Bleach: The Miracle minor stuff

[Johner2133451]

1. Gerard should have a more elaborated explaination for the weakness of his mid godly regen as it's confirmed by Kubo that destroying his cross would result his death

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Q475:
Gerard's Schrift, "M - The Miracle", holds the ability to "strengthen the injured part of a body via gigantification". When Gerard was cut in half by Zaraki Kenpachi's Bankai, something similar to a Quincy Cross came flying out of his head. Would it be correct to assume that it was Gerard's core and that had it been destroyed, Gerard would have been defeated?
A475:
Had it been destroyed he would've been defeated. Had he been capable of destroying it.

So it should be something like this:

Weakness: Gerard's mid godly regen is capable to be nullified by destroying the cross within his body conventionally as it's the source of his regenerative powers

2. Gerard should also be given resists to hollow poisoning as he is capable of fighting Visoreds like Shinji which has hollow physiology

 

[Ebihara]

What are assuming the durability of the cross to be. As well as does the cross grow stronger with him? If we can awsner these questions I agree.

 

[Johner2133451]

What are assuming the durability of the cross to be. As well as does the cross grow stronger with him? If we can awsner these questions I agree.

That one we dont have information, tho we can see that the cross is massively bigger when appeared than when Gerard is human average size. Also Gerard's sword and shield grow at the same time as himself

 

[Ebihara]

That one we dont have information, tho we can see that the cross is massively bigger when appeared than when Gerard is human average size. Also Gerard's sword and shield grow at the same time as himself

Ok I can get behind that unless there is info that contradicts that. I agree with the thread then.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

“Gerard's mid godly regen is capable to be nullified by destroying the cross within his body conventionally as it's the source of his regenerative powers.”

Kubo doesn't say all this. He says if Kenpachi had been capable of destroying it. To me this means it cannot be destroyed via brute strength to me.

The trio weren't even able to interact with it,

You should get more input from other knowledgeable members.

 

[MrTayman616]

What are assuming the durability of the cross to be. As well as does the cross grow stronger with him? If we can awsner these questions I agree.

Zaraki Kenpachi of that time isn't able to destroy it, it would scale above his AP at the very least.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I Agree

 

[Duedate8898]

Looks good!

 

[Johner2133451]

Looks good!

Can this be added with one staff agreement? Since it's minor

 

[Antvasima]

I also think that this seems fine to apply.

 

[Johner2133451]

Thanks, I applied the changes since two staff votes are enough as the CRT is pretty minor

 

[Adam1396]

There's some major issue with this.

Cross's durability: it tanked zaraki's bankai while even his shikai has durability negation which gerard resisted. Bankai zaraki was clearly stronger than that gerard. It didn’t just negate the hax, it outright ignored the physical force (ap) as well.
Cross's regeneration: his whole body crumbled including the part where cross was. And he didn’t simply regenerated. He completely reformed the whole body excluding feet.

So this certainly raises question. It's similar to hogyoku. Which couldn’t be detroyed despite erasure.

When you are adding weakness, you gotta mention those things about cross as well. We cannot deny feats because a club q&a which can be interpreted as mockery of zaraki or cross's indestructive nature as well.

 

[MrTayman616]

by destroying the cross within his body

Is it "inside" his body though? I always thought it appears after he's damaged etc.

 

[Adam1396]

Is it "inside" his body though? I always thought it appears after he's damaged etc.

It's clearly shown to be in his head.

 

[MrTayman616]

It's clearly shown to be in his head.

After his body was sliced in half, it manifested.

Not that he was sliced while it was in there, no?

 

[Adam1396]

After his body was sliced in half, it manifested.

Not that he was sliced while it was in there, no?

Off course it was in there as shown in the manga. We have seen other characters having cross inside their body as well.

From where are you getting this idea it manifested after getting sliced lmfao

 

[Johner2133451]

Off course it was in there as shown in the manga. We have seen other characters having cross inside their body as well.

From where are you getting this idea it manifested after getting sliced lmfao

You can argue with Due if you want since he's the one who got this CRT accepted (or make a separate CRT and bring new staffs)

 

[MrTayman616]

Off course it was in there as shown in the manga. We have seen other characters having cross inside their body as well.

