Gerard Valkyrie vs Arthur Boyle (8-0-6)

[Johner2133451]

Gerard Valkyrie

Gerard Valkyrie (ジェラルド・ヴァルキリー, Jerarudo Varukirī?) is a Quincy and a member of the Wandenreich's Sternritter with the designation "M" - The Miracle, as well as one of Yhwach's Schutzstaffel (親衛隊シュッツシュタッフェル, Shuttsushutafferu?, German for "Protective Echelon", Japanese for "Elite/Imperial...

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Arthur Boyle

Arthur Boyle is a Third Generation Fire Officer of Tokyo's 8th Special Fire Brigade. Tier: At least 7-C, higher with Superfire | Varies, up to 5-B Key: Base | Great Cataclysm & Star Ring Name: Arthur Boyle Origin: Enen no Shouboutai Gender: Male Age: 17 Classification: Human, Firefighter, Knight...

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Gerard at his moon level key: @Adam1396, @AppleMaker, @Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye, @Robo432343, @Johner2133451, @Catbowtie, @noninho, @MysticBrawler
Arthur:
Incon: @Arkenis, @CastoriceTheFifth, @Arkansalter2, @STOPAUTOFARMING, @Apotheosis69, @Naito-desu

 

[Specterxxxx]

Isn't the gap too far apart for this to be a stomp?

 

[Johner2133451]

Isn't the gap too far apart for this to be a stomp?

Gerard has his sword that reflex damage + reactive stuff

 

[Arkansalter2]

Info 2 and Plot Hax?

 

[Johner2133451]

Info 2 and Plot Hax?

I dont believe Arthur use those as first moves

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Don’t know how this fight would go but if it doesn’t work then change Arthur to Castorice since you thought it would be a decent matchup fr

 

[Johner2133451]

Don’t know how this fight would go but if it doesn’t work then change Arthur to Castorice since you thought it would be a decent matchup fr

Well I checked this thread and it seems Arthur doesn't use his fundamental haxes much

Arthur Boyle (Fire Force) vs Kai (Ninjago) [0-7-0] (GRACE ENDED)

Arthur gets into a fight with Kai Rules: Pilots-Season 16 key is used for Kai and has access to his golden Katana Great Cataclysm & Star Ring Arthur is used and has access to his sword Speed is equalized Fight takes place in the Forest of Tranquility Starting Distance: 5m Kai: @Woomica...

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[Ebihara]

We really don't see him use those hax much outside of the feats already listed.

 

[Johner2133451]

We really don't see him use those hax much outside of the feats already listed.

Who do you think would win here

 

[Arkenis]

I dont believe Arthur use those as first moves

It's effectively passive

 

[Johner2133451]

It's effectively passive

Ok but doesn't seem that effective according to the other arthur vs thread I send and Ebihara

 

[Arkenis]

Generously, I'd say this is incon with them endlessly becoming stronger than the other. Realistically, Gerard's amp is good enough Arthur's own amps won't give him the edge, Gerard's also got mid-godly regen so yeah.

 

[Arkenis]

Ok but doesn't seem that effective according to the other arthur vs thread I send and Ebihara

I guess that's subjective. The effectiveness is how Gerard makes Arthur end up perceiving each other within the fight. Gerard's miracles may make Arthur feel like he can't win or he'll become so influenced by it, he'll make his own miracles start happening.

 

[Johner2133451]

Generously, I'd say this is incon with them endlessly becoming stronger than the other. Realistically, Gerard's amp is good enough Arthur's own amps won't give him the edge, Gerard's also got mid-godly regen so yeah.

So this is an AD vs AD fight it seems. May come down to stamina which Gerard has an edge as he can fight for days while arthur only 5 hours

 

[Johner2133451]

Info 2 and Plot Hax?

Who you got currently

 

[Johner2133451]

Don’t know how this fight would go but if it doesn’t work then change Arthur to Castorice since you thought it would be a decent matchup fr

Who you got currently

 

[Arkenis]

Say Gerard starts blabbering on about how his Miracle works and how Hoffnung works, Arthur will make up an entire storyline about how Excalibur's power can cut through miracles as a way to stay in line with battling Gerard. And this is something Arthur's actually done with Dragon,

Arthur also has some goofy stuff with his ring; in the story he "realized" the star ring can give him the ability to breathe and ignore the affects of space, he can convert everyone's thoughts on Earth into power as well. I can easily see him deciding the star ring can give him the power of hope to cut through Gerard's miracles.
It's also likely Arthur's attacks if great enough like his violet earth cleaver can purify the thoughts, feelings and desires that give the miracle it's power as he purified despair from Dragon and thus the world's despair.

