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Katsuki Bakugo Vs Ryomen Sukuna (My Hero Academia Vs Jujutsu Kaisen)

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Katsuki Bakugo Vs Ryomen Sukuna

Joint Training Arc Bakugo will be used
Attack Potency: 711.97 Tons of TNT, 140.74 Kilotons of TNT with Howitzer Impact
Durability: 711.97 Tons of TNT
Lifting Strength: Class K

15 Finger Yujikuna will be used
Attack Potency: 1.32 Kilotons of TNT, 487.06 Kilotons of TNT with Divine Flames
Durability: 1.32 Kilotons of TNT
Lifting Strength: Class M

Fight location: Shibuya
Speed Equalized


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Fight OST:


Great Explosion Murder God Dynamight:
King of Curses: @Robo432343 @Kazuma_kuwabara @TheRustyOne @GunshyFever @Naito-desu @LaserPrecision @Arkansalter2
 
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Sukuna isnt even 2x stronger than bakugo's durability
Yeah... but it's cutting attacks. Which significantly mitigates durability due to small surface area. Dismantle is the same attack that could instantly cut the limbs off of characters who are physically stronger than him despite Dismantle scaling to him. Not to mention Cleave can cut characters into pieces that can tank his Dismantles (Like Ryu, which I linked in the comment above). Sukuna's effortlessly bisecting Bakugo with Dismantle.
 
Which significantly mitigates durability due to small surface area.
Proof for this?
Dismantle is the same attack that could instantly cut the limbs off of characters who are physically stronger than him despite Dismantle scaling to him.
Are they 2x stronger than him?
Not to mention Cleave can cut characters into pieces that can tank his Dismantles (Like Ryu, which I linked in the comment above).
Bakugo doesn’t have cursed energy. Cleave is just going to be a regular dismantle.
 
Proof for this?
That's just how cutting things work? It's the same as piercing attacks. This is like common sense. Idk what else to tell you other than look at humans cutting things tens of times, if not a hundred times above their "AP/Dura" like cutting big ass logs in half.
Are they 2x stronger than him?
Honestly, Gojo arguably is more than 2x stronger, yeah, lol. But that doesn't matter. Sukuna can dismantle characters who scale above his value. Bakugo is below his value. The person doesn't need to be 2x stronger than him. Even if they scaled to his value, he's cutting people to pieces that scale to his value.
Bakugo doesn’t have cursed energy. Cleave is just going to be a regular dismantle.
Fair enough. Tho I do think Bakugo would be treated as having CE since it's like, fundamental to both JJK's kit, and just to the existence of things in JJK. It's the same way I've seen people being assumed to have detectable Ki/Chi in Dragon Ball crossverse match-ups so Goku can do shit like sense them + Instant Transmission to and around them.
 
Sukuna also said that dismantle couldnt kill Ryu/cause a fatal damage so
Ryu is like the exception due to having the highest cursed energy output in all of Jujutsu history. Of course if anyone is going to be resilient, it's going to be him. That's just a feat for Ryu, not an anti-feat for Sukuna.
 
Ryu is like the exception due to having the highest cursed energy output in all of Jujutsu history. Of course if anyone is going to be resilient, it's going to be him. That's just a feat for Ryu, not an anti-feat for Sukuna.
Or hes simply just durable.
 
Or hes simply just durable.
Yeah... that's what resilient means... I'm confused what this has to do with what I said. Ryu has feats of being resistant to cutting damage due to his high cursed energy output, and thus resilience. That's a feat for him. Not an anti-feat to Dismantle.
 
Yeah... that's what resilient means... I'm confused what this has to do with what I said. Ryu has feats of being resistant to cutting damage due to his high cursed energy output, and thus resilience. That's a feat for him. Not an anti-feat to Dismantle.
So basically just durability. I dont get why theres an entire sentence that gets summarized to "Just durability". Unless Yuta and Yuji were also exceptions making it 3 people.
 