From where are you getting this idea it manifested after getting sliced lmfao

Bleach wiki + panels.

You can argue with Due if you want since he's the one who got this CRT accepted (or make a separate CRT and bring new staffs)

This is true. It was added as well.

A fresh start with a crt entirely for it would be better ig. (Though this crt is also fresh i guess?)

 

[Adam1396]

Bleach wiki + panels.

A clear lie. Panel clearly shows it's being inside his body already.

Another stance we were shown was for as nodt case. Which was also within his eyes.

 

[Adam1396]

Here. It doesn't magically appear. It's been there always. Just were shown right when as nodt went voldstanding.
And where tf the condition come from "after getting sliced".

 

[MrTayman616]

A clear lie. Panel clearly shows it's being inside his body already.

Not really.

Another stance we were shown was for as nodt case. Which was also within his eyes.

Nodt having it inside his eyeball, why would it be related to Gerard?

Do all of them has it inside their body parts?

Regardless, someone can make a crt about it.

 

[Duedate8898]

Why are we talking about durability here?

We're just addding a weakness that destroying the cross is one means to nullify Gerard's Regen and Immortality. That's all. We have the Klub Outside translation and everything.

I don't imagine this can really be that complicated

 

[Adam1396]

Not really.

Nodt having it inside his eyeball, why would it be related to Gerard?

Do all of them has it inside their body parts?

Regardless, someone can make a crt about it.

1. It was shown it's inside his body already. Rather than some wild imagination that it would appear after cut, idk where you got that from or what's your agenda here. Off course you won't see it until he is cut since it's inside his body.

2. We were shown twice it's inside their body for 2 different cases. So it's on you to prove otherwise.

3. From what we have seen till now, it's inside their body until we get some exception. Even the exceotions won't change the case for these 2 characters.

 

[MrTayman616]

1. It was shown it's inside his body already. Rather than some wild imagination that it would appear after cut, idk where you got that from or what's your agenda here. Off course you won't see it until he is cut since it's inside his body.

I didn't see it the moment it was cut either. Adding mid godly regen not based on any type of statement or feat, but "it looks to be like that" doesn't mean anything to me.

I honestly don't think it's anything deep or complicated. It lacks any type of statement and feat. The only valid statement that is certain is the stated weakness. Honestly don't think something else can be added like this "especially something like mid godly regen"

 

[Sonoftanavast9]

Kubo doesn't say all this. He says if Kenpachi had been capable of destroying it. To me this means it cannot be destroyed via brute strength to me.

That's completely made up, Kepachi being incapable of destroying it doesn't mean it's invulnerable, that's a massive leap in logic when it's more sensible to believe he just didn't have the stats to break it.

This is like assuming anyone from any verse is invulnerable because a someone/something says they aren't capable of harming them.

Cross's durability: it tanked zaraki's bankai while even his shikai has durability negation which gerard resisted. Bankai zaraki was clearly stronger than that gerard. It didn’t just negate the hax, it outright ignored the physical force (ap) as well.

There isn't a single statement that says it ignores physical force regardless of amount, you are making an erroneous assumption with no actual backing.

It's resisting Kenpachis dura neg is just that... Resistance, so it'll just be put down as Resistance to [Insert Specific abilities of his Durability Negation].

It lacks any real statement that would qualify it for invulnerability, so it's durability should just be treated as above whatever Kenpachis could dish out. The only statement relevant to it is that it's a weakness that allows you to insta-defeat Gerard regardless of the miracle or his Regen if you are capable of breaking it

 

[Adam1396]

I didn't see it the moment it was cut either. Adding mid godly regen not based on any type of statement or feat, but "it looks to be like that" doesn't mean anything to me.

I honestly don't think it's anything deep or complicated. It lacks any type of statement and feat. The only valid statement that is certain is the stated weakness. Honestly don't think something else can be added like this "especially something like mid godly regen"

It's simply because the shot doesn’t have the part where cross is. Either zaraki is blocking, or (most likely) it's below his eye level which other panel suggests.