 

[Arkenis]

So this is an AD vs AD fight it seems. May come down to stamina which Gerard has an edge as he can fight for days while arthur only 5 hours

That's before. Arthur's not constrained by the story here, so if he sees himself battling endlessly then I see no reason he wouldn't amplify his stamina "to fight against the miracles"

 

[Johner2133451]

Say Gerard starts blabbering on about how his Miracle works and how Hoffnung works, Arthur will make up an entire storyline about how Excalibur's power can cut through miracles as a way to stay in line with battling Gerard. And this is something Arthur's actually done with Dragon,

Arthur also has some goofy stuff with his ring; in the story he "realized" the star ring can give him the ability to breathe and ignore the affects of space, he can convert everyone's thoughts on Earth into power as well. I can easily see him deciding the star ring can give him the power of hope to cut through Gerard's miracles.
It's also likely Arthur's attacks if great enough like his violet earth cleaver can purify the thoughts, feelings and desires that give the miracle it's power as he purified despair from Dragon and thus the world's despair.

I dont think it's that simple considering Toshiro tried something similar like powernulling the functions of hope itself but Gerard still broke through anyway

 

[Johner2133451]

That's before. Arthur's not constrained by the story here, so if he sees himself battling endlessly then I see no reason he wouldn't amplify his stamina "to fight against the miracles"

Hm then would Gerard's regen and sword reflecting damage can contribute somewhere?

 

[Arkenis]

I dont think it's that simple considering Toshiro tried something similar like powernulling the functions of hope itself but Gerard still broke through anyway

That depends on the nullification used. And here Arthur's imagination would be effective enough that he simply does grant Excalibur the ability to strike through his hopes.

Hm then would Gerard's regen and sword reflecting damage can contribute somewhere?

Probably. Just depends what you accept for Arthur's powers. He's connected to Adolla and should have no issue destroying the Miracle or at least nerfing it greatly through his power.
This match is literally Arthur coming in stat stomping due to SBA and making himself stronger from there. Assuming Gerard comes in at 99.7875 Exatons, Arthur's got a 8,182x diff in power here scaling to 810 Zettatons. I don't think the Miracles got the amp to deal with that, but if it does, Arthur will see Gerard's biggest form ever and think "Oh no! He's the giant from my past, the one who destroyed my village! I'll need to use Ultra Violet Excalibur to defeat him" and amp himself again or whatever story he'll think of.

 

[Johner2133451]

That depends on the nullification used. And here Arthur's imagination would be effective enough that he simply does grant Excalibur the ability to strike through his hopes.


Probably. Just depends what you accept for Arthur's powers. He's connected to Adolla and should have no issue destroying the Miracle or at least nerfing it greatly through his power.
This match is literally Arthur coming in stat stomping due to SBA and making himself stronger from there. Assuming Gerard comes in at 99.7875 Exatons, Arthur's got a 8,182x diff in power here scaling to 810 Zettatons. I don't think the Miracles got the amp to deal with that, but if it does, Arthur will see Gerard's biggest form ever and think "Oh no! He's the giant from my past, the one who destroyed my village! I'll need to use Ultra Violet Excalibur to defeat him" and amp himself again or whatever story he'll think of.

The Miracle seems to function on a metaphysical level according to the profile (not sure why this isn't on Gerard's)

• The Miracle:
  • Regeneration (Mid-Godly), Immortality (Type 3 & 8), Large Size (Type 2), Reactive Power Level, Transformation, Probability Manipulation, Breath Attack, Air Manipulation, Size Manipulation, Limited Conceptual Manipulation (Type 3), Limited Reality Warping, Damage Reflection & Durability Negation (Yhwach can manifest the fears of the masses like fear of not being able to destroy his body into reality. His power works by turning any and all damage, lethal included, into size and power. Yhwach can regenerate from his head being blown up, sliced vertically in half, and having his body crumpled apart and can create a new one for himself. He can transform and become stronger through taking damage and healing. This transformation additionally allows Yhwach to change his size to become larger than buildings and shout powerful gusts of air. Yhwach can use The Miracle to make the impossible possible. Hoffnung contains all of the "hope" together in a literal sense)

Actually when Gerard fought the captains, he was only multi continental. But after getting damaged, his power jumps into multi solar system so it wont be suprising that his power would overcome Arthur's

For now, I'll vote incon as well unless additional inputs is given

 

[Arkenis]

The Miracle seems to function on a metaphysical level according to the profile (not sure why this isn't on Gerard's)

• The Miracle:
  • Regeneration (Mid-Godly), Immortality (Type 3 & 8), Large Size (Type 2), Reactive Power Level, Transformation, Probability Manipulation, Breath Attack, Air Manipulation, Size Manipulation, Limited Conceptual Manipulation (Type 3), Limited Reality Warping, Damage Reflection & Durability Negation (Yhwach can manifest the fears of the masses like fear of not being able to destroy his body into reality. His power works by turning any and all damage, lethal included, into size and power. Yhwach can regenerate from his head being blown up, sliced vertically in half, and having his body crumpled apart and can create a new one for himself. He can transform and become stronger through taking damage and healing. This transformation additionally allows Yhwach to change his size to become larger than buildings and shout powerful gusts of air. Yhwach can use The Miracle to make the impossible possible. Hoffnung contains all of the "hope" together in a literal sense)

Actually when Gerard fought the captains, he was only multi continental. But after getting damaged, his power jumps into multi solar system so it wont be suprising that his power would overcome Arthur's

For now, I'll vote incon as well unless additional inputs is given

Despair in FF is above this being CM 2, AE 1, Info 2, and potentially NEP.

 

[Johner2133451]

Despair in FF is above this being CM 2, AE 1, Info 2, and potentially NEP.

Does this physiology applies to everyone in fire force?

 

[Arkenis]

Does this physiology applies to everyone in fire force?

Just the souls.

 

[Johner2133451]

Just the souls.

I feel like something like this should be listed in every character's profile or people would miss it

 

[Arkenis]

I feel like something like this should be listed in every character's profile or people would miss it

Yeah ngl I did this with SE the focus for it and got uninterested in updating FF afterwards so that's somewhat on me. This mostly applies to characters hax or purification like Arthur has though. I should've put a warning on the FF profiles though.

 

[Adam1396]

The extent of arthur's plot manipulation (which is even rated as possibly), info hax is not doing anything here. Man had gone through so much to beat dragon who basically just punches hard.

When you make Gerard's match, at least use someone who is on his paygrade or posses some bs hax.

 

[Johner2133451]

The extent of arthur's plot manipulation (which is even rated as possibly), info hax is not doing anything here. Man had gone through so much to beat dragon who basically just punches hard.

When you make Gerard's match, at least use someone who is on his paygrade or posses some bs hax.

Well Arthur's haxes seems pretty high according to Arkenis

Say Gerard starts blabbering on about how his Miracle works and how Hoffnung works, Arthur will make up an entire storyline about how Excalibur's power can cut through miracles as a way to stay in line with battling Gerard. And this is something Arthur's actually done with Dragon,

Arthur also has some goofy stuff with his ring; in the story he "realized" the star ring can give him the ability to breathe and ignore the affects of space, he can convert everyone's thoughts on Earth into power as well. I can easily see him deciding the star ring can give him the power of hope to cut through Gerard's miracles.
It's also likely Arthur's attacks if great enough like his violet earth cleaver can purify the thoughts, feelings and desires that give the miracle it's power as he purified despair from Dragon and thus the world's despair.

 

[Arkenis]

The extent of arthur's plot manipulation (which is even rated as possibly), info hax is not doing anything here. Man had gone through so much to beat dragon who basically just punches hard.

When you make Gerard's match, at least use someone who is on his paygrade or posses some bs hax.

Yeah that's the story of the Knight King and the Dragon. It's way different than what this fight could be.

And it being possibly plot manip may not matter. It's bare minimum reality warping higher than the Miracles.

 

[Adam1396]

Well Arthur's haxes seems pretty high according to Arkenis

You want me to go off what he said or what's on site.
Based on site it is a completely one sided match.

Based on what he said, arthur literally struggled to deal with a haxless planetary level threat. Gerard is far from that.
As for purification, it can affect negative aspect like despair. Miracle as a whole concept is irrelevant to any type of thought process and can use even arthur's thought if we are going to accept it's relevant.

While I agree for most of the part about soul physiology. I think the verse is under rework, or may be it's connection with soul eater made everything messed up.
But it's good to see banshoman getting to tier 2.

 

[Apotheosis69]

Considering nothing in the OP says anything about his Plot Manipulation, it's allowed through SBA.

And we know Plot Manip is pretty much Reality Warping on Steroids. He also does have Subjective Reality too...

What can Gerard do to that?

 

[Arkenis]

As for purification, it can affect negative aspect like despair. Miracle as a whole concept is irrelevant to any type of thought process and can use even arthur's thought if we are going to accept it's relevant.

Right but despair isn't merely despair, it's literally part of Adolla and this is already them interacting with cm2 and ae 1 and info 2.

 

[Arkenis]

Based on what he said, arthur literally struggled to deal with a haxless planetary level threat.

He's not "haxless" the hax just aren't blatantly combat bs. Him being able to partially wear doppleganger skin makes affecting him require you to touch souls.

 

[Johner2133451]

Considering nothing in the OP says anything about his Plot Manipulation, it's allowed through SBA.

And we know Plot Manip is pretty much Reality Warping on Steroids. He also does have Subjective Reality too...

What can Gerard do to that?

Probably his probability manipulation which makes the impossible possible. Also it's not highly potent like Luffy gear 5 subjective reality

 

[Adam1396]

Considering nothing in the OP says anything about his Plot Manipulation, it's allowed through SBA.

And we know Plot Manip is pretty much Reality Warping on Steroids. He also does have Subjective Reality too...

What can Gerard do to that?

Application matters. Be better.

Right but despair isn't merely despair, it's literally part of Adolla and this is already them interacting with cm2 and ae 1 and info 2.

I know. I am also FF fan well versed on the verse. On SE as well.
But the purification in question affected target's despair, which is connected to earth. You can argue at most type 3.

Honestly I don’t get why people think it's ring or ex caliber's things, even these equipment's power comes from his subjective reality technically.

He's not "haxless" the hax just aren't blatantly combat bs. Him being able to partially wear doppleganger skin makes affecting him require you to touch souls.

As you have said, he is haxless in combat

Probably his probability manipulation which makes the impossible possible. Also it's not highly potent like Luffy gear 5 subjective reality

Gerard's miracle's feat is greater than arthur's plot and subjective reality feats.
Arthur somewhat lacks imagination or just his power is limited.
For instance, ignoring stats look at gremmy's subjective reality. It's far more effective in combat.

 

[Arkenis]

But the purification in question affected target's despair, which is connected to earth. You can argue at most type 3.

No? It's all connected.

Honestly I don’t get why people think it's ring or ex caliber's things, even these equipment's power comes from his subjective reality technically.

Where else would it come from? It's a basic ring, how did it acquire it's abilities?

As you have said, he is haxless in combat

Doesn't change he's still haxxed.

Gerard's miracle's feat is greater than arthur's plot and subjective reality feats.

Yeah going off one fight sure, but he has the potential for endless reality warped abilities.

Arthur somewhat lacks imagination or just his power is limited.

He doesn't need much imagination to think "I can cut hope"

 

[Adam1396]

No? It's all connected.


Where else would it come from? It's a basic ring, how did it acquire it's abilities?


Doesn't change he's still haxxed.


Yeah going off one fight sure, but he has the potential for endless reality warped abilities.


He doesn't need much imagination to think "I can cut hope"

Even if it's connected, the feat in question can get at most type, if it gets accepted.

That's exactly what I am saying. People have misunderstanding about this. And I saw arthur's justification through ring, through ex caliber.

Doesn’t help in combat. What's the point?

That's what is NLF. Even for gremmy who did lot better than this.

He got hope, miracle both cut off. He just came back stronger like "I am much more bs than this"

 

[Johner2133451]

Even if it's connected, the feat in question can get at most type, if it gets accepted.

That's exactly what I am saying. People have misunderstanding about this. And I saw arthur's justification through ring, through ex caliber.

Doesn’t help in combat. What's the point?

That's what is NLF. Even for gremmy who did lot better than this.

He got hope, miracle both cut off. He just came back stronger like "I am much more bs than this"

Do you wanna cast your vote?

 

[Adam1396]

Do you wanna cast your vote?

I already casted my vote for gerard.
Bro try to make better match ups. At least some that would be fun to argue.