Adam (Record Of Ragnarok) VS Boboiboy! R1M2 of Reaper Hates Life Tourney (7-1-0) GRACE BUT DQED

[Razor]

According to another knowledgeable member of RoR, what you have said above is not something Adam would ever resort to doing:





So, there is an issue with the way you portray how Adam would fight in this match up, Adam would not use TFTST in this manner at all it being very out-of-character for him to do, he can't sense Boboiboy or see him from that far for him to engage with Boboiboy, as well as the fact Adam would not fight like that.

I haven't seen a clip you've sent where BBB range spams that is out of a person's vision. He range spams but he spams from a visible range. And even if he goes out of visible range he comes back.

We have a grand total of 2 fights we've seen Adam in and one of them lasted a single panel. It was already discussed that how Adam would act is largely unknown up against an opponent he can't copy. That said, I fail to see him just standing there as BBB just spams danmaku at him from a distance.

Adam has never used TFTST right off the bat, but he has also never fought against an opponent like BBB, which you also agree with earlier, statting that BBB's abilities put the god's of RoR themselves to shame.

The likelihood that he does use TFTST rather than doing his standard tactic of waiting or dodging makes no sense at all, he's not fighting a brawler like Zeus or a CQC fighter like the serpent, he's fighting a range spammer, so ofc he'll fight differently.

I'm also curious as to why you don't just ask him to go in this thread, so that we could all converse. For all I know there could be some hidden context behind your conversation I could clear up.

Adam would be able to see BBB and use it. It's also weird to say "he doesn't fight like that" when in the same fight he got TFTST he died shortly afterwards.

 

[Razor]

I haven't seen a clip you've sent where BBB range spams that is out of a person's vision. He range spams but he spams from a visible range. And even if he goes out of visible range he comes back.

We have a grand total of 2 fights we've seen Adam in and one of them lasted a single panel. It was already discussed that how Adam would act is largely unknown up against an opponent he can't copy. That said, I fail to see him just standing there as BBB just spams danmaku at him from a distance.

Adam has never used TFTST right off the bat, but he has also never fought against an opponent like BBB, which you also agree with earlier, statting that BBB's abilities put the god's of RoR themselves to shame.

The likelihood that he does use TFTST rather than doing his standard tactic of waiting or dodging makes no sense at all, he's not fighting a brawler like Zeus or a CQC fighter like the serpent, he's fighting a range spammer, so ofc he'll fight differently.

I'm also curious as to why you don't just ask him to go in this thread, so that we could all converse. For all I know there could be some hidden context behind your conversation I could clear up.

Adam would be able to see BBB and use it. It's also weird to say "he doesn't fight like that" when in the same fight he got TFTST he died shortly afterwards.

Just checked the thread where you asked PowerToScale the question, and I find your framing of the question to be a bit disingenous.

1. You neglected to mention that BBB will (apparently) spam range from a distance. You just asked if Adam is willing to use TFTST to punch someone from 4 kilometers away. Of course, if BBB just stood 4 kilometers away from Adam and didn't do anything, then PowerToScale would be correct in saying that using TFTST from such a distance isn't in character. But since BBB would range spam then Adam would use TFTST like that to cover the distance. His whole "Wait for his opponent then dodge tactic" worked against Zeus because Zeus was a brawler and also because he could copy Zeus' ability, so he needed Zeus to show his bag to Adam so Adam couldd copy it in return. Since he cannot copy BBB's powers this tactic is completely thrown out of the window and he would just go for the most efficient strike as possible, since keeping BBB alive for long wouldn't do any good for Adam and like I previously said BBB is not a brawler so just dodging around won't be a good tactic.

2. You haven't shown any clips suggesting that range spamming 4 kilometers away is something in character with BBB anyways. For one, a few times in the clips you sent he just straight up doesn't range spam at all and goes for CQC instead. The times he does range spam he isn't even a kilometer away from his opponent, much less 4 kilometers. If BBB is range spamming, it would make no sense to leave Adam out of his sight, and if BBB could see Adam then Adam could also see BBB, meaning he's open toTFTST.