So basically just durability. I dont get why theres an entire sentence that gets summarized to "Just durability". Unless Yuta and Yuji were also exceptions making it 3 people.
Yuji is stated to be especially durable, yes. However, in both those cases you completely left out that Sukuna was either having his moves intentionally weakened (Against Yuji, when it was explicitly stated that Megumi was withholding his output to below 10% because he could tell Sukuna was fighting his friends), or after taking a heavy beating, getting struck in the soul numerous times, and being super weak (All of Shinjuku). But then we ignore stuff like Sukuna's dismantles being able to effortlessly chop Gojo's limbs off, even when used by someone weaker like Mahoraga. Or hell, even Sukuna easily cutting Mahoraga nearly in half despite Mahoraga being able to tank Sukuna's physical attacks with no difficulty in Shibuya. Or Yuta being able to effortlessly pierce Yuji's heart with his Katana by lightly pressing it against chest despite Yuji being physically durable enough to shrug off Yuta's hits throughout their fight.

Cutting attacks mitigating durability through small surface area is common sense. It's like asking how bullets mitigate durability when you literally have people in MHA jobbing to normal ass guns. Or Jujutsu Sorcerers jobbing to normal ass guns in JJK. You could technically even calculate how much a cutting attack can mitigate durability by calculating its surface area.
 
Yuji is stated to be especially durable, yes. However, in both those cases you completely left out that Sukuna was either having his moves intentionally weakened (Against Yuji, when it was explicitly stated that Megumi was withholding his output to below 10% because he could tell Sukuna was fighting his friends), or after taking a heavy beating, getting struck in the soul numerous times, and being super weak (All of Shinjuku). But then we ignore stuff like Sukuna's dismantles being able to effortlessly chop Gojo's limbs off, even when used by someone weaker like Mahoraga. Or hell, even Sukuna easily cutting Mahoraga nearly in half despite Mahoraga being able to tank Sukuna's physical attacks with no difficulty in Shibuya. Or Yuta being able to effortlessly pierce Yuji's heart with his Katana by lightly pressing it against chest despite Yuji being physically durable enough to shrug off Yuta's hits throughout their fight.

Cutting attacks mitigating durability through small surface area is common sense. It's like asking how bullets mitigate durability when you literally have people in MHA jobbing to normal ass guns. Or Jujutsu Sorcerers jobbing to normal ass guns in JJK. You could technically even calculate how much a cutting attack can mitigate durability by calculating its surface area.
Any scans of him being below 10% throughout the entirety of shinjuku or at all? All im seeing is bro saying theyre really durable.
 
Any scans of him being below 10% throughout the entirety of shinjuku or at all? All im seeing is bro saying theyre really durable.
I'm talking about before Shinjuku. 15 Finger Sukuna vs Maki and Yuji. He explicitly states he's being forced below 10% of his usual output due to Megumi forcing him to hold back against his friends. In Shinjuku, he was just weakened as all hell due to Gojo beating him up, and getting jumped by like 50 different people with a hundred different back-up plans. And again, these are just feats for these characters, not anti-feats for Sukuna. Why do you keep bringing up feats like this, but completely ignore both basic physics, and Sukuna's dismantle being able to cut through characters who can no-sell his normal attacks?

Sukuna's Dismantle is cutting damage. Cutting things mitigates durability due to applying the same AP over a much much smaller surface area. You can cut things beyond your own AP through sharp enough blades. Let alone something BELOW your own ap/dura. So Sukuna's cutting through Bakugo like butter. I've never seen anyone have this issue with cutting/piercing attacks in versus threads before, idk why it's becoming one only now.
 
I'm talking about before Shinjuku. 15 Finger Sukuna vs Maki and Yuji. He explicitly states he's being forced below 10% of his usual output due to Megumi forcing him to hold back against his friends. In Shinjuku, he was just weakened as all hell due to Gojo beating him up, and getting jumped by like 50 different people with a hundred different back-up plans. And again, these are just feats for these characters, not anti-feats for Sukuna. Why do you keep bringing up feats like this, but completely ignore both basic physics, and Sukuna's dismantle being able to cut through characters who can no-sell his normal attacks?