You don’t get "oh he has mid godly regeneration" this type of statement. Nor do we need it when he has blatant feat.

 

[Adam1396]

That's completely made up, Kepachi being incapable of destroying it doesn't mean it's invulnerable, that's a massive leap in logic when it's more sensible to believe he just didn't have the stats to break it.

So it has greater stats than gerard?
Well I agree with your point about invulnerability anyway.

 

[Sonoftanavast9]

So it has greater stats than gerard?
Well I agree with your point about invulnerability anyway.

Yes it would have greater stats than Gerard himself.

 

[MrTayman616]

It's simply because the shot doesn’t have the part where cross is. Either zaraki is blocking, or (most likely) it's below his eye level which other panel suggests.

Why did it not fell with the body and then heal? It manifesting there after what happens seems more likely to me.

None of it is even certain. Was it there before, or manifested later, did Kenpachi hit it there, why not reach etc etc. So many questions with no definitive answer.

So i don't agree with mid godly regen. Though i agree it having a greater durability than their AP.

You don’t get "oh he has mid godly regeneration" this type of statement. Nor do we need it when he has blatant feat.

It honestly isn't blatant(At least in my opinion). We don't even know if Kenpachi hit it there(which i don't think so as i believe it manifests later).

The slash was clean, it wouldn't get destroyed considering the size etc. It would have been slashed into two, which nothing implies in anyway.

Yes it would have greater stats than Gerard himself.

Rather than Gerard, it would scale to Kenpachi since the statement is him not being able to destroy it i guess. (Though if someone stronger tried it and failed, it would probably scale based on them).

 

[Adam1396]

Why did it not fell with the body and then heal? It manifesting there after what happens seems more likely to me.

None of it is even certain. Was it there before, or manifested later, did Kenpachi hit it there, why not reach etc etc. So many questions with no definitive answer.

So i don't agree with mid godly regen. Though i agree it having a greater durability than their AP.

It honestly isn't blatant(At least in my opinion). We don't even know if Kenpachi hit it there(which i don't think so as i believe it manifests later).

The slash was clean, it wouldn't get destroyed considering the size etc. It would have been slashed into two, which nothing implies in anyway.

Rather than Gerard, it would scale to Kenpachi since the statement is him not being able to destroy it i guess. (Though if someone stronger tried it and failed, it would probably scale based on them).

Manifesting just would make it harder to kill him. Is it your first time seeing things floating in bleach?

You are just overthinking and overcomplicating things.

It has nothing to do with mid godly regeneration. Mid godly is definitive just like gerard's own regeneration.


What point are you even making? It failed to land hit on cross??? Duh, this guy jist destroyed meteorite with shikai.

 

[MrTayman616]

Manifesting just would make it harder to kill him. Is it your first time seeing things floating in bleach?

Everything floats there. Those who don't jumps good.

You are just overthinking and overcomplicating things.

Wouldn't say "overthinking and overcomplicating".

That alone shows it's not certain. I just said that "not stated, not certain, even feats don't imply it like that. Would only imply it depending on how you see the feat."

Even the statement of weakness alone disagrees with it, as to destroy a regen, you need to destroy a greater regen. like what? lmao.

What point are you even making? It failed to land hit on cross??? Duh, this guy jist destroyed meteorite with shikai.

Ok? That means when i slice an apple in half, it will get destroyed rather than being sliced in two? But consider that i destroyed a meteorite before.

Why would him destroying a meteorite before would mean something like that? Gerard was sliced in two. It was seemingly clean and straight.

Not saying he fails to land etc, but did he even aim there (assuming it's always in the head) like exactly there etc.

In the end, everything is just full of assumptions here. Just sticking with the stated weakness until there is more info about it seems to be the best in my opinion (Would come out sooner or later as anime is like 1-2 episode away. Though dunno when they'll start releasing it again)

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Makes sense to me.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Makes sense to me.

The CRT concluded a while ago and was added

 

[MrTayman616]

Makes sense to me.

It's already added iirc.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Oh, lol.