3. Also, as PowerToScale said, there are no limitations even hinted at that TFTST cannot be used to cover long distances. So I hope that wraps up that part of your argument.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Just checked the thread where you asked PowerToScale the question, and I find your framing of the question to be a bit disingenous.

I did not alter what you said, I practically copy and pasted our exchange.

I haven't seen a clip you've sent where BBB range spams that is out of a person's vision. He range spams but he spams from a visible range. And even if he goes out of visible range he comes back.

Buried a robot without being seen by the enemy beforehand. If you are going to push the fact that he will be seen doing so, do not forget that the human eye's range of sight on a clear day is 3 miles, and even if he can see Boboiboy doing these ranged attacks, Boboiboy would look like a speck of dust from his POV due to how far it is even when the distance is less than 500 meters, and from his perspective this how it looks like IF Boboiboy really decided to charge at him with melee attacks not within Adam's line of sight. (it is also not like he can tell where Boboiboy would strike from as well, he has no experience dealing with opponents that can attack him from any direction at any time, let alone 3 of them doing so at the same time). Also, Boboiboy can just blind Adam with this which is potent enough to block out highly advanced scannners.

We have a grand total of 2 fights we've seen Adam in and one of them lasted a single panel. It was already discussed that how Adam would act is largely unknown up against an opponent he can't copy. That said, I fail to see him just standing there as BBB just spams danmaku at him from a distance.

So and so, but we don't make assumptions of what would otherwise be too out-of-character for him to do, what you described from before more or so falls in line with what Zeus WILL do. But Adam has a different attitude than Zeus when it comes to fighting and so would not attempt a manuevere so drastic. I can see him dodging like normally and attempt to punch his way out, maybe resorting to TFTST when he gets quite desperate, but if he just suddenly knocks out 1 of Boboiboy's elements in an instant, Boboiboy is just going to play it safe and just remain in the air. to which Adam has no options to deal with.

Adam has never used TFTST right off the bat, but he has also never fought against an opponent like BBB, which you also agree with earlier, statting that BBB's abilities put the god's of RoR themselves to shame.

Yep.

The likelihood that he does use TFTST rather than doing his standard tactic of waiting or dodging makes no sense at all, he's not fighting a brawler like Zeus or a CQC fighter like the serpent, he's fighting a range spammer, so ofc he'll fight differently.

Yes.

I'm also curious as to why you don't just ask him to go in this thread, so that we could all converse. For all I know there could be some hidden context behind your conversation I could clear up.

I mean you can just go here, I doubt he wants to participate in this Vs thread: https://vsbattles.com/threads/record-of-ragnarok-discussion-thread-1.56430/page-72#post-7104482

Adam would be able to see BBB and use it. It's also weird to say "he doesn't fight like that" when in the same fight he got TFTST he died shortly afterwards.

You may need to rephrase this, I got confused by what you meant.

1. You neglected to mention that BBB will (apparently) spam range from a distance. You just asked if Adam is willing to use TFTST to punch someone from 4 kilometers away. Of course, if BBB just stood 4 kilometers away from Adam and didn't do anything, then PowerToScale would be correct in saying that using TFTST from such a distance isn't in character. But since BBB would range spam then Adam would use TFTST like that to cover the distance. His whole "Wait for his opponent then dodge tactic" worked against Zeus because Zeus was a brawler and also because he could copy Zeus' ability, so he needed Zeus to show his bag to Adam so Adam couldd copy it in return. Since he cannot copy BBB's powers this tactic is completely thrown out of the window and he would just go for the most efficient strike as possible, since keeping BBB alive for long wouldn't do any good for Adam and like I previously said BBB is not a brawler so just dodging around won't be a good tactic.

Fair point. I should have been more specific with the context.