Sukuna's Dismantle is cutting damage. Cutting things mitigates durability due to applying the same AP over a much much smaller surface area. You can cut things beyond your own AP through sharp enough blades. Let alone something BELOW your own ap/dura. So Sukuna's cutting through Bakugo like butter. I've never seen anyone have this issue with cutting/piercing attacks in versus threads before, idk why it's becoming one only now.
Yeah but Im specifically talking about shinjuku arc. Specifically the first Yuta fight. Unless youre saying that Sukuna is so weakened that hes weaker than the squad raid. Also do you have a panel of Sukuna cutting off gojos limbs with dismantle? Do you have a panel of mahoraga doing it as well and not with world cutting slash?
 
Yeah but Im specifically talking about shinjuku arc. Specifically the first Yuta fight. Unless youre saying that Sukuna is so weakened that hes weaker than the squad raid. Also do you have a panel of Sukuna cutting off gojos limbs with dismantle? Do you have a panel of mahoraga doing it as well and not with world cutting slash?
Even at that point Sukuna had been weakened, so idk why that matters too much.

I should be able to find the one of Mahoraga cutting off Gojo's limb with a dismantle or even just with his blade, gimmie a minute and I'll post em here. Do you also want me to send Sukuna completely cutting through Mahoraga despite being able to easily endure Sukuna's hits.
 
Even at that point Sukuna had been weakened, so idk why that matters too much.

I should be able to find the one of Mahoraga cutting off Gojo's limb with a dismantle or even just with his blade, gimmie a minute and I'll post em here. Do you also want me to send Sukuna completely cutting through Mahoraga despite being able to easily endure Sukuna's hits.
Unless bro is just entirely weaker than the sukuna raid squad, it still matters.

You can send the panels of Gojo who is tanking Domain Amped Sukuna slashes even while not using RCT instead if you want. Honestly it looks like the only time bro lost a limb the entire fight was against WCS.
 
Unless bro is just entirely weaker than the sukuna raid squad, it still matters.
I dunno if he was ever weaker than the people in the Sukuna raid squad. Tho he did have to try harder at some points throughout it. But these are also the same characters who trained their resilience to be on Ryu's level, so I don't see much issue with that.
You can send the panels of Gojo who is tanking Domain Amped Sukuna slashes even while not using RCT instead if you want. Honestly it looks like the only time bro lost a limb the entire fight was against WCS.
You talking about when Sukuna attacked Gojo while he had Simple Domain up which caused it to break? Cuz that's the only slashes I recall him throwing. The other ones were from the Domain itself which did admittedly didn't bisect Gojo, albeit the first slash in the domain would've literally took Gojo's head off had he not used RCT. Which is also excluding the fact that Gojo is > Sukuna physically (Which obviously includes dura), and it was also confirmed every slash on Gojo wasn't shallow until he started using Falling Blossom Emotion, in which is was noted the slashes were becoming shallow as a result of him using it. Implying every slash prior was causing deep wounds that would've killed Gojo.

Anyways, after looking, Gojo didn't get a limb cut off, tho he did evade every one of Mahoraga's cuts (prior to the WCS) to avoid being cut in half by his blade (The one that got closest to hitting him split his chest open). But for whatever reason if you still think cutting attacks don't mitigate durability he's some feats of cutting doing so.

Mahoraga tanking Sukuna's punches and then cutting clean through him with Dismantle immediately after
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Mahoraga tanking a kick from Sukuna, and then having a dismantle once again cut through both him and the building they're in
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Yuji states Yuta can turn him into mincemeat with his blade despite him believing them to be physically comparable at this point in their fight
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Yuta casually stabbing Yuji in the heart with a broken blade while being held still with a casual push (Despite Yuji being able to send Yuta flying with punches, and them fighting on par throughout this battle, and Yuji verbatim steeling himself with CE)
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Naoya punching a hole into Naoya with a small dagger/knife despite Choso being able to eat his normal attacks
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Yuta cutting off Kurourushi's arm with a Katana despite Kurourushi being able to easily block Yuta's physical strikes
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Like what else could you possibly want? Do you think sharp weapons in JJK have the same exact affect as ordinary punches and that cutting attacks in JJK are hot ass and nonexistent or smth? I don't see why Sukuna being able to cut clean through someone weaker than himself is a problem when he can nearly take Gojo's head off in his Domain Expansion had he not used RCT despite Gojo being > Sukuna physically.
 
I ain't gonna vote yet, but I haven't seen any actual arguments for Bakugo. It just all feels like people being overly dismissive that CUTTING attacks mitigate durability to a certain extent (Not even calling it durability negation) as if wiki pages don't list things like piercing power or cutting power on pages. Just seems like a weird thing to get hung up on. I am leaning Sukuna, but I don't wanna cast a vote quite yet.
 
I also want to note that if people comparable in power tank slashes from eachother, that doesn't mean slashing attacks are super ineffective in that verse. It just means the person who took it is durable even across small surface areas (Or they could be made out of different materials where they were cut, which can also mitigate cutting power since different materials vary in effectiveness and dulling cutting damage).
 
I ain't gonna vote yet, but I haven't seen any actual arguments for Bakugo. It just all feels like people being overly dismissive that CUTTING attacks mitigate durability to a certain extent (Not even calling it durability negation) as if wiki pages don't list things like piercing power or cutting power on pages. Just seems like a weird thing to get hung up on. I am leaning Sukuna, but I don't wanna cast a vote quite yet.
Honestly, gonna accept this reasoning for a matchup that’s gonna happen tomorrow.

Anyways for Bakugo’s argument, what stops Bakugo from using howitzer impact on Sukuna. He does have the range advantage.
 
Honestly, gonna accept this reasoning for a matchup that’s gonna happen tomorrow.

Anyways for Bakugo’s argument, what stops Bakugo from using howitzer impact on Sukuna. He does have the range advantage.
Go for it. I'm pretty sure cutting and piercing attacks have been used as reasoning plenty in the past, so you should be good. So long as the opponent isn't like, 100x stronger or smth.

Tbh, nothing stops him from using Howitzer Impact. It's just a matter of if Bakugo is willing to use it instantly just like Sukuna is willing to do so. However, it should be noted that from a distance, Sukuna could more easily evade Howitzer Impact + Inverse Square Law will cause it's power to fall off a lot over a large distance (The calculation Howitzer Impact scales from even accounts for Inverse Square Law. At the epicenter, it's 140 Kilotons. At the distance at where it hit the cubes, it had an energy of 41 Tons). Whereas Sukuna's going to be sending completely invisible danmaku slashes at Bakugo that are pretty damn big (And can be sent out as large grids/nets). And if Bakugo does us an explosion that powerful off rip, and Sukuna dodges it, he's going to know how much of a threat Bakugo is, and will likely just open up Malevolent Shrine. In which case, Bakugo's done for.
 
Sukuna, if anything due to immortality stuff and the advantage itself like Domain Expansion / World Cutting Slash
 
Sukuna, if anything due to immortality stuff and the advantage itself like Domain Expansion / World Cutting Slash
He doesn’t have world cutting slash. None of his immortality also means anything most of the time in matchups. He dies via decapitation.
 
This fight only shows how much of a Jobber Bakugo is

Can't even defeat Sukuna, everyone can at this point

Sukuna FRA
 
Go for it. I'm pretty sure cutting and piercing attacks have been used as reasoning plenty in the past, so you should be good. So long as the opponent isn't like, 100x stronger or smth.

Tbh, nothing stops him from using Howitzer Impact. It's just a matter of if Bakugo is willing to use it instantly just like Sukuna is willing to do so. However, it should be noted that from a distance, Sukuna could more easily evade Howitzer Impact + Inverse Square Law will cause it's power to fall off a lot over a large distance (The calculation Howitzer Impact scales from even accounts for Inverse Square Law. At the epicenter, it's 140 Kilotons. At the distance at where it hit the cubes, it had an energy of 41 Tons). Whereas Sukuna's going to be sending completely invisible danmaku slashes at Bakugo that are pretty damn big (And can be sent out as large grids/nets). And if Bakugo does us an explosion that powerful off rip, and Sukuna dodges it, he's going to know how much of a threat Bakugo is, and will likely just open up Malevolent Shrine. In which case, Bakugo's done for.
I don’t see why he wouldn’t use it instantly. Considering Sukuna’s presence alone causes people to fear their own death, I don’t see why he wouldn’t do anything in his power to make sure he lands his one shot.
 
I don’t see why he wouldn’t use it instantly. Considering Sukuna’s presence alone causes people to fear their own death, I don’t see why he wouldn’t do anything in his power to make sure he lands his one shot.
I mean if we assume Sukuna's fear manipulation is going to be affecting him, he shouldn't attack at all. Sukuna's fear manip is shown to make people instinctively freeze up and bow to him to preserve their own life (Or outright run away, like Uro after feeling Sukuna's aura). I don't think it would make him more likely to use his strongest move right off the bat. In fact the opposite, that is bending completely to Sukuna's whim out of fear.

But if he does, well that's not too much a problem for the reasons I listed above for the case of if Bakugo does use the move. I guess the only other thing I left out is Sukuna having used his moves to disrupt/cancel out other techniques through sheer force (WCS against Kashimo's Electromagnetic Wave, and Piercing Water against Gojo's Blue). Which given the AP difference won't really help much, but from a distance, and by spamming Dismantles (Since he can spam tens of Dismantle's at simultaneously), he can prolly actually mitigate a lot of the attack. Though I think him dodging is much more likely.
 
This is such a one sided match. Yes, cutting/piercing attacks kind of negate durability. Even an average person can impale the strongest man in the world with a knife. Are you people sheltered or something? My head hurts reading that nonsense in this thread already. It's possible to slice off limbs of people stronger than you.

Bakugo gets barraged by slices that are over 1.8x his durability. Highly doubt Sukuna's slashes are inferior to a katana.

Bakugo has zero way of detecting/noticing Sukuna's slashes. Who can overpower all of Bakugo's attacks with his own, dodge them, or just take them. There is really no challenge for Sukuna here, who could end this fight instantly by slicing through his head with a barrage of Dismantles Bakugo cannot see.

Only reason Bakugo might last longer than a minute is because Sukuna could play around to see what Bakugo is made of. He has zero cursed energy yet generates explosions that he can use for attacks and mobility. He might find it interesting for a bit to toy with him. However, considering SBA, I doubt that'll even happen.

Sukuna's fear manipulation only works on people who can detect his strength. Bakugo isn't even going to notice that.

Bakugo's only useful attack is his strongest explosions. Which aren't going to kill Sukuna unless they hit him directly due to his regeneration. Howitzer itself is pathetic as Bakugo needs his opponent to not move. He doesn't have the ability to alter the path of his spinning in this key.

Obviously, Domain Expansion just turn Bakugo into a bloody mist. I'd mention Fuga, but I don't think it'll even get to that point.

Voting Sukuna, this should be a low difficulty win for him.
 
I guess Sukuna FRA too. You could argue Sukuna would be interested in drawing out a battle... but that's only if his opponent is powerful enough to survive literally his most basic spammable move. Tho even if he played with Bakugo, pretty sure he's outmaneuvering, and outlasting him until he lands a single Dismantle which is cutting clean through whatever it hits.
 
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