Naruto vs Samus (1-3-0)

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

How much speed-wise

Worth mentioning Samus upscales from her rating by a stomp-worthy degree

Reaction time wise he's on par with KCM and somewhat slower than KCM2 but is physically slower than either form. Not to a blitz degree but still physically slower.

 

[DavidTPPM]

If Samus is in character she'd be really hesitant to employ lethal force against someone that young, especially since to my knowledge he doesn't really go for the kill either.

Stomp?

I think SBA covers that and Naruto isn't really one to go for the kill either.

 

[Armorchompy]

I think SBA covers that and Naruto isn't really one to go for the kill either.

Not really, SBA says "Each character will view their opponents as enemies, who they have to assume wish to cause them severe harm such that losing could have any range of dire consequences. The characters will assume their opponents have not been forced into battle. They are assumed to have decided from free will to fight and are not excused by a just cause, difficult times or otherwise exonerating circumstances. Furthermore, the situation is assumed one where the opponents are not protected by social norms or consequences, such as being a civilian protected by law."

If a character is naturally heroic they still might not want to kill someone, even in self defense.

Listen yall if Naruto just blitzes I don't see a reason to debate the rest, it's a stomp, no?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Naruto's blitz amp isn't something he can spam 24/7. Shunshin when not used by someone like Shisui is only good for moving really fast in a straight line.

 

[Armorchompy]

So it's worse Speed Booster

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

So it's worse Speed Booster

Pretty much. Still useful but not an end all be all.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Not really, SBA says "Each character will view their opponents as enemies, who they have to assume wish to cause them severe harm such that losing could have any range of dire consequences. The characters will assume their opponents have not been forced into battle. They are assumed to have decided from free will to fight and are not excused by a just cause, difficult times or otherwise exonerating circumstances. Furthermore, the situation is assumed one where the opponents are not protected by social norms or consequences, such as being a civilian protected by law."

If a character is naturally heroic they still might not want to kill someone, even in self defense.

True ig. Although if Samus were to hurt him she'd see he has solid regen so it won't really limit her range of actions that much, especially since Nard doesn't go for the kill himself unless you're some world destroying demon.

Listen yall if Naruto just blitzes I don't see a reason to debate the rest, it's a stomp, no?

Idk about it being a blitz, shunshin is kinda weird. Deidara who was self admittedly slower than hebi Sasuke could still react to him, and you generally don't often see characters blitz someone relative to them with it. So it's definitely a large speed boost but it doesn't perception blitz the opponents and even regular blitzing is range limited.

And the starting distance is waaaayyyy too large for Naruto to blitz with just shunshin from the start.
Shunshin is lowkey glazed af here

 

[Armorchompy]

True ig. Although if Samus were to hurt him she'd see he has solid regen so it won't really limit her range of actions that much, especially since Nard doesn't go for the kill himself unless you're some world destroying demon.

It's kind of restrictive for her because she has things like the ice beam where she could freeze and then shatter him. But I suppose not that bad.

Honestly it kind of sounds to me like Samus can just camp him for 8 minutes and then win the fight against the weaker Naruto.

 

[DavidTPPM]

It's kind of restrictive for her because she has things like the ice beam where she could freeze and then shatter him. But I suppose not that bad.

Nard resists ice manip. It's technically not in his profile yet because it's outdated but it's been accepted as a standard shinobi ability on multiple other profiles.

Resistance to Ice Manipulation (Ninja who can mold Chakra can send that chakra around their bodies to generate heat and prevent their bodies from freezing. This technique was potent enough to counteract Earth Chain Ice, a technique that freezes its victims from the inside out)

Honestly it kind of sounds to me like Samus can just camp him for 8 minutes and then win the fight against the weaker Naruto.

Can she last against Naruto that long?

 

[Armorchompy]

Nard resists ice manip. It's technically not in his profile yet because it's outdated but it's been accepted as a standard shinobi ability on multiple other profiles.

Link seems to be broken.

Can she last against Naruto that long?

The speed booster enhances her movement speed by a lot so she can literally just book it in the opposite direction

 

[DavidTPPM]

Link seems to be broken.

It works for me. Lemme re-upload it myself

The speed booster enhances her movement speed by a lot so she can literally just book it in the opposite direction

Wouldn't that kinda get countered by shunshin?

And like, if not then sure, can't Naruto just return to base and wait while constructing some crazy strategy? If Samus leaves the battlefield she will have to come back to not lose via self-BFR and Naruto can just start setting up traps in the meantime. And giving him time to analyze and think about what to do is a huge problem because that's his strong suit even mid-fight.

If she tries to camp away for 8 minutes she'll come back and get swarmed by this

Alongside a kcm2 Naruto with a better proficiency in the mode. Plus the 8 minutes limit was probably far longer as it was a limit at all only because Kurama ran out of chakra after Naruto has been using it for almost an entire day nonstop at 14+ different fights at once.

 

[That_moron2]

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[YmTheSuper]

Nard resists ice manip. It's technically not in his profile yet because it's outdated but it's been accepted as a standard shinobi ability on multiple other profiles.

Tbf, Samus can freeze Magdollites who are made of lava.

 

[Armorchompy]

It works for me. Lemme re-upload it myself

Seems to be just galleries that don't work for me. But yeah Samus can freeze objects made of fire and do so even in superheated areas or while inside pools of lava. She's also susceptible to the Ice Beam herself which arguably puts it on par with the near-absolute zero Judicator.

Wouldn't that kinda get countered by shunshin?

That's in a straight line, right? Samus can turn during the speed booster and even jump or fly in a straight direction. There's limits due to the sheer momentum but it sounds a lot more mobile.

And like, if not then sure, can't Naruto just return to base and wait while constructing some crazy strategy? If Samus leaves the battlefield she will have to come back to not lose via self-BFR and Naruto can just start setting up traps in the meantime. And giving him time to analyze and think about what to do is a huge problem because that's his strong suit even mid-fight.

She's not going to leave, she'll just play defensive, hover at a long enough range going so fast that he can't reliably hit her but not so far that he can just start doing whatever he wants. Keep in mind engaging in melee with her in this state is pretty dangerous since she's got so much power built up she shreds most things she makes contact with, and she can augment that with the Screw Attack while jumping (she can double jump infinitely meaning she basically flies) for additional power- both of these individually are thought to be some of Sam's strongest weapons.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Seems to be just galleries that don't work for me. But yeah Samus can freeze objects made of fire and do so even in superheated areas or while inside pools of lava. She's also susceptible to the Ice Beam herself which arguably puts it on par with the near-absolute zero Judicator.

I mean that's a bit hard to scale without direct values. Technically chakra in Naruto can easily become lightning which is MUCH hotter than fire or lava, and we know ice release in Naruto can very much reach absolute zero even when used by fodders like what Katsuke blasted

So while it's not concrete either, Naruto does have very solid ice manip resistance arguments. Especially with Kurama chakra which can be hot enough to instantly vaporize living beings on contact and can withstand heat so strong it burns fire itself.

That's in a straight line, right? Samus can turn during the speed booster and even jump or fly in a straight direction. There's limits due to the sheer momentum but it sounds a lot more mobile.

Uhhhh it's usually a straight line but doesn't have to be. Naruto ran around the Raikage in a circle for example.

She's not going to leave, she'll just play defensive, hover at a long enough range going so fast that he can't reliably hit her but not so far that he can just start doing whatever he wants.

I mean that's kidna the same. Naruto simply needs to be pop a clone to sit down near himself for few seconds and the clone can nearly instantly jump to 4 teratons in sage mode. A clone that can further split itself mind you.

So the moment she's too far she stops being a threat and allows Naruto to just swarm her with sage mode clones in the dozens. And his most in character action here would be to use the as diversion to land a sneak attack, something he could pull off against extremely skilled fighters like Kakuzu and even people with sensory and precog hax like Kaguya and Obito.

Keep in mind engaging in melee with her in this state is pretty dangerous since she's got so much power built up she shreds most things she makes contact with, and she can augment that with the Screw Attack while jumping (she can double jump infinitely meaning she basically flies) for additional power- both of these individually are thought to be some of Sam's strongest weapons.

Doesn't she have AP relative to Naruto here?

 

[Armorchompy]

I mean that's a bit hard to scale without direct values. Technically chakra in Naruto can easily become lightning which is MUCH hotter than fire or lava

For a few dozens microseconds per stroke. Heat becomes effective through gradual buildup.

and we know ice release in Naruto can very much reach absolute zero even when used by fodders like what Katsuke blasted

Is that accepted?

So while it's not concrete either, Naruto does have very solid ice manip resistance arguments. Especially with Kurama chakra which can be hot enough to instantly vaporize living beings on contact and can withstand heat so strong it burns fire itself.

Vaporizing living beings is something Samus' weakest beams do, and the latter can't be quantified

I mean that's kidna the same. Naruto simply needs to be pop a clone to sit down near himself for few seconds and the clone can nearly instantly jump to 4 teratons in sage mode. A clone that can further split itself mind you.

Again, I'm not saying Samus turns heels and leaves the fight, I'm saying she keeps her distance and plays defensively, which she's very good at. She can take a few hits and keep going. Keep in mind her info analysis is gonna give her a fairly complete rundown of Naruto's abilities.

So the moment she's too far she stops being a threat and allows Naruto to just swarm her with sage mode clones in the dozens. And his most in character action here would be to use the as diversion to land a sneak attack, something he could pull off against extremely skilled fighters like Kakuzu and even people with sensory and precog hax like Kaguya and Obito.

I don't know how good those senses are (though there's a certain point where regardless of a character's skill and in-verse portrayal it doesn't make sense to avoid perception, and Samus is well past it), but Samus literally has a radar telling her where nearby enemies are, beyond her own great senses (which include several showings of avoiding exactly this type of thing). With the fact that Naruto has no experience with her technology I think it's a reach to claim he'd pull that off.

Doesn't she have AP relative to Naruto here?

Doesn't mean it's good for him to make contact with a walking energy field. It's not good for Samus' enemies back in her home games.

Worth noting she can amp up to >x5 with Rage Boost if she's brought to that level, though I guess it's arguable if that'd trigger here.

 

[DavidTPPM]

For a fraction of a second.

Wdym?

Is that accepted?

The novel is now accepted as canon so yeah. (idk if it's on profiles yet since the affected ones are super outdated)

Vaporizing living beings is something Samus' weakest beams do, and the latter can't be quantified

Yeah I'm just generally spit balling the heat capabilities of chakra.

Again, I'm not saying Samus turns heels and leaves the fight, I'm saying she keeps her distance and plays defensively, which she's very good at. She can take a few hits and keep going. Keep in mind her info analysis is gonna give her a fairly complete rundown of Naruto's abilities.

Yeah I know I'm saying she doesn't need to literally leave the fight. Narutos clones can enter sage mode nearly instantly by this point.

So if she's far away enough to where Naruto can't just extend a chakra arm and grab her she's far away enough for Naruto to make a sage clone.

I don't know how good those senses are (though there's a certain point where regardless of a character's skill and in-verse portrayal it doesn't make sense to avoid perception, and Samus is well past it), but Samus literally has a radar telling her where nearby enemies are, beyond her own great senses (which include several showings of avoiding exactly this type of thing). With the fact that Naruto has no experience with her technology I think it's a reach to claim he'd pull that off.

Kaguya has an advanced form of sage mode where base sage mode shows you everything in the surrounding dozens of kilometers as if you were looking at it through a camera, and allow you to sense danger ahead of time. It's so good it allowed Naruto to track and pinpoint Juubitos location when he previously couldn't even hit him by surprise with teleportation.

But the main thing here is that Narutos sneak attacks don't work by him simply hiding from your line of sight. They work by him fooling you. For example with Kaguya he gave his TSO to a clone and had other clones protecting it, predicting that Kaguya will realize his clones don't have TSO and that she'll think she outsmarted him. This allowed him to land attacks after the opponent thinks they already won.
Similarly with Kakuzu where Naruto made him think he saw through Narutos trick but Naruto purposely did the exact opposite. Meaning Kakuzu thought there were clones behind him and that he's about to kill the original, but in reality Naruto was among the clones and hit him when he didn't expect it.
Or even better, as a kid when he fought Neji, he managed to swap his place with a clone and fool Neji into thinking he's attacking the real Naruto despite Neji having a 360° X-ray vision

So simply having a radar won't help against Narutos trickery as he's extremely experienced

Doesn't mean it's good for him to make contact with a walking energy field. It's not good for Samus' enemies back in her home games.

I mean sure but Naruto is covered in a chakra cloak so it's not like he's hitting her with his bare hands either.