2. You haven't shown any clips suggesting that range spamming 4 kilometers away is something in character with BBB anyways. For one, a few times in the clips you sent he just straight up doesn't range spam at all and goes for CQC instead. The times he does range spam he isn't even a kilometer away from his opponent, much less 4 kilometers. If BBB is range spamming, it would make no sense to leave Adam out of his sight, and if BBB could see Adam then Adam could also see BBB, meaning he's open toTFTST.

Well, I given up on this one, because 4 KMs away is basically Post-Power Upgrade. This Boboiboy only has 1 KM+ of AOE range (lightning sword rain, sandstorm and cyclone).

3. Also, as PowerToScale said, there are no limitations even hinted at that TFTST cannot be used to cover long distances. So I hope that wraps up that part of your argument.

Yep, most certainly have, but it seems Adam would not use TFTST to as much as the extent as you said prior either way.

 

[Razor]

I did not alter what you said, I practically copy and pasted our exchange.

Buried a robot without being seen by the enemy beforehand. If you are going to push the fact that he will be seen doing so, do not forget that the human eye's range of sight on a clear day is 3 miles, and even if he can see Boboiboy doing these ranged attacks, Boboiboy would look like a speck of dust from his POV due to how far it is even when the distance is less than 500 meters, and from his perspective this how it looks like IF Boboiboy really decided to charge at him with melee attacks not within Adam's line of sight. (it is also not like he can tell where Boboiboy would strike from as well, he has no experience dealing with opponents that can attack him from any direction at any time, let alone 3 of them doing so at the same time). Also, Boboiboy can just blind Adam with this which is potent enough to block out highly advanced scannners.

So and so, but we don't make assumptions of what would otherwise be too out-of-character for him to do, what you described from before more or so falls in line with what Zeus WILL do. But Adam has a different attitude than Zeus when it comes to fighting and so would not attempt a manuevere so drastic. I can see him dodging like normally and attempt to punch his way out, maybe resorting to TFTST when he gets quite desperate, but if he just suddenly knocks out 1 of Boboiboy's elements in an instant, Boboiboy is just going to play it safe and just remain in the air. to which Adam has no options to deal with.

Yep.

Yes.

I mean you can just go here, I doubt he wants to participate in this Vs thread: https://vsbattles.com/threads/record-of-ragnarok-discussion-thread-1.56430/page-72#post-7104482

You may need to rephrase this, I got confused by what you meant.


Fair point. I should have been more specific with the context.

Well, I given up on this one, because 4 KMs away is basically Post-Power Upgrade. This Boboiboy only has 1 KM+ of AOE range (lightning sword rain, sandstorm and cyclone).

Yep, most certainly have, but it seems Adam would not use TFTST to as much as the extent as you said prior either way.

My bad, disingenous wasn't the right word. But I just found it odd that you left out some pretty important context, though you've admitted it was a mistake so its all good.

That is not at all what I was referring to. He didn't range spam there. The robot flew from the sky and he merely trapped it. He wasn't even a kilometer away from the robot when he did that. You kinda contradicted your own argument? You pointed out that the human eye's range of sight is 3 miles, and then went on to say in the same comment that BBB in this matchup only has 1 KM+ of AOE range meaning Adam would be able to see him.

No it wouldn't, he would see him approaching like how an average person would see another person approaching. Idk if you keep forgetting or not cause you keep dismissing this fact in your arguments but speed is equalized. BBB has a speed amp in one of his forms and so does Adam. BBB is not just gonna bltiz Adam out of nowhere.

True, he does not have experience with three characters coming at him from multiple directions. Which makes the likelihood that he uses TFTST even higher.

It's just a bunch of dust. Zeus, and by extension Adam, can generate winds with their attacks. So Adam can just blow it out, or just get out of it's effective range. And it's a move that requires charging from what it looks like, Adam can simply not let it happen by attacking BBB.

