


Conceptual Manipulation & Law Manipulation (Type 3; Mana users can manipulate every mana, and the essential names of everything, the governors of their function, with it encompassing fundamental aspects of a being: from their energy, to their life, all the way to their soul.)


Page: Old | New
New:



  • Higher-Dimensional Potency (and range upgraded)
  • Nature of Mana
  • Passive Effect
  • Types of Mana
  • Rock Monster Physiology
  • Elf Physiology
  • Add Spells (Remove Magic and replace it with Spells)
  • Remove Life-Energy Manipulation since it's Mana

New Abilities (Mana Manipulation):


  • Subjective Reality (It states that “The charms seem to react to Gwen's emotional desires—like wanting to embarrass Ben.” Later, in “Lucky Girl,” it states that the combined power/mana of the Charms of Bezel can alter reality, including making the book's spells real. This means mana can make the imaginary become real.)
  • Non-Standard Breathing (Type 4; Mana shield provides air for the user to breathe in space and underwater.)
  • Immortality Negation (Type 3 [Regeneration {Low-High}] & 7; Mana can make Swampfire unable to regenerate. Mana users can kill Ectonurites, a race that lacks life-force. Mana users can kill other Mana users.)
  • Durability Negation (Mana users can absorb Mana from other people without needing to wound them. Mana can bypass durability by causing damage/loosening ionic bonds on a molecular level.)
  • Flight (Mana users can fly in air.)
  • Supernatural Willpower (Mana depends on the emotions of a user; if their will becomes stronger, the mana becomes more responsive to them—shown when Charmcaster was able to destroy her castle through anger, Gwen was able to break free from Ultimate Kevin’s absorption and pain effects through anger, and Darkstar was able to destroy all monsters around him through anger.)
  • Enhanced Senses (Hearing & Awareness; Mana users have the ability to hear sounds that other beings cannot. They have superhuman awareness, like when Charmcaster sensed the presence of Ben, Gwen, and Kevin, or when Gwen could still sense mana without using a Mana Sensor.)
  • Immortality (Type 7: Mana can remain alive even after losing its life-force.)
  • Aura & Minor Light Manipulation (Explosive, Materialized & Overwhelming; Users can emit a blinding light from their bodies, which can cause an explosion and kill any life-forms. Their aura allows them to manipulate mana and create weapons.)

Add Elemental Intangibility to Non-Physical Interaction due to:


  • Mana can interact with Swampfire without phasing through him.

Add Phasing Intangibility to Non-Physical Interaction due to:


  • Mana can interact with Ghostfreak when he is intangible.

Add Abstraction [Secret & Concept {Type 3}] to Non-Physical Interaction due to:


  • Mana users can affect Alpha Rune, a source of all mana, which exists as the secret true name of all mana and exists in its own dimension called Legerdomain. It has existed since the beginning of the universe without showing any signs of aging or corrosion. Users can interact with souls, the essential name of everything, which exist in their own dimension called Legerdomain.

Add Perception Manipulation & Hive Mind (Type 2) to Mana Sensor due to:


  • Mana users can share their minds with other beings, allowing them to see and track the person who shared their mind.

Add Psychometry to Mana Sensor due to:


  • Mana Sensor can analyze the entire area instantly and locate everyone who was present there instantly.

Add Telepathy to Mana Sensor due to:


  • Mana users can use telepathy to connect with other beings.

Add Resistance to Power Nullification & Resistance Negation to Mana Sensor due to:


  • Mana Sensors are unaffected by Synthroid's Manacle, which can nullify Verdona’s mana powers.

New Resistances:


  • Illusion Creation & Perception Manipulation (Mana users can resist illusions, as shown when Charmcaster and Gwen were able to resist an illusion that affected their minds.)
  • Cold (Mana users can survive an ice storm.)
  • Power Nullification (Mana users are unaffected by negative spells.)
  • With Shield:
    • Mind Manipulation, Transmutation & Corruption (Both Types) – Unaffected by Dagon’s mind wave, which can corrupt people and take control of minds.

Anodite Physiology:


  • Invisibility (Anodites can make themselves invisible.)
  • Self-Sustenance & Infinite Stamina (Type 3; Anodites are noted to lack fatigue.)
  • Immortality (Types 8 & 9; Although they are a magical race living on the planet Anodyne, Anodites originally come from Legerdomain, as they are Mana beings who originate from Legerdomain, a realm of magic, and are bound to it without needing a physical body.)

Downgrade/Remove:


  • Light Manipulation Negation (Magic users can put out any nearby light.)

Minor Light Manipulation


  • Enhanced Sealing (Anodites can seal people and nullify their powers, shown when Verdona sealed Antonio and Sunny and nullified Sunny’s powers.)
  • Enhanced Power Nullification (Anodites can nullify mana-based attacks, as demonstrated when Sunny nullified Gwen’s attacks. They can also nullify transformations, as shown when Gwen and Verdona reverted Ben and Kevin back to their human forms.)

No feat or statement for being more powerful than before.


Add Absorption Layers (Upgrade):



  • 1 Layer: As shown in Alien Force, Mana users were capable of absorbing mana from other Mana users such as Gwen, who could resist Darkstar’s mana absorption.
  • 2 Layers: After becoming stronger in Ultimate Alien, Gwen could resist Charmcaster’s mana absorption. After this event, in Season 2, Darkstar was able to absorb Gwen’s mana, bypassing her resistance.
  • 3 Layers: Gwen was able to resist Darkstar’s mana absorption again after becoming stronger and more focused. In Omniverse, Mana users such as Michael can absorb mana from other users, such as Gwen.

Here’s a list of previous grammatical, spelling, and syntax errors found in your original post, broken down by category:





1. Article & Determiner Errors


  • “including universe” → missing article → “including the universe”
  • “Mana is also soul of beings” → missing article → “the soul of beings”
  • “since it essential name of beings” → incorrect structure → “since it is the essential name of beings”
  • “the governs of their function” → misused word → “the governors” or “the governing aspects”
  • “an the essential names of a everything” → redundant and incorrect articles → “and the essential names of everything”
  • “a essential name” → incorrect article → “an essential name”




2. Subject-Verb Agreement Errors


  • “Mana users should be has Conceptual Manipulation” → incorrect verb usage → “should have Conceptual Manipulation”
  • “Mana are depends on the emotional of a user” → subject-verb and noun form error → “Mana depends on the emotions of a user”
  • “Mana can still alive” → verb missing → “Mana can still be alive”




3. Verb Tense & Form Errors


  • “was proved by Charmcaster” → nonstandard past → “was proven by Charmcaster”
  • “Gwen was able to broke free” → incorrect past tense → “was able to break free”
  • “Mana sensor can analysed” → incorrect tense → “can analyze
  • “they were talking about Mana” → consistent, but elsewhere:
    • “All statments of magic weren't talking about magic” → misspelled statements and awkward tense




4. Spelling Errors


  • “statments” → should be “statements”
  • “became more stronger” → should be “became stronger”
  • “becom more stronger” → should be “become stronger”
  • “form” instead of “from” (as in “broke free form”)
  • “mana form another Mana users” → should be “mana from other Mana users”
  • “lack a tired” → malformed phrase → “lack tiredness” or “don’t get tired”
  • “exist as the secret true name” → unclear phrasing, but not necessarily a spelling error




5. Punctuation Errors


  • Missing commas in compound and complex sentences (e.g., before "even if they said the true name...")
  • Double commas or missing periods in bulleted lists
  • Missing quotation marks around direct quotes or confusing formatting (e.g., “THEY GIVE YOU POWER OVER THINGS” was properly quoted in the corrected version)




6. Redundancy / Repetition


  • “when when Gwen...” → repeated word
  • “Users can can emit...” → repeated word




7. Misuse of Plurals or Possessives


  • “a race lack life-force” → should be “a race that lacks life-force”
  • “mana sensor are unaffected” → should be “Mana sensors are unaffected”
 
Well there's still some grammatical errors in the OP, at least.

I don't have the energy to go through each one individually, but below is ChatGPT's rewrite grammatically (I made sure to specify it changes only grammar and spelling, nothing of actual substance). Look it over and see if it still matches what you're saying conceptually:
Before this, we should know what Mana is:


  • Mana is the hidden mystic life energy that permeates all of nature, being found in everything, including the universe.
  • Mana is also the soul of beings, and this was proved by Charmcaster, a very knowledgeable character in Ben 10.
  • Mana is also the essence and name of beings, as supported by Charmcaster.
  • If a being’s mana is changed, their function changes as well, similar to when Charmcaster altered the essential name of a door. This caused the door to remain closed and not open for anyone, even if they said the true name of the place. It would only open for Charmcaster, despite its original function being to open when the true name of the place was spoken. And this has been supported where it is mentioned, “THEY GIVE YOU POWER OVER THINGS.”
  • All statements of magic weren’t talking about magic—in fact, they were talking about Mana.

So, from the above, Mana should fit Type 3, since it is the essential name of beings and it governs the function of things, etc... And Mana users should have Conceptual Manipulation due to:


  • Users possessing the ability to mine mana to empower themselves.
  • The basic ability of Mana is to manipulate Mana itself, since users can completely change the essential name of a being.

So it should be like this:


Conceptual Manipulation & Law Manipulation (Type 3; Mana users can manipulate every mana, and the essential names of everything, the governors of their function, with it encompassing fundamental aspects of a being: from their energy, to their life, all the way to their soul.)


Page: Old | New
New:



  • Higher-Dimensional Potency (and range upgraded)
  • Nature of Mana
  • Passive Effect
  • Types of Mana
  • Rock Monster Physiology
  • Elf Physiology
  • Add Spells (Remove Magic and replace it with Spells)
  • Remove Life-Energy Manipulation since it's Mana

New Abilities (Mana Manipulation):


  • Subjective Reality (It states that “The charms seem to react to Gwen's emotional desires—like wanting to embarrass Ben.” Later, in “Lucky Girl,” it states that the combined power/mana of the Charms of Bezel can alter reality, including making the book's spells real. This means mana can make the imaginary become real.)
  • Non-Standard Breathing (Type 4; Mana shield provides air for the user to breathe in space and underwater.)
  • Immortality Negation (Type 3 [Regeneration {Low-High}] & 7; Mana can make Swampfire unable to regenerate. Mana users can kill Ectonurites, a race that lacks life-force. Mana users can kill other Mana users.)
  • Durability Negation (Mana users can absorb Mana from other people without needing to wound them. Mana can bypass durability by causing damage/loosening ionic bonds on a molecular level.)
  • Flight (Mana users can fly in air.)
  • Supernatural Willpower (Mana depends on the emotions of a user; if their will becomes stronger, the mana becomes more responsive to them—shown when Charmcaster was able to destroy her castle through anger, Gwen was able to break free from Ultimate Kevin’s absorption and pain effects through anger, and Darkstar was able to destroy all monsters around him through anger.)
  • Enhanced Senses (Hearing & Awareness; Mana users have the ability to hear sounds that other beings cannot. They have superhuman awareness, like when Charmcaster sensed the presence of Ben, Gwen, and Kevin, or when Gwen could still sense mana without using a Mana Sensor.)
  • Immortality (Type 7: Mana can remain alive even after losing its life-force.)
  • Aura & Minor Light Manipulation (Explosive, Materialized & Overwhelming; Users can emit a blinding light from their bodies, which can cause an explosion and kill any life-forms. Their aura allows them to manipulate mana and create weapons.)

Add Elemental Intangibility to Non-Physical Interaction due to:


  • Mana can interact with Swampfire without phasing through him.

Add Phasing Intangibility to Non-Physical Interaction due to:


  • Mana can interact with Ghostfreak when he is intangible.

Add Abstraction [Secret & Concept {Type 3}] to Non-Physical Interaction due to:


  • Mana users can affect Alpha Rune, a source of all mana, which exists as the secret true name of all mana and exists in its own dimension called Legerdomain. It has existed since the beginning of the universe without showing any signs of aging or corrosion. Users can interact with souls, the essential name of everything, which exist in their own dimension called Legerdomain.

Add Perception Manipulation & Hive Mind (Type 2) to Mana Sensor due to:


  • Mana users can share their minds with other beings, allowing them to see and track the person who shared their mind.

Add Psychometry to Mana Sensor due to:


  • Mana Sensor can analyze the entire area instantly and locate everyone who was present there instantly.

Add Telepathy to Mana Sensor due to:


  • Mana users can use telepathy to connect with other beings.

Add Resistance to Power Nullification & Resistance Negation to Mana Sensor due to:


  • Mana Sensors are unaffected by Synthroid's Manacle, which can nullify Verdona’s mana powers.

New Resistances:


  • Illusion Creation & Perception Manipulation (Mana users can resist illusions, as shown when Charmcaster and Gwen were able to resist an illusion that affected their minds.)
  • Cold (Mana users can survive an ice storm.)
  • Power Nullification (Mana users are unaffected by negative spells.)
  • With Shield:
    • Mind Manipulation, Transmutation & Corruption (Both Types) – Unaffected by Dagon’s mind wave, which can corrupt people and take control of minds.

Anodite Physiology:


  • Invisibility (Anodites can make themselves invisible.)
  • Self-Sustenance & Infinite Stamina (Type 3; Anodites are noted to lack fatigue.)
  • Immortality (Types 8 & 9; Although they are a magical race living on the planet Anodyne, Anodites originally come from Legerdomain, as they are Mana beings who originate from Legerdomain, a realm of magic, and are bound to it without needing a physical body.)

Downgrade/Remove:


  • Light Manipulation Negation (Magic users can put out any nearby light.)

Minor Light Manipulation


  • Enhanced Sealing (Anodites can seal people and nullify their powers, shown when Verdona sealed Antonio and Sunny and nullified Sunny’s powers.)
  • Enhanced Power Nullification (Anodites can nullify mana-based attacks, as demonstrated when Sunny nullified Gwen’s attacks. They can also nullify transformations, as shown when Gwen and Verdona reverted Ben and Kevin back to their human forms.)

No feat or statement for being more powerful than before.


Add Absorption Layers (Upgrade):



  • 1 Layer: As shown in Alien Force, Mana users were capable of absorbing mana from other Mana users such as Gwen, who could resist Darkstar’s mana absorption.
  • 2 Layers: After becoming stronger in Ultimate Alien, Gwen could resist Charmcaster’s mana absorption. After this event, in Season 2, Darkstar was able to absorb Gwen’s mana, bypassing her resistance.
  • 3 Layers: Gwen was able to resist Darkstar’s mana absorption again after becoming stronger and more focused. In Omniverse, Mana users such as Michael can absorb mana from other users, such as Gwen.

Here’s a list of previous grammatical, spelling, and syntax errors found in your original post, broken down by category:





1. Article & Determiner Errors


  • “including universe” → missing article → “including the universe”
  • “Mana is also soul of beings” → missing article → “the soul of beings”
  • “since it essential name of beings” → incorrect structure → “since it is the essential name of beings”
  • “the governs of their function” → misused word → “the governors” or “the governing aspects”
  • “an the essential names of a everything” → redundant and incorrect articles → “and the essential names of everything”
  • “a essential name” → incorrect article → “an essential name”




2. Subject-Verb Agreement Errors


  • “Mana users should be has Conceptual Manipulation” → incorrect verb usage → “should have Conceptual Manipulation”
  • “Mana are depends on the emotional of a user” → subject-verb and noun form error → “Mana depends on the emotions of a user”
  • “Mana can still alive” → verb missing → “Mana can still be alive”




3. Verb Tense & Form Errors


  • “was proved by Charmcaster” → nonstandard past → “was proven by Charmcaster”
  • “Gwen was able to broke free” → incorrect past tense → “was able to break free”
  • “Mana sensor can analysed” → incorrect tense → “can analyze
  • “they were talking about Mana”→ consistent, but elsewhere:
    • “All statments of magic weren't talking about magic” → misspelled statements and awkward tense




4. Spelling Errors


  • “statments” → should be “statements”
  • “became more stronger” → should be “became stronger”
  • “becom more stronger” → should be “become stronger”
  • “form” instead of “from” (as in “broke free form”)
  • “mana form another Mana users” → should be “mana from other Mana users”
  • “lack a tired” → malformed phrase → “lack tiredness” or “don’t get tired”
  • “exist as the secret true name” → unclear phrasing, but not necessarily a spelling error




5. Punctuation Errors


  • Missing commas in compound and complex sentences (e.g., before "even if they said the true name...")
  • Double commas or missing periods in bulleted lists
  • Missing quotation marks around direct quotes or confusing formatting (e.g., “THEY GIVE YOU POWER OVER THINGS” was properly quoted in the corrected version)




6. Redundancy / Repetition


  • “when when Gwen...” → repeated word
  • “Users can can emit...” → repeated word




7. Misuse of Plurals or Possessives


  • “a race lack life-force” → should be “a race that lacks life-force”
  • “mana sensor are unaffected” → should be “Mana sensors are unaffected”
Done
 
I’m not familiar with conceptual manipulation enough but the other changes for the powers and abilities sections look good. But I have to ask why does Ben 10 have the longest p&a threads
 
Non Existent Physiology and Nothingness manp needs to go. You're taking it out of context there, she is not talking about nature of magic. She is saying magic as we know it doesn't exist in reality but rather is result of Mana.

Immortality type 3 Negation. Swampfire is changing his density rather than becoming completely non physical. Not to mention many have harmed him before physically.

Immortality type 7, she still had mana enough to live only. She cant survive with complete drain of Mana as was shown during her death inside Legerdomain.

Power Nullification, Addwaitya is superior sorcerer to gwen, he knew how he can overcome her spell via his own.

Immortality type 8 & 9. Their source of power comes from legerdomain, so all the sources and life. Everyone can still be killed. She was seen to drain Mana from surrounding shows that they are not directly or atleast fully connected with that dimension.

My opinion on Conceptual manp hasn't changed since last thread.

Rest looks fine.
 
Non Existent Physiology and Nothingness manp needs to go. You're taking it out of context there, she is not talking about nature of magic. She is saying magic as we know it doesn't exist in reality but rather is result of Mana.
Ok
Immortality type 7, she still had mana enough to live only. She cant survive with complete drain of Mana as was shown during her death inside Legerdomain.
No, as Charmcaster say she absolutely absorb all mana of Gwen, means she doesn't have mana. In Legerdomain, Charmcaster doesn't just absorb Mana, she absorb Gwen itself, as shown when she absorbed her Gwen Anodite form
Power Nullification, Addwaitya is superior sorcerer to gwen, he knew how he can overcome her spell via his own.
Shouldn't this be Enhanced Power Nullification (and add to spell) since it nullify the nullify itself
Immortality type 8 & 9. Their source of power comes from legerdomain, so all the sources and life. Everyone can still be killed. She was seen to drain Mana from surrounding shows that they are not directly or atleast fully connected with that dimension.
Fine
My opinion on Conceptual manp hasn't changed since last thread.
It literally changed the essence itself, since they changed name, which is essence, so they change the nature itself, and even on examples, Vanitas has CM due to:
Rest looks fine.
 
Last edited:
How is Law Manipulation applicable here?

What do you mean by Higher-Dimensional Potency?

It would be appreciated if you presented all the new additions and sections in this thread rather than linking them to the blog.
 
Last edited:
Immortality type 7, she still had mana enough to live only. She cant survive with complete drain of Mana as was shown during her death inside Legerdomain.
Gwen wasn't killed after Charmcaster absorbed her Mana. She could still be heard after her Mana was taken. Clearly just knocked out in sheer pain similiarly to how she was knocked out in pain after Charmcaster took her power the first time.
 
Last edited:
Gwen wasn't killed after Charmcaster absorbed her Mana. She could still be heard after her Mana was taken. Clearly just knocked out in sheer pain similiarly to how she was knocked out in pain after Charmcaster took her power the first time.
Despite a final "haa" sound she might have made before dying, the key fact is that she passed away, and this minor sound does not change that outcome.


Lies! Told by the powerful to control the weak! (Lazy to add that Clio : D)

Shush.
 
Ok

No, as Charmcaster say she absolutely absorb all mana of Gwen, means she doesn't have mana. In Legerdomain, Charmcaster doesn't just absorb Mana, she absorb Gwen itself, as shown when she absorbed her Gwen Anodite form

Shouldn't this be Enhanced Power Nullification (and add to spell) since it nullify the nullify itself

Fine

It literally changed the essence itself, since they changed name, which is essence, so they change the nature itself, and even on examples, Vanitas has CM due to:
Despite a final "haa" sound she might have made before dying, the key fact is that she passed away, and this minor sound does not change that outcome.


Shush.
 
Why Baseline Potency?
That's not what he said.

He's asking if you're trying to give a "minimun amount of energy / AP" to even the weakest Mana blast, like "doesn't matter how strong this character is, since he uses Mana, it needs to at least be [this strong]"
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top