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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

On other places the argument against using the Unleashed Continent shifting feat for individual Chaos Emeralds was that it was merely a Telekinesis feat with no actual power being inputted in order to shift the continent. What do you all think about it?
 
HenshinIntervention said:
On other places the argument against using the Unleashed Continent shifting feat for individual Chaos Emeralds was that it was merely a Telekinesis feat with no actual power being inputted in order to shift the continent. What do you all think about it?
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I mean, telekinesis is by default outputting power to lift something without having to do so using one's body. There has to be force involved to it.
 
The_Axiom_of_Virgo said:
Nice tier 2 base cast support evidence then (even tho I'm still on the fence about it). Also makes Knuckles and Chaos being able to shatter the Master Emerald (which is far above an individual CE) more impressive.
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Oh right. This would scale as far back as Sonic Mania Adventures from Metal Sonic empowering himself with 7 Chaos Emeralds. (If we use the same logic we do for Chaos empowering himself with the emeralds)

Wait hold on... Actually, this might scale back as far as Sonic Blast (According to our timeline, takes place interchangeably with Sonic 3D Blast, but I found a guide statement saying it takes place after Sonic Chaos), with Dr. Eggman's laser having shattered a Chaos Emerald into five pieces.

Also, the dreamcast doesn't need rings to withstand Transformed Void's stomps.
 
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HenshinIntervention said:
On other places the argument against using the Unleashed Continent shifting feat for individual Chaos Emeralds was that it was merely a Telekinesis feat with no actual power being inputted in order to shift the continent. What do you all think about it?
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Telekinesis feats usually scale to physicality anyway, so it's probably fine to scale back anyway. But it's largely contextual and depends. In most cases telekinesis feats can 100% scale to reactions because they're controlled by the mind itself, which creates reaction speeds.
 
McFriesGuy075 said:
multiplying the continent moving feat by 16x gives 7.528712 Foe. They multiplied that result by 4.

Is the formula like: Feat × emeralds combined multiplier + multiply by the amount of emeralds?

If that's how it goes, shouldn't Emerl with 7 emeralds be 215 kilofoe?
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Yes
 
McFriesGuy075 said:
I mean, telekinesis is by default outputting power to lift something without having to do so using one's body. There has to be force involved to it.
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Yeah, accomplishing the feat is intrinsically connected to the actual power of the emerald(s).

Also there goes the possible MFTL+ feat that classic chars might have had from Sonic R if they travelled to another solar system since its a binary star system. A small price to pay.
 
Mephistus said:
Also there goes the possible MFTL+ feat that classic chars might have had from Sonic R if they travelled to another solar system since its a binary star system. A small price to pay.
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Yeah, however this is a thing.

And, in case we use the word "instantly" to refer to 0 time (unlike "in an instant"), Infinite perceptions perhaps?? Afaik only a rage-amped Knuckles would scale to this in movement speed.
 
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Well thanks to everyone who replied to my question on Bowser vs Eggman afew days earlier and I decided I might as well write my critique so I'm just going to vanish into the void.

Before that for fun and intrest since vs stuff isn't related to the review as I want to analyze the episode as a narrative with a focus on the animation, does anyone else feel that in retrospect both sides of the Bowser vs Eggman debate (Death Battle especially) kind of ignored how things would interact or play out in a practical sense? Like for instance assuming [X ability] is completely irrelevant to the fight because [Y character] has a specific counter to it despite neither side having prior knowledge and being in a battle with so many moving parts that would all be factors simultaneously rather then just one on one interactions being an example.
 
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Snek said:
Well thanks to everyone who replied to my question on Bowser vs Eggman afew days earlier and I decided I might as well write my critique so I'm just going to vanish into the void.

Before that for fun and intrest since vs stuff isn't related to the review as I want to analyze the episode as a narrative with a focus on the animation, does anyone else feel that in retrospect both sides of the Bowser vs Eggman debate (Death Battle especially) kind of ignored how things would interact or play out in a practical sense? Like for instance assuming [X ability] is completely irrelevant to the fight because [Y character] has a specific counter to it despite neither side having prior knowledge and being in a battle with so many moving parts that would all be factors simultaneously rather then just one on one interactions being an example.
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Yeah I do think Bowser immediately pulling out the pure hearts or Eggman knowing to spread out chaos energy to counter transmutation are, fairly unrealistic to assume as quick options
 
Snek said:
does anyone else feel that in retrospect both sides of the Bowser vs Eggman debate (Death Battle especially) kind of ignored how things would interact or play out in a practical sense? Like for instance assuming [X ability] is completely irrelevant to the fight because [Y character] has a specific counter to it despite neither side having prior knowledge and being in a battle with so many moving parts that would all be factors simultaneously rather then just one on one interactions being an example.
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Absolutely. They did the classic mistake of assuming the characters have our knowledge rather then their own. I wonder how many versus debaters would pass this test.
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Sally–Anne test - Wikipedia

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Snek said:
Before that for fun and intrest since vs stuff isn't related to the review as I want to analyze the episode as a narrative with a focus on the animation, does anyone else feel that in retrospect both sides of the Bowser vs Eggman debate (Death Battle especially) kind of ignored how things would interact or play out in a practical sense? Like for instance assuming [X ability] is completely irrelevant to the fight because [Y character] has a specific counter to it despite neither side having prior knowledge and being in a battle with so many moving parts that would all be factors simultaneously rather then just one on one interactions being an example.
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this
 
Theuser789 said:
en.m.wikipedia.org

Sally–Anne test - Wikipedia

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Ayyy, the Sally-Anne Test! My psychology professor had us do a paper on this.
Theuser789 said:
I wonder how many versus debaters would pass this test.
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2%

McFriesGuy075 said:
What do you mean it'd also be a speed feat? Are you basing this off of the opening transition for the stage?
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It isn't a speed feat. No idea how tf it would be either, it's not like a Chaos Emerald can scale to a creation/passively-sustaining feat we don't even see and it's not like the cast scale to it either.
 
I guess I’d have Generations base Sonic scaling to the quadrillions Time Eater calc, so Frontiers Sonic I’d probably have at triple digit quad to single digit quintillion c
 
ShakeResounding said:
We were in the high Sextillions pre-Infinite Speed iirc. Used to be Octillions til we nerfed the Spin Dash's multiplier down to > 4x.
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Ah, I see. I only asked considering I saw someone call the Infinite/Immeasurable speed scaling "glaze" despite it LITERALLY being part of the game (Generations and Forces). That and they talked about quantifiable speed scaling regarding Sonic compared to the recent scaling shown in the recent Death Battle.
 
ZothythoTheNephalem said:
Ah, I see. I only asked considering I saw someone call the Infinite/Immeasurable speed scaling "glaze" despite it LITERALLY being part of the game (Generations and Forces). That and they talked about quantifiable speed scaling regarding Sonic compared to the recent scaling shown in the recent Death Battle.
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Also Sonic Prime with Sonic... literally being in 2 places at once via pure speed
 
ZothythoTheNephalem said:
Ah, I see. I only asked considering I saw someone call the Infinite/Immeasurable speed scaling "glaze" despite it LITERALLY being part of the game (Generations and Forces). That and they talked about quantifiable speed scaling regarding Sonic compared to the recent scaling shown in the recent Death Battle.
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I mean yeah obviously Sonic is just never gonna reach those insanely high finite numbers in speed unless you mega glaze the statements of Cyberspace having “more information than can be quantified” into ridiculous bit counts
 
JJSliderman said:
I mean yeah obviously Sonic is just never gonna reach those insanely high finite numbers in speed unless you mega glaze the statements of Cyberspace having “more information than can be quantified” into ridiculous bit counts
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I wouldn't say never. Speed IS Sonic's brand and he is THE video game character of speed, it may happen in the future.
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Also Sonic Prime with Sonic... literally being in 2 places at once via pure speed
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I mean, wasn't that only with Prism Sonic? And how fast would that even be statistically?
 
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