Worth noting she can amp up to >x5 with Rage Boost if she's brought to that level, though I guess it's arguable if that'd trigger here.

Naruto could technically completely blitz (seemingly nearly statue) someone faster than himself from solid 200 meters away through emotional empowerment so if it ends up an emotional dog fight it should still be pretty close if not in favor of Naruto

 

[Chariot190]

Nard resists ice manip

Not this ice manip my dude. **** lightning, her ice manip can flash freeze shit like Ridley's plasma, which can burn goons who can survive stuff in the hundreds of millions of degrees.

Anyway, think ya'll grossly underestimating her info analysis. Shes gonna know exactly what to do and every caveat his shit has in like the first 3 seconds of the match.

 

[Armorchompy]

Wdym?

Lightning reaches that level of heat for a very tiny fraction of a second. It's not as impressive as it sounds, as you can tell by the fact that bodies struck by lightning are intact and not carbonized.

idk if it's on profiles yet

Yeah I know I'm saying she doesn't need to literally leave the fight. Narutos clones can enter sage mode nearly instantly by this point.

So if she's far away enough to where Naruto can't just extend a chakra arm and grab her she's far away enough for Naruto to make a sage clone.

I don't know what a sage clone even is man. Are they better than normal clones how? Are they as durable as base Naruto or do they just poof out?

Kaguya has an advanced form of sage mode where base sage mode shows you everything in the surrounding dozens of kilometers as if you were looking at it through a camera, and allow you to sense danger ahead of time. It's so good it allowed Naruto to track and pinpoint Juubitos location when he previously couldn't even hit him by surprise with teleportation.

See the "regardless of verse portrayal" bit, that doesn't trump basic logic. Even if he makes himself undetectable she'd still be able to sense changes in the temperature around her, him moving air around, etc.

But the main thing here is that Narutos sneak attacks don't work by him simply hiding from your line of sight. They work by him fooling you.

Samus isn't a fool. I'm not sure how you're expecting Naruto to know how to outwit someone he doesn't know at all, whose abilities he isn't familiar with, and who generally acts with a very military practical mindset basically designed to minimize any chance of being caught with her guard down. There isn't any arrogance or carelessness to exploit here, she's been doing this shit for decades and has nearly died dozens of times, she never takes unnecessary risks.

I mean sure but Naruto is covered in a chakra cloak so it's not like he's hitting her with his bare hands either.

Samus upscales from her own rating pretty massively (Varia, who seems to tank the feat pretty well, gets one-shot by a boss she can fight evenly in a slightly weaker version of this key. Her Hyper Beam in particular massively upscales from this too and likely just one-shots Naruto after the 8 minutes), and is particularly durable on top of that thanks to his forcefields. Even if her energy is depleted, she has plenty of ways to heal. With Naruto being on a timer, he's not winning the war of attrition just by landing a few stray hits.

 

[Armorchompy]

Not this ice manip my dude. **** lightning, her ice manip can flash freeze shit like Ridley's plasma, which can burn goons who can survive stuff in the hundreds of millions of degrees.

I actually don't think she can freeze Ridley's attacks, but there are analogous things.

Anyway, think ya'll grossly underestimating her info analysis. Shes gonna know exactly who to do and every caveat his shit has in like the first 3 seconds of the match.

This is mostly true, I don't want to make it sound like she gets to read your wiki page but her scanner does give pretty extensive details on a target's abilities, both physical and supernatural (magic exists in Metroid, if you're wondering if Naruto's chakra would be outside its purview). Things like relative AP, abilities, things to watch out for and weaknesses are all on the table to be scanned here, and it takes just three/four-ish seconds.

 

[Chariot190]

I actually don't think she can freeze Ridley's attacks, but there are analogous things.

SHE CAN
The lil fireball ones....

This is mostly true, I don't want to make it sound like she gets to read your wiki page
but her scanner does give pretty extensive details on a target's abilities, both physical and supernatural (magic exists in Metroid, if you're wondering if Naruto's chakra would be outside its purview). Things like relative AP, abilities, things to watch out for and weaknesses are all on the table to be scanned here, and it takes just three/four-ish seconds.

To add, her visor can scan fakes, tell her what target is the real one, has interdimensional tracking like chozo ghosts or the goons from prime 2, etc.

Shadowclones dont even help him long term.

Also coupled with that she has pretty damn good senses, like in Dread.

Inversely, I dont think this lad resists heat on the level of her plasma beam, power bombs, and wave beam kinda sucks too.

Thats a lot of duraneg packed into one thing that attacks internally each hit due to the beam combos, and she even has stuff like ice "forcefields" that can instant freeze incoming attacks that would hit her due to power bomb combos.

Stalling should be extremely easy tbh.

 

[Armorchompy]

SHE CAN
The lil fireball ones....

ah ok

attacks internally each hit due to the beam combos

I'd disagree with that, Plasma isn't shown to hit internals in a duraneg sense which is notable because that's an express feature of the Nova, so I wouldn't extrapolate that it does. It does go through materials and multiple enemies

 

[Chariot190]

ah ok

I'd disagree with that, Plasma isn't shown to hit internals in a duraneg sense which is notable because that's an express feature of the Nova, so I wouldn't extrapolate that it does. It does go through materials and multiple enemies

Wave beam tho, they stack.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Lightning reaches that level of heat for a very tiny fraction of a second. It's not as impressive as it sounds, as you can tell by the fact that bodies struck by lightning are intact and not carbonized.

Uhh isn't that only because lightning itself only lasts for like a millionth of a second? Meaning when it hits a human it doesn't have the time to actually transfer a significant enough amount of heat to them (which is also hindered by other things like the surface area).

But in Naruto characters can straight up cover their entire body with lightning for an entire fight. When you transform chakra into lightning it doesn't only last for a fraction of a second but for as long as you want/can.

Hey take that up with the lazyass Naruto supporters that obsess with god tiers instead of fixing it

I don't know what a sage clone even is man. Are they better than normal clones how? Are they as durable as base Naruto or do they just poof out?

Point is they have higher reaction speed than his Kurama mode and close enough AP (4 teratons). But unlike Kurama mode, these absorb nature energy meaning Naruto could hypothetically just keep pumping them out until he himself runs out of chakra (which would take days).

See the "regardless of verse portrayal" bit, that doesn't trump basic logic. Even if he makes himself undetectable she'd still be able to sense changes in the temperature around her, him moving air around, etc.

I mean that's cool and all but it doesn't change the fact that Naruto can still fool geniuses who can literally see everything and anticipate moves by steering them towards his clones. Naruto is experienced with abilities like this and overcame them multiple times because he's that good at diverting your attention.

Samus isn't a fool.

Neither were his opponents. Neji is said to be the greatest genius in the history of his already prodigious top tier clan, Kakuzu is a 90+ year old war veteran who's analytical skills made him difficult to deal with for people with canonically 200 IQ, and Kaguya had millenia of combat experience which was said to be a greater advantage than a power up that brings you from 6-C to 5-B.

I'm not sure how you're expecting Naruto to know how to outwit someone he doesn't know at all, whose abilities he isn't familiar with, and who generally acts with a very military practical mindset basically designed to minimize any chance of being caught with her guard down. There isn't any arrogance or carelessness to exploit here, she's been doing this shit for decades and has nearly died dozens of times, she never takes unnecessary risks.

Yeah same thing that was true with literally every single opponent Naruto outwited. Naruto had no idea Neji could actually see in a 360° area around himself or that he had a straight up X-ray vision. Yet he simply analyzed that Neji can somehow detect attacks he shouldn't be able to see and instead of trying to sneak up on him he steered Nejis attention towards a clone to deliver a surprise attack.

And that was an inexperienced base kid Naruto with no analytical hax. The Naruto in question is much older, much more experienced, and has multiple sensory abilities that allow him to detect danger and emotions. A Naruto who has been specifically shown to analyze your stats and battle style just by sending 2 clones to get blitzed by the you even without sensory abilities.

So him having no prior knowledge on Samus or her having experience is completely inconsequential here. Less skilled less haxxed Naruto has dealt with these things in the past already.

Samus upscales from her own rating pretty massively (Varia, who seems to tank the feat pretty well, gets one-shot by a boss she can fight evenly in a slightly weaker version of this key. Her Hyper Beam in particular massively upscales from this too and likely just one-shots Naruto after the 8 minutes), and is particularly durable on top of that thanks to his forcefields.

Ngl I don't what's the currently accepted scaling chain for Naruto since he far outscales Pain who has a 15 teratons value even in sage mode and yet his SM is only ranked at 4 teratons. He also has accepted 2x multiplier with rasengan variations which isn't listed in this key for some reason

even higher with Stronger Ninjutsu (Naruto's stronger Rasengan and Rasenshuriken variants provide at least 2x amplifications to his power

(mind you a single rasengan is already a one shot above the users physicals so this isn't just 2x but 2x above the one shot gap)

So physically, it's something like this:
Kurama mode Narutos stronger ninjutsu > at least 40 teratons > Kurama mode Naruto physicals ~ 20 teratons >>> sage mode Naruto stronger ninjutsu > at least 8 teratons > sage mode Narutos physicals > WA SM Naruto physicals > SM Jiraya > base Jiraya >~ at least 4 Teratons

So yeah he upscales quite a bit as well.

Even if her energy is depleted, she has plenty of ways to heal. With Naruto being on a timer, he's not winning the war of attrition just by landing a few stray hits.

I feel like you're oversimplifying the timer thingy here. Naruto is only on an 8 minute timer while already tired and spamming the kyubi avatar as well as healing 2 completely fatigue people, and splitting his Kurama mode chakra into 2.
And even then after he runs out of Kurama mode he still has sage mode which has even better danger sensing, durability negating physical attacks, a flawless martial art style, and the ability to create countless clones to nuke and swarm Samus with until his Kurama mode recharges.

Like I said before after Naruto runs out of Kurama mode he can just spam her like this

With each of these upscaling massively above 8 teratons.

 

[Hypertornado099]

I'd make the argument that Samus actually fares pretty well against large numbers of clones because her attacks pierce and have fairly wide AOE (like, man-sized) so she can just shoot in one direction and vaporize an entire swathe of them, or drop a Power Bomb and clear out a large AOE around herself.

If each of the clones are much stronger than Samus, wouldn't that be a big problem?

 

[Armorchompy]

Uhh isn't that only because lightning itself only lasts for like a millionth of a second? Meaning when it hits a human it doesn't have the time to actually transfer a significant enough amount of heat to them (which is also hindered by other things like the surface area).

But in Naruto characters can straight up cover their entire body with lightning for an entire fight. When you transform chakra into lightning it doesn't only last for a fraction of a second but for as long as you want/can.

A single "lightning strike" we see is a few dozen strokes, each of which very minuscule in duration. If someone made lightning last for way longer (and we assumed it still behaved in a realistic manner which is already stretching it) that still wouldn't be a continuous current, just a longer series of strokes.

Hey take that up with the lazyass Naruto supporters that obsess with god tiers instead of fixing it

For all I know it might be an outlier or not make sense in the story. I can't agree to use it.

Point is they have higher reaction speed than his Kurama mode and close enough AP (4 teratons). But unlike Kurama mode, these absorb nature energy meaning Naruto could hypothetically just keep pumping them out until he himself runs out of chakra (which would take days).

So you're telling me that this guy's individual clones, which he can make near endlessly are all relative to him, faster than him and comparable in skill, and he loses or struggles against people that don't have this advantage?

That doesn't sound right.

I mean that's cool and all but it doesn't change the fact that Naruto can still fool geniuses who can literally see everything and anticipate moves by steering them towards his clones. Naruto is experienced with abilities like this and overcame them multiple times because he's that good at diverting your attention.

Neither were his opponents. Neji is said to be the greatest genius in the history of his already prodigious top tier clan, Kakuzu is a 90+ year old war veteran who's analytical skills made him difficult to deal with for people with canonically 200 IQ, and Kaguya had millenia of combat experience which was said to be a greater advantage than a power up that brings you from 6-C to 5-B.

This isn't a "who has the bigger intelligence rating or the better Social Influencing power level" thing. To exploit someone's mistakes, someone has to make mistakes. Even if they're smarter than her (which I'm not conceding, this mostly sounds like empty hype), there's not much he can do if she just doesn't fall for it- which she won't, because she's not an antagonist in a kids manga ready to make mistakes so the protagonist can win.

Samus reflecting attacks towards foes or countering attacks at the perfect opportunity is like a basic strategy in like five different boss battles and a basic gameplay mechanic respectively btw

Ngl I don't what's the currently accepted scaling chain for Naruto since he far outscales Pain who has a 15 teratons value even in sage mode and yet his SM is only ranked at 4 teratons. He also has accepted 2x multiplier with rasengan variations which isn't listed in this key for some reason

Man I can't trust you on your word if these things are not on the profiles. I'm not saying you're lying to me but it could be the consensus disagrees or you're misremembering something, or there's some reason this isn't accepted.

I feel like you're oversimplifying the timer thingy here. Naruto is only on an 8 minute timer while already tired and spamming the kyubi avatar as well as healing 2 completely fatigue people, and splitting his Kurama mode chakra into 2.

It can be 8 minutes or 30, Samus is really fucking durable.

And even then after he runs out of Kurama mode he still has sage mode which has even better danger sensing, durability negating physical attacks, a flawless martial art style, and the ability to create countless clones to nuke and swarm Samus with until his Kurama mode recharges.

Samus as I've mentioned kind of has a built-in counter to the clones via various kinds of AOE and explosions, as well as speed booster/screw attack which just destroy them on contact. Just bum-rushing her isn't really viable, skill or not her beam shots are as wide as a person and can be fired continuously, there's just not much you can physically do against that.

Samus resists various kinds of duraneg, by the way. Like deconstruction, which I seem to remember is what the Rasengan does.

Like I said before after Naruto runs out of Kurama mode he can just spam her like this

You just said this was a prep thing.

 

[DavidTPPM]

A single "lightning strike" we see is a few dozen strokes, each of which very minuscule in duration. If someone made lightning last for way longer (and we assumed it still behaved in a realistic manner which is already stretching it) that still wouldn't be a continuous current, just a longer series of strokes.

Yeah exactly so the reason lightning is survivalable is the duration. And if lightning kept getting generated on your body, it would be the same as being on fire but with something 5x hotter than the surface of the sun.

Which is exactly what chakra often does in Naruto.

For all I know it might be an outlier or not make sense in the story. I can't agree to use it.

I mean sure, we can just go with what's in the profiles already but then Samus doesn't really have anything above Narutos ice manip resistance either. One can instantly freeze people and the other can negate attacks that instantly freeze people, so we're kinda back to square one on that.

So you're telling me that this guy's individual clones, which he can make near endlessly are all relative to him,

Yes. Actually so relative that people with insane analytical abilities like 6 paths sage mode, sharingan, rinnegan, (abilities that can see on a microscopic level and see your exact chakra + have xray and can see through illusions and "the truth behind any jutsu") etc, can't distinguish them.

faster than him

Not faster. Sage mode grants a faster reaction speed than Kurama mode (Naruto could use sage mode himself and would if necessary)

and comparable in skill,

Not only that, but every time a clone disappears all of its experiences are transferred to the real Naruto. That's why Naruto is something good at using it to analyze the opponents abilities.

and he loses or struggles against people that don't have this advantage? That doesn't sound right.

Yep, because Naruto usually doesn't just fight people relative to him. And many times his clone making is already nerfed by the plot (like against Pain where he didn't master sage mode yet so he could only make 5ish clones instead of the usual 2000 for most of the fight, or at the start of the war where Kurama would steal Narutos chakra and making clones multiplied that speed which could quickly kill him if he overdid it).

This isn't a "who has the bigger intelligence rating or the better Social Influencing power level" thing. To exploit someone's mistakes, someone has to make mistakes.

Yes and Naruto makes his opponents make mistakes by predicting their exact line of thought and using it to his advantage. Like I said he specifically predicts how his opponents will try to outsmart him and outsmarts that instead. A fight with Naruto is essentially like playing chess in a way

Even if they're smarter than her (which I'm not conceding, this mostly sounds like empty hype),

It's not really just empty hype, that's a bit weird to say without any sort of reason. I can list out IQ feats if you really want to…

there's not much he can do if she just doesn't fall for it- which she won't, because she's not an antagonist in a kids manga ready to make mistakes so the protagonist can win.

I'm sorry what???? You can't just ignore feats you don't like because they don't fit your biased opinions man, that's so goofy.

What I'm getting from this is Samus has no feats that would stop her from getting skill-checked by 12 year old Naruto and you don't like that so you're ignoring it without any sort arguments or evidence.

At that point why even bother discussing the topic? If you're just going to ignore everything you don't like…?

Man I can't trust you on your word if these things are not on the profiles. I'm not saying you're lying to me but it could be the consensus disagrees or you're misremembering something, or there's some reason this isn't accepted.

It is in the profiles. Naruto just has like 3 of them and this is only in the final one because nobody bothered to put it in the older ones.
The 2x multiplier for rasengan variants is in Narutos profile and has been accepted in this thread. Someone even noted it looks weird when it's not mentioned in Narutos previous profiles in the thread, but they haven't been updated since then.

It can be 8 minutes or 30, Samus is really fucking durable.

That's a bit besides the point. The point is that Naruto sure as hell has enough time to fight and outsmart her before running out of time. It's not just a question of stamina but a question of whether Samus can last long enough without get killed.

Samus as I've mentioned kind of has a built-in counter to the clones via various kinds of AOE and explosions, as well as speed booster/screw attack which just destroy them on contact.

Yeah but each of those clones attacks upscales from 8 teratons, so she'd need to be MUCH stronger to block all of them with a single AOE attack, since the further an explosion gets from the center the weaker it gets.
Ntm Narutos strongest attacks far above his 20 teraton physicals have kilometers wide range so dodging it is really not an easy task.

Just bum-rushing her isn't really viable, skill or not her beam shots are as wide as a person and can be fired continuously, there's just not much you can physically do against that.

Yeah that's fine, it would still divert her attention, occupy her, and if necessary let Naruto recharge Kurama mode.

Samus resists various kinds of duraneg, by the way. Like deconstruction, which I seem to remember is what the Rasengan does.

What I'm referring to is frog strike here actually.

So if it gets to the point where Naruto runs out of Kurama mode he should be able to dodge any long range attacks and one shot Samus at close range.

You just said this was a prep thing.

Yeah but the prep time takes seconds at this stage. After Naruto ran out of Kurama mode he managed to enter sage mode multiple times and his enemies couldn't do anything about it.

 

[Armorchompy]

Yeah exactly so the reason lightning is survivalable is the duration. And if lightning kept getting generated on your body, it would be the same as being on fire but with something 5x hotter than the surface of the sun.

No, because lightning is still flickering on and off at very rapid speeds, even if it's being made to last around a certain area. That's just how electricity works. By the way, does this allegedly super-hot technique ever actually set the surroundings on fire?

If we're trying to apply math to this, then Samus' single shots immediately vaporizing massive enemies would require magnitudes greater heat given it's carried across a tiny surface area over a fraction of a second. And these are the weakest basic beams that her Plasma beam upscales from massively in terms of heat.

I mean sure, we can just go with what's in the profiles already but then Samus doesn't really have anything above Narutos ice manip resistance either. One can instantly freeze people and the other can negate attacks that instantly freeze people, so we're kinda back to square one on that.

Except Naruto doesn't actually have any resistance to low temperatures on this profile.

It's not really just empty hype, that's a bit weird to say without any sort of reason. I can list out IQ feats if you really want to…

I'd rather you show them actually use smart, sensible strategy during the fights that you said Naruto outwitted them in. Honestly just give me the chapters, if it's not a massive amount of reading.

What I'm getting from this is Samus has no feats that would stop her from getting skill-checked by 12 year old Naruto and you don't like that so you're ignoring it without any sort arguments or evidence.

Well what you're not getting is that you can't just say "he's outsmarted people who are smarter than her, so it'll work on her too." Intelligence isn't a two-dimensional slider and there's dozens of factors you're not considering and that we literally cannot consider because we don't know the precise actions the two of them would take.

There is simply no real way to actually "trick" someone who doesn't give you the opportunity to do so, regardless of how much higher your "battle IQ" is [I would note that Samus is in fact an incredibly quick thinker that's come up with out of the box strategies against basically all sorts of opponents.]. Sticking to a very simple foolproof strategy means there's very little for any opponent to exploit.

That's a bit besides the point. The point is that Naruto sure as hell has enough time to fight and outsmart her before running out of time. It's not just a question of stamina but a question of whether Samus can last long enough without get killed.

It's not just stamina, I'm talking about the suit's energy reserves that it utilizes for forcefields. She can get batted around even by people much stronger than her for a long while before those fail.

Yeah but each of those clones attacks upscales from 8 teratons, so she'd need to be MUCH stronger to block all of them with a single AOE attack, since the further an explosion gets from the center the weaker it gets.

She's got literally hundreds of missiles and dozens of power bombs, and can restore the former indefinitely if needed. She can spam to her heart's content. And if anything survives a Power Bomb it's getting tossed around by the result vacuum.

Ntm Narutos strongest attacks far above his 20 teraton physicals have kilometers wide range so dodging it is really not an easy task.

If Naruto's close enough he can't really use them at risk of hurting himself, no?

Yeah that's fine, it would still divert her attention, occupy her, and if necessary let Naruto recharge Kurama mode.

No it wouldn't, she's gonna figure out what he's trying to do and stop it. Even if he tried to use the clones to slow her down she could just barrel through with the Speed Booster/Screw Attack, hard to do much in melee if an energy field or a shockwave just shreds you before you make contact, especially if she goes out of her way to surround herself with AOE energy waves. And if he somehow gets the better of her, stopping the Shinespark releases shockwaves of its own. All of this with incredibly precise mobility, of course.

That is if she even needs to move towards him, because the Wave Beam phases through enemies and obstacles, meaning the clones cannot possibly bodyblock for him.

What I'm referring to is frog strike here actually.

So if it gets to the point where Naruto runs out of Kurama mode he should be able to dodge any long range attacks and one shot Samus at close range.

What happened to "no lethal force"?

Note that Samus is a 9-C (Maybe 9-A) person taking 6-B blows- her armor is absolutely capable of absorbing any energy that may go through and reach her, otherwise she'd be getting turned into mush by the first serious hit she takes. And this includes things like radiations, temperatures, and plenty of other things that absolutely do go through material regardless of durability. The suit also just deflects certain kinds of energy attacks.

Of course that is all provided he lands a hit on her- which would require surpassing all of the various hurdles we've discussed.

Yeah but the prep time takes seconds at this stage. After Naruto ran out of Kurama mode he managed to enter sage mode multiple times and his enemies couldn't do anything about it.

What is this supposed to mean? "The enemy couldn't do anything about it" is as vague as you can possibly get.

 

[Hypertornado099]

For all I know it might be an outlier or not make sense in the story. I can't agree to use it.

Man I can't trust you on your word if these things are not on the profiles. I'm not saying you're lying to me but it could be the consensus disagrees or you're misremembering something, or there's some reason this isn't accepted.

Those are good points. I feel like the Naruto profile needs to be reworked before making a match like this

 

[DavidTPPM]

No, because lightning is still flickering on and off at very rapid speeds, even if it's being made to last around a certain area. That's just how electricity works.

What? I'm a bit confused about what you mean.

By the way, does this allegedly super-hot technique ever actually set the surroundings on fire?

No but neither does is fire as hot as the sun so it's similar to DC vs AP stuff. That being said it is shown burning off Sasukes skin and vaporizing walls it hits for example.

If we're trying to apply math to this, then Samus' single shots immediately vaporizing massive enemies would require magnitudes greater heat given it's carried across a tiny surface area over a fraction of a second. And these are the weakest basic beams that her Plasma beam upscales from massively in terms of heat.

Iirc the temperature necessary to vaporize humans is only around 1000°C so that's good but not really doing much to Naruto.

Except Naruto doesn't actually have any resistance to low temperatures on this profile.

It's accepted as a standard shinobi ability across any semi-recent Narutoverse profile including his adult profile. I'm pretty sure I even showed you a scan saying it's a standard ability of chakra which Naruto here is overflowing with.

I'd rather you show them actually use smart, sensible strategy during the fights that you said Naruto outwitted them in. Honestly just give me the chapters, if it's not a massive amount of reading.

I don’t think reading only a single fight is enough to give you an idea of how smart or skilled a character is but sure.
Naruto vs Neji is from chapter 99 to chapter 105ish.
The Kakuzu fight is from chapter 339 to 341.
The Kaguya fight is approximately from 680 to 690.
Naruto vs Obito is also worth bringing up but that fight is scattered across the span of like 70 chapters so I can't really give you the exact page numbers off the top of my head.

Well what you're not getting is that you can't just say "he's outsmarted people who are smarter than her, so it'll work on her too."

That's great because I'm not saying that.
You said Samus wouldn't be caught by a trick because she has a radar. I simply pointed out that Naruto already overcame similar radar-like abilities in the past so simply having a radar is not stopping him.

Intelligence isn't a two-dimensional slider and there's dozens of factors you're not considering and that we literally cannot consider because we don't know the precise actions the two of them would take.

I agree.

There is simply no real way to actually "trick" someone who doesn't give you the opportunity to do so, regardless of how much higher your "battle IQ" is [I would note that Samus is in fact an incredibly quick thinker that's come up with out of the box strategies against basically all sorts of opponents.]. Sticking to a very simple foolproof strategy means there's very little for any opponent to exploit.

That simply isn't true. You can very much trick people by simply making them give you an opportunity.

Like I said, it's like chess. Samus can think she's sticking to a foolproof strategy just to find out Naruto made her fight a clone the entire time and blast her in the back or simply grab her with his superior LS.

It's not just stamina, I'm talking about the suit's energy reserves that it utilizes for forcefields. She can get batted around even by people much stronger than her for a long while before those fail.

Yeah that's good endurance, Naruto is no different. Sage mode on its own is such a massive durability amp that Naruto found the idea of Pain hurting him laughable despite Pain being very much relative to him physically and far superior with his gravity hax.
And Kurama mode is even superior to that.

She's got literally hundreds of missiles and dozens of power bombs, and can restore the former indefinitely if needed. She can spam to her heart's content. And if anything survives a Power Bomb it's getting tossed around by the result vacuum.

Like I said, sure, point is all of that takes away her attention and occupies her in a situation where if she overwhelms the clones Naruto just makes more and if she gets overwhelmed she's cooked.

If Naruto's close enough he can't really use them at risk of hurting himself, no?

That depends on how close. If she's too close for him to even hit her, meaning he relies on their explosion radius, he could just tag her directly with the TBB which then pushes her away from Naruto and explodes there.

If she's too far for Naruto to hit her directly then she's also too far for Narutos TBB to hit himself. Plus Naruto has the kyubi avatar to shield him from the damage which can get completely destroyed and Naruto won't suffer any real negative consequences.

No it wouldn't, she's gonna figure out what he's trying to do and stop it.

Yeah everyone always "figures out what Naruto is trying to do" and when they try to stop it they find out Naruto already anticipated they will figure it out and adjusted to it, which allowed him to use a weak point that wouldn't exist otherwise.

Even if he tried to use the clones to slow her down she could just barrel through with the Speed Booster/Screw Attack, hard to do much in melee if an energy field or a shockwave just shreds you before you make contact,

She doesn't have the AP to do that, especially not when Naruto is using rasengan variations instead.

That is if she even needs to move towards him, because the Wave Beam phases through enemies and obstacles, meaning the clones cannot possibly bodyblock for him.

They don't need to body block him. Naruto isn't stationary when he's recharging Kurama mode because Kurama inside of him is the one doing the recharging. Naruto himself can very much fight and dodge during that time.

What happened to "no lethal force"?

Naruto doesn't need to kill her, he can just do enough damage to incap her. And assuming he's in a life threatening situation it's not like he'd rather die than kill.

Note that Samus is a 9-C (Maybe 9-A) person taking 6-B blows- her armor is absolutely capable of absorbing any energy that may go through and reach her, otherwise she'd be getting turned into mush by the first serious hit she takes. And this includes things like radiations, temperatures, and plenty of other things that absolutely do go through material regardless of durability. The suit also just deflects certain kinds of energy attacks.

That's just how literally anyone works…? Like yeah Narutos organs are average human level (canonically it's impossible to strengthen them in Naruto) so his skin and chakra cloak has to do exactly what her armor does.
And yet frog strike can still ignore the durability of its targets.

What is this supposed to mean? "The enemy couldn't do anything about it" is as vague as you can possibly get.

It means Naruto could nearly instantly enter sage mode. I'm pretty sure I sent you a scan of Naruto entering sage mode the moment he sat down right? I can send it again if you want

 

[DavidTPPM]

I do agree it'd probably be better to wait until Narutos profile is fixed, especially given chakra itself (the core power system that affects basically every ability) should get a massive rework eventually.

 

[Chariot190]

Naruto has dealt with these things in the past already.

Naruto hasnt even remotely dealt with anything as bullshit as her scan visor, ever.
He literally cant bait her, she'd know theyre shadowclones at a glance and where he is at all times. Shes actively fought people who have done that before and it was useless.

Honestly still, I dont think she even needs to time him out, ice beam one shots AP or not here, and it has decent AOE as shown in S&J if she so chooses. Which when coupled with Ice Shields, also shuts down a decent amount of Naruto's longrange options, as they'd be flashfrozen, given the ice shield can in fact freeze various energy (and even ghosts iirc).

Idk why youre going on about experience and skill in a far later key, as if Samus also hasnt boxed tf out of goons who's whole purpose is to be these elite unbeatable warlords like Mawkin Clan soldiers, with hundreds of years of experience each, conquering civilizations and mastering all forms of combat and dying to Kraig that one time.
As an aside, when he says one shot, he means straight up kill, not knock out.

Also, literally nothing in Naruto is as hot as a Power Bomb, why we're talking about lightning is beyond me.
Like, need I remind you that Samus' dura feat, is noselling a nuclear reactor exploding that lit up a planet, that isn't just above lightning, it's so hilarious far above it it'd be like comparing a stiff breeze to actual lightning.
Samus' Plasma Beam and Power Bomb's heat, scale to her own heat res thanks to shit like the SA-X, DS, that ******* wizard from S&J, Chozos and RB from Dread, etc, all enabling scaling to various degrees in some shape way or form.

I hear mention of duraneg or phasing, Samus' suit has energy shields that take the damage in her stead like RWBY aura, you need to deplete all that shit first before it can hit her. Given this even works against the SA-X using the wave beam, which can phase through armor and defenses to attack...

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Yeah, enough was said

Voting Samus for Armor and Chariot reasons, too much AoE, Scan visor counters Naruto and if you believe Samus is outskilled by 12 years old Naruto then you have not played a single metroid game, trained since she was a kid by the Chozo and being able to survive alone entire planets of things wanting to kill her just to be outskill by a boy with 0 combat experience, nice claim indeed

 

[Chariot190]

Yeah, enough was said

Voting Samus for Armor and Chariot reasons, too much AoE, Scan visor counters Naruto and if you believe Samus is outskilled by 12 years old Naruto then you have not played a single metroid game, trained since she was a kid by the Chozo and being able to survive alone entire planets of things wanting to kill her just to be outskill by a boy with 0 combat experience, nice claim indeed

This ain't 12yo Naruto, but yeah Samus was bioengineered and trained by galactic burd warlords with hundreds of years of experiece (potentially more, Old Bird was around at the founding of the Galactic Federation, and he was already old af, which iirc was about 400 years before the start of Metroid ZM, Chozo's probably live for a few thousands years), to be the greatest warrior in the universe, and she's shown boxing some pretty stupid shit like dark Samus, herself, battle droids with a fuckton of data specifically aimed to kill her, or even like Chozo-X (don't forget, X's retain all knowledge and capabilities of anything they've absorbed). Some of these dudes have wild senses, centuries to millennia of combat experience, and obviously Samus herself has everything from military training to ancient space burd training, making use of all her kit, throws, grapples, the environment, acrobatics, even using her kit in subversive ways like combining ice and plasma to flash cool and then instant heat an AOE around her to bypass like mid-high regen.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

What I'm getting from this is Samus has no feats that would stop her from getting skill-checked by 12 year old Naruto and you don't like that so you're ignoring it without any sort arguments or evidence.

This ain't 12yo Naruto

Refering to the above

 

[Chariot190]

Refering to the above

Oh.
Imagine being offensively wrong af, I could never

 

[That_moron2]

What I'm getting from this is Samus has no feats that would stop her from getting skill-checked by 12 year old Naruto and you don't like that so you're ignoring it without any sort arguments or evidence.

People act as if Kid Naruto is some kind of skill god along the lines of Baki Bro had BASIC TRAINING and was a failure at it

 

[DavidTPPM]

People act as if Kid Naruto is some kind of skill god along the lines of Baki Bro had BASIC TRAINING and was a failure at it

No? I'm saying Naruto can catch people with radar-like abilities by surprise and that it's essentially his go-to strategy to do so. The whole conversation was just me saying Naruto would try to outsmart Samus if she kept running away and stalling because she'd create the ideal situation for it, and that her radar is not nearly enough to fully protect her from it.


Narutos skill is vastly different from your average skill demon like Baki as he doesn't predict every single individual movement his opponent makes down to the millimeter like they tend to, but instead predicts their line of thought while trying to outsmart them in the long run.

 

[Chariot190]

No? I'm saying Naruto can catch people with radar-like abilities by surprise and that it's essentially his go-to strategy to do so. The whole conversation was just me saying Naruto would try to outsmart Samus if she kept running away and stalling because she'd create the ideal situation for it, and that her radar is not nearly enough to fully protect her from it.

Yes it is. Her radar is planetary in scale, gives her 3D environmental data within like hundreds of meters instantly, the exact locations of enemies (multiple), can mark specific entities and keep track of them at all times like the Emmis, can tell her fake enemies, shadowclones, afterimages, etc like when she fought U-TON, multi targeting system, keeps tracks of both her and enemies' vitality, stamina and energy resources, etc with the combat visor (also gives threat lvs) (it also does stuff like sense and locate items, odd happenings on planets like in Prime that could be of use, even minor stuff like having a geiger counter).
Literally tells her how to beat her foes, what they're doing, their physiology, abilities, weaknesses, within seconds.

Between her combat, scan and planetary map visors and tools, he literally just can't. And mind you, two of those are always active, and the scan one takes like a second that she leads with. She also has other ones like X-Ray which she can flick on and off instantly that she's used in combat before like in S&J.

There's no world Naruto is outsmarting her, luring her into traps, getting one up on her, etc. If anything he's gonna be getting that done to him given it's well within her character.

Narutos skill is vastly different from your average skill demon like Baki as he doesn't predict every single individual movement his opponent makes down to the millimeter like they tend to, but instead predicts their line of thought while trying to outsmart them in the long run.

Which, is kinda bad? Like you don't think she's gonna be doing the same? Aided by scans that basically tell her how to beat him, exploit his weaknesses, behavior and what would work best to win?

 

[DavidTPPM]

Yes it is. Her radar is planetary in scale, gives her 3D environmental data within like hundreds of meters instantly, the exact locations of enemies (multiple), can mark specific entities and keep track of them at all times like the Emmis, can tell her fake enemies, shadowclones, afterimages, etc like when she fought U-TON, multi targeting system, keeps tracks of both her and enemies' vitality, stamina and energy resources, etc with the combat visor (also gives threat lvs) (it also does stuff like sense and locate items, odd happenings on planets like in Prime that could be of use, even minor stuff like having a geiger counter).

Okay and how is this all different from a standard byakugan in this situation? Like none of this shows she could tell a clone from the original since the clones have biological identical bodies to Naruto himself while possessing the exact same amount of chakra and abilities.

People with interdimensional advanced danger and chakra sensing couldn't see through Narutos trickery and clone shenanigans so what exactly makes Samus good enough to do so?

Literally tells her how to beat her foes, what they're doing, their physiology, abilities, weaknesses, within seconds.

Can it detect what skills Naruto learned? Because almost none of his relevant abilities here are based on his physiology, they're all learned skills.

Between her combat, scan and planetary map visors and tools, he literally just can't. And mind you, two of those are always active, and the scan one takes like a second that she leads with. She also has other ones like X-Ray which she can flick on and off instantly that she's used in combat before like in S&J.

That again just sounds like the byakugan or 6 paths senjutsu. What exactly is there about her kit which makes it harder to fool than a byakugan?

Like how is this stopping Naruto from turning into a bunch of sexy naked men and yanking Samus across the face while she's surprised?

There's no world Naruto is outsmarting her, luring her into traps, getting one up on her, etc. If anything he's gonna be getting that done to him given it's well within her character.

Why? What kind of feats does she have that suggest she can overcome Narutos danger sensing and emotion sensing?

Which, is kinda bad?

Why? I'd say it's match up dependent.

Like you don't think she's gonna be doing the same? Aided by scans that basically tell her how to beat him, exploit his weaknesses, behavior and what would work best to win?

I mean she can try, that's exactly what all of Narutos opponents tried as well, but since Naruto is the most unpredictable person in the verse they all failed.

Like I'm sorry but so far I've listed a ton of feats and I'm yet to see a single one for Samus that would even remotely imply she can keep up with or outsmart Narutos trickery.