I am curious what your argument is, on why you think using TFTST relatively early on is out of character for Adam. I do agree that against a normal character he wouldn't use TFTST right off the bat. But BBB's starting move is to clone himself and either range spam or rush in with his three clones. All of the clones each have unique elemental powers and wide range attacks. What do you think Adam would do in the face of that? The reason dodging was his main tactic against Zeus was because hee could copy Zeus' moves so logically it would be beneficial for him to wait until Zeus has shown his moveset so Adam could copy it and use it against him later on, which exactly what he did. Against BBB who not only has crazy stuff but also can't be copied by Adam, there is genuinely no reaosn Adam wouldn't start off with his strongest move, as it is the safest bet, and there is no drawback either.

Two problems with that argument. 1. If BBB clones himself thrice, it makes no sense for Adam to stop at 1 clone. If he had already decided to use TFTST, he'll just take out all 3 of them. 2. Like we've previously discussed, range spamming is already pretty rare for BBB to resort to. Whats even rarer is him camping up the sky. He does look like he range spams a few times, but in times he does he never camps. He range spams then goes back to CQC, even when his opponent hasn't been defeated yet.

What I am saying is; if your argument for Adam not using TFTST right off the bat is that he has never done so in the manga, then it isn't really a valid argument because it is impossible for him to have done so. In the same match he obtained TFTST he died later on, even if Adam using TFTST was in character right off the bat, he could not have ever used it in the beginning of the match.

If there's still any doubt on how Adam fights. In his other fight (The other one being against Zeus) he immediately one shotted his opponent. In fact he didn't even take the time to dodge the serpent's attack. The moment he could copy his claws he immediately killed him. The only reason he didn't do so against Zeus was because he had no move that could one shot Zeus or that would be useful as a starting move against him like with the serpent and the claws. So it was in Adam's benefit to just dodge and wait until Zeus gives him a good move to use.

 

[Greatsage13th]

My bad, disingenous wasn't the right word. But I just found it odd that you left out some pretty important context, though you've admitted it was a mistake so its all good.

Alrighty.

That is not at all what I was referring to. He didn't range spam there.

You wanted ranged options done without being seen yes?

The robot flew from the sky and he merely trapped it.

Flew from the sky? Adam will be caught in the same trap anyways, easier even since he lacks the mobility to avoid it. Nothing stops Boboiboy from simply having a full blown discussion with himselves on how to approach Adam anyways, so a burial trap would not be out of the question.

He wasn't even a kilometer away from the robot when he did that. You kinda contradicted your own argument? You pointed out that the human eye's range of sight is 3 miles, and then went on to say in the same comment that BBB in this matchup only has 1 KM+ of AOE range meaning Adam would be able to see him.

See him how? Adam can't see him without some kind of enhanced senses that turns his eyes into a scope of a sniper rifle. You want a kilometer wide AOE? Here's proof of it:



This one although not ranged, still caused an shockwave that proceeded to shake even the space ship that remained in the sky as a side effect of the collision.

I'd like to say the only AOE that Boboiboy has, that has been SHOWN to extend beyond a km are: lightning sword rain and wind manipulation (but this one was forcibly dispersed due to a much stronger wind acting on it)

No it wouldn't, he would see him approaching like how an average person would see another person approaching. Idk if you keep forgetting or not cause you keep dismissing this fact in your arguments but speed is equalized.

I'll just explain this to you real quick, COMBAT speed is equalized but that means a person's TRAVEL speed can either be slower or faster than the other. In this case, Boboiboy could zip around Adam like the Flash even when their combat speed is equal as his travel speed is much higher than Adam's.

BBB has a speed amp in one of his forms and so does Adam. BBB is not just gonna bltiz Adam out of nowhere.

Except Adam's speed amp is locked behind a technique that he would not use right off the bat. So, yes. He will blitz Adam first before the latter does the same.

True, he does not have experience with three characters coming at him from multiple directions. Which makes the likelihood that he uses TFTST even higher.

Consider the fact that he (preferably; most likely; be disgusted with himself and hence-) would not try to murder children en masse when he is in this specific situation.

It's just a bunch of dust. Zeus, and by extension Adam, can generate winds with their attacks. So Adam can just blow it out, or just get out of it's effective range. And it's a move that requires charging from what it looks like, Adam can simply not let it happen by attacking BBB.

Problem is it took THIS much wind to counter Boboiboy's own:



Adam's own attacks never produced such much turbulence. Also, as mentioned above, boboiboy can preplan the wind dust before Adam has a chance to stop him, via board meeting.

I am curious what your argument is, on why you think using TFTST relatively early on is out of character for Adam. I do agree that against a normal character he wouldn't use TFTST right off the bat. But BBB's starting move is to clone himself and either range spam or rush in with his three clones. All of the clones each have unique elemental powers and wide range attacks. What do you think Adam would do in the face of that? The reason dodging was his main tactic against Zeus was because hee could copy Zeus' moves so logically it would be beneficial for him to wait until Zeus has shown his moveset so Adam could copy it and use it against him later on, which exactly what he did. Against BBB who not only has crazy stuff but also can't be copied by Adam, there is genuinely no reaosn Adam wouldn't start off with his strongest move, as it is the safest bet, and there is no drawback either.

One, he is not fighting a god this time. Two, his love for humans SPECIFICALLY is a huge pain the bum for him in this match up and contradicts with he normally fights for. I personally do not believe he would commit child homicide in a flash just to win this match, there would most certainly be internal conflict.

Two problems with that argument. 1. If BBB clones himself thrice, it makes no sense for Adam to stop at 1 clone. If he had already decided to use TFTST, he'll just take out all 3 of them. 2. Like we've previously discussed, range spamming is already pretty rare for BBB to resort to. Whats even rarer is him camping up the sky. He does look like he range spams a few times, but in times he does he never camps. He range spams then goes back to CQC, even when his opponent hasn't been defeated yet.

One, the technique is called The Fist That Surpasses Time, that's singular not plural. Two, Boboiboy's combat functions more differently in a group where there will be a attacks and supports given to each other, its a coordinated effort, Adam knocking one of them out will make Boboiboy(s) very weary that it happened in a blink of an eye, that he will stay airborne for the rest of it and win the match alltogether as a result.

What I am saying is; if your argument for Adam not using TFTST right off the bat is that he has never done so in the manga, then it isn't really a valid argument because it is impossible for him to have done so. In the same match he obtained TFTST he died later on, even if Adam using TFTST was in character right off the bat, he could not have ever used it in the beginning of the match.

Previous point still stands on the fact he is fighting a human child, he is not gonna instakill a child in a flash with TFTST right off the bat. If he will, that would be much much later on (which is very questionable still), which is too late for him by that point.

If there's still any doubt on how Adam fights. In his other fight (The other one being against Zeus) he immediately one shotted his opponent. In fact he didn't even take the time to dodge the serpent's attack. The moment he could copy his claws he immediately killed him. The only reason he didn't do so against Zeus was because he had no move that could one shot Zeus or that would be useful as a starting move against him like with the serpent and the claws. So it was in Adam's benefit to just dodge and wait until Zeus gives him a good move to use.

Nope, this one I understand very much. The problem arises when he CAN'T copy his opponents which is when we will ask so many questions.

 

[Razor]

Alrighty.

You wanted ranged options done without being seen yes?

Flew from the sky? Adam will be caught in the same trap anyways, easier even since he lacks the mobility to avoid it. Nothing stops Boboiboy from simply having a full blown discussion with himselves on how to approach Adam anyways, so a burial trap would not be out of the question.

See him how? Adam can't see him without some kind of enhanced senses that turns his eyes into a scope of a sniper rifle. You want a kilometer wide AOE? Here's proof of it:



This one although not ranged, still caused an shockwave that proceeded to shake even the space ship that remained in the sky as a side effect of the collision.

I'd like to say the only AOE that Boboiboy has, that has been SHOWN to extend beyond a km are: lightning sword rain and wind manipulation (but this one was forcibly dispersed due to a much stronger wind acting on it)

I'll just explain this to you real quick, COMBAT speed is equalized but that means a person's TRAVEL speed can either be slower or faster than the other. In this case, Boboiboy could zip around Adam like the Flash even when their combat speed is equal as his travel speed is much higher than Adam's.

Except Adam's speed amp is locked behind a technique that he would not use right off the bat. So, yes. He will blitz Adam first before the latter does the same.

Consider the fact that he (preferably; most likely; be disgusted with himself and hence-) would not try to murder children en masse when he is in this specific situation.

Problem is it took THIS much wind to counter Boboiboy's own:



Adam's own attacks never produced such much turbulence. Also, as mentioned above, boboiboy can preplan the wind dust before Adam has a chance to stop him, via board meeting.

One, he is not fighting a god this time. Two, his love for humans SPECIFICALLY is a huge pain the bum for him in this match up and contradicts with he normally fights for. I personally do not believe he would commit child homicide in a flash just to win this match, there would most certainly be internal conflict.

One, the technique is called The Fist That Surpasses Time, that's singular not plural. Two, Boboiboy's combat functions more differently in a group where there will be a attacks and supports given to each other, its a coordinated effort, Adam knocking one of them out will make Boboiboy(s) very weary that it happened in a blink of an eye, that he will stay airborne for the rest of it and win the match alltogether as a result.

Previous point still stands on the fact he is fighting a human child, he is not gonna instakill a child in a flash with TFTST right off the bat. If he will, that would be much much later on (which is very questionable still), which is too late for him by that point.

Nope, this one I understand very much. The problem arises when he CAN'T copy his opponents which is when we will ask so many questions.

One that would apply to Adam, preferably? It isn't even Danmaku or AoE. It's sealing. Adam won't get caught in it. Where is this "he doesn't have the mobility to avoid it"? And what, Adam would sit and wait for their conversation to end?

Didn't you literally just state the range of sight of a person is 3 miles. 3 miles > 1 Km I'm pretty sure. I wasn't asking for a kilometer wide AoE, rather an AoE spam from a kilometer away. But that suffices.

Brother what? BBB's travel speed is literally athletic human in his profile: " Athletic Human with Massively FTL+ reactions and attack speed (comparable to his original series self), higher in First Tier Elements (could keep up with Probe, who is as fast as, if not faster than Adu Du's spaceship. Could stop full speed Rocktaroka), higher Second Tier Elements (reacted to Retak'ka and his assaults, but was overall slower), far higher with Elemental Fusions (Faster than all his other transformations. BoBoiBoy Supra could blitz Retak'ka)"

The whole argument with Adam loving humanity and whatnot is moot here. He loves humans but would do something if a kid hurls thousands of lightning swords and other crazy shit at him. Via SBA; "who they have to assume wish to cause them severe harm such that losing could have any range of dire consequences." This whole appealing to his morals doesn't work here, he will literally die if he doesn't take it seriously. Him fighting a god doesn't matter either, thats just how he fights. He blatantly says he bears no hatred for the gods.

That's not even the same move? Plus there's no indication it requires that much, it just so happens that that amount was able to disperse the dust. It doesn't seem like an opener anyways.

One, I imagine hitting multiple targets with a singular punch isn't impossible. Two, he can use TFTST multiple times, in fact after Adamas, Zeus' punches are stronger and faster than they were before, and Adam dodge these effortlessly and threw punches stronger, clashed for an extended period of time. Adam won't take out one and then BBB instantly reacts. He uses TFTST to drop them all down, consecutively, if not simultaneously.

Again, appealing to his morals won't work when this child is similarly out to kill him. Also on that note, does BBB himself have no morals? Like damn, danmaku off rip against a human opponent? Thats pretty brutal lol.

Then he uses whatever move he has that is most efficient for dealing with his enemy. Like he does with the serpent.

One last thing. Is it not possible for Adam to assume BBB might not even be human in the first place? Gods in RoR generