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You can suggest some in the general discussion if you want (after this match concluded)
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Gerard Valkyrie vs Arthur Boyle (8-0-6)
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Arkenis
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Despair and Adolla are one in the same, Adolla is already metaphysical housing cm2 concepts, housing info 2 and is possibly NEP. Though I should just put it outright being NEP.
Its pretty blatant its from his adolla link. The ring gives an adolla link and Arthur's ignition power is amped.
Gremmy did nothing comparable to Arthur's? This is just subjective, but Gremmy made a bunch of physical stuff while Arthur's bringing game ideas into reality and reforming himself with it. And it's not a NLF if its literally what Arthur does. He makes a story in his head to fight against his foes. Why would he NOT do so to combat Gerard?
Already explained it's not the same. Toshiro's random powernull isn't the same as Arthur believing he can cut through miracles.
But yeah overall I think the match is either incon at best or simply a mismatch.
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Bro I already have multiple threa
Wait pal. I don’t think you got what I said.
Yes. Seems justification for nep is odd. AE is kimda fine. I guess you are just making work for me.
Gremmy has better ap and hax feat for combat as well. He can imagine someone to death, even erase nep, which you can not argue for arthur and is much better wincon.
That random guy would one shot arthur factually.
Oh yes. These are literal definition of NLF.
Arkenis
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What, Adolla has been considered NEP for years lmao, it's literally about everything reaching a final point of imagination and ending and is said to not truly exist.
Idc about ap. That's just different verse scaling atp.
There's a crt for it's removal but I guess it was abandoned.
I guess we're just going off one off examples instead of consistency.
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Incon FRA
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What's your input here currently
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Seems to be an Incon due to SR.
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Suprised this match is leading to incon, been a while since like that
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Except his SR intitially complete failed to subjugate a planet tier threat and would have died if was not saved. Later was still struggling with that same threat despite all these prep.
And you belive he can somewhat deal with a character who jumped from moon to multi solar within a battle.
Simply doesn’t make sense.
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What are the current arguments?
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Miracle vs Subjective Reality
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Depends... That's essentially Gremmy Vs Gerard and Gremmy according to his powers is the strongest.
It also doesn't help that Gerard got a new weakness according to Klub outside soo that makes the matter worse.
If Arthur has the capability to break through that cross then Gerard is practically cooked (which does seems to be the case given the stats difference here).
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Arthur's subjective reality is not really as potent as Gremmy's since he's more dumber at using it
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The weakness isn’t listed. Even if it's listed, it will come along with mid godly regeneration due to complete reformation from destruction. It's similar to aizen and hogyoki case.
Stat gap isn’t relevant, gerard git hit by way stronger attacks. And his SR is nowhere near gremmy's level.
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I'd be blunt with you, the MGR you are referring to is lowkey ass and isn't immune to the weakness. The captains didn't fully destroyed the cross, just the chunks of outside body. If they did then Gerald would be biting the dust which isn't mine words mind you but Kubo's own.
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I guess Gerard would win this one. Mid-godly regeneration carries him and he also have durability negation just like Arthur, only thing that could stop him - Arthur's precognition, but I'm not sure he will be able to kill/incapacitate Gerard
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How far into the future does Arthur's precognition allow him to see?
Apollonir.Scale
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I found a great opponent for Gerard. I'll profile him and consult you.
Apollonir.Scale
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With a difference of 1 second, Toshiro was able to freeze Gerard. Is Arthur's attack that he will use as a win con something that can happen in a short time like 1 second?
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So what actually happens when Gerard eventually transforms to his 4-A key?
Or Arthur somehow manages to severely damage Hoffnung?
Or even just Sklaveri?
Or Arthur somehow manages to severely damage Hoffnung?
Or even just Sklaveri?
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Yeah pretty much a stomp/mismatch
I argued he'd develop a story in his head that Excalibur can cut through the hope.
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In such cases, EE is the best solution but I don't think bro has that soo it could get tricky.
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Arthur has his own AD amps via subjective reality + plot manip it seems
I think he resists that as every soul in Fire Force is info2 AE
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His AD is hard capped at Planet level though according to his profile.
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I think Arkenis mentioned that Arthur's subjective reality that's combo'ed with plot manip would still make himself surpass his own tier to any finite degrees. Which is why I voted incon currently
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That's fine but according his profile which is what we go off of he's hard capped at 5-B.
Incon is fine but I'm not seeing any wincins for him here at all. Gerard however can overpower him and outlast him with his vastly superior stamina.
I vote Gerard via his stamina and miracle eventually allowing him to pretty much 1 shot.
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No I didnt
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Is it a stomp? Cause Gerard starts at his moon level key. His AD doesn't activated unless he is highly damaged
Arkenis
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Arthur will do that.
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His almost whole body visibly crumbled. The whole part where the cross crumbled obviously.
And you are ignoring he completely reformed the body, not regenerated. Including brain where consciousness supposedly exist. Read his mid godly page.
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Gerard fra
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Eh may change to Gerard too cause of his sword factor. Arthur does have a chance to destroy Gerard's cross inside him which makes Gerard gg but the sword reflecting damage could make Arthur shatter if he breaks it
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