Omega Level Mutant - Marvel Retcon (X-Men 2024 #13)

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

So, as of a recent retcon in X-Men (2024) #13, due to Quentin and Xavier fighting (I'm not explaining the context behind it, I still don't like the direction Marvel took Xavier and the X-Men, but we're moving on from that) , Xavier tells Quentin that Omega Level Mutants are classified as having no upper limit to their power. Keep in mind this isn't saying later or potentially, 'having' means they currently have no upper limit. He also states that if two Omega Level Mutants were to fight, other factors would determine who wins, such as experience. Here are the related scans to my statement:

• https://i.ibb.co/vxrznZz3/Omegas-No-Upper-Limit1.jpg
• https://i.ibb.co/N6fSD8gN/Omegas-No-Upper-Limit2.jpg

So, with that being said, due to this revision of what Omega Level is classified as, I have an idea on how to approach this, but I'm open to other suggestions:

• Omegas with the same powerset should be equal to each other. As Xavier pointed out and as he showed in his fight with Quentin, fights between Omegas with the same powerset basically would be a stalemate, so they would be capable at least in terms of raw power capable of the same feats as each other. So basically all Omegas with the same powerset will be treated as equal to each other (I.E: Quentin/Xavier/Jean, Legion/MJJ/Franklin, and so on and so forth)
• Most of the outliers of them being bested or them having insane jumps in power can be explained by the fact they usually lose via experience or other factors in most case scenarios, or don't realize the true extents of their power but for fleeting moments (I.E: Iceman and the Black Winter situation) . This means Outliers that were cast aside for inconsistency need to be reevaluated because of this new classification, as under this new definition it is very possible for them to be capable of such feats.

What needs to be done that I'm unsure about what an VSBW appropriate solution is:

• The straight up 'limitless' nature of their specific powerset also needs to be evaluated as to how to structure it in the profile. It would have been one thing if they said 'no limits', but 'no upper limits' is much more specific and we can't really NLF our way out of that as a result, especially when NLFs only really work under specific circumstances (I.E: Someone tries to argue they are limitless just because the comics don't show them having limits, that's what a NLF is. It isn't the same thing as a character being stated by a in-verse reliable source as having no limits and nothing contradicting that fact, or those contradictions being explained later on as being invalid) and shouldn't be treated as a get out of jail free card whenever we see a statement we don't like, and certain Omegas (ahem Legion, Franklin, etc) all are pretty consistently referred to in comic in a way mirroring what this retcon is implying.
• We also need to reevaluate how exactly Omegas were bested in the past and be stricter about who qualifies as an Omega Level Mutant (or Beyond Omega, which wouldn't be possible under this definition to be honest) , if they were bested in terms of raw power and no circumstances explain why that was the case, they wouldn't be classified as Omega under this classification.

 

[MrKerf]

(Xavier is an Omega now? Fun.)
Interesting. However, the second scan implies that it is a fairly rare case to have as the mutants of the same power also need to be perfectly matched in power. Not that it takes anything away from the CRT itself.

According to the House of X, as late as I am up to fully, it officially listed 13 Omegas, from which in turn only two shared exact same power set (Jean and Kid Omega).

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

(Xavier is an Omega now? Fun.)
Interesting. However, the second scan implies that it is a fairly rare case to have as the mutants of the same power also need to be perfectly matched in power. Not that it takes anything away from the CRT itself.

According to the House of X, as late as I am up to fully, it officially listed 13 Omegas, from which in turn only two shared exact same power set (Jean and Kid Omega).

Yeah. Fun (internally screaming)

I am aware of that implication. Unfortunately, Hickman outright said the statement doesn't confirm only two of the same power set can exist.

I also realize it kind of says something similar thing in House of X after analyzing it for a while, but the statement Xavier said in X-Men 2024 is more direct. One discusses that their upper limit cannot be hypothetically surpassed, the other says they don't have upper limits period. In actually, this kind of means the same thing, because if your upper limit cannot be hypothetically surpassed, then no amount of 'what-ifism is going to make them surpassed, which functionally is the exact same thing as saying they have no upper limits.

Something I didn't really say in the OP is that all of the Omega level Mutants would be effectively superior to pretty much any previous depiction of those powersets that aren't specifically described as Omega Level, so they are the be all end all goats of those power-sets, but whether they actively have the knowledge/experience to utilize those powersets accordingly remains to be seen (Iceman is the in-comic example of an Omega not realizing they're Omega and unintentionally nerfing themself until they realizes such and goes ham)

 

[MrKerf]

Yeah. Fun (internally screaming)

XD

Something I didn't really say in the OP is that all of the Omega level Mutants would be effectively superior to pretty much any previous depiction of those powersets that aren't specifically described as Omega Level, so they are the be all end all goats of those power-sets, but whether they actively have the knowledge/experience to utilize those powersets accordingly remains to be seen (Iceman is the in-comic example of an Omega not realizing they're Omega and unintentionally nerfing themself until they realizes such and goes ham)

That’s… Hmm. I get the idea, obviously, but it isn’t something I am comfortable with doing yet. Having no upper limit might mean them having only potential of surpassing those non-Omega instances after all. So why wouldn’t it be, for example, just a note next to Accelerated Development?

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

XD

That’s… Hmm. I get the idea, obviously, but it isn’t something I am comfortable with doing yet. Having no upper limit might mean them having only potential of surpassing those non-Omega instances after all. So why wouldn’t it be, for example, just a note next to Accelerated Development?

Bump. While I have contentions with assuming it only applies to non-Omegas, That...That does make some sense to acknowledge, in the sense we can note the power is already there but it depends on the character how in-character it is for them to access the higher extents of their power.


So, something else someone brought to my attention who I was discussing this off-site, this isn't the only time it is stated that Omega Level Mutants are defined as having no upper limits to their mutant power (not potential, power) . Remember when Iceman went farther than he normally does and defeated the Herald of Galactus wielding the Black Winter shard ? Yeah, Bobby explicitly mentioned what being an Omega Level means, and he explicitly defines it as having no upper limit to his mutant power .


That means the definition that an Omega Level mutant having no upper limit to their mutant power is across two different continuities, so it's more consistent than the other definitions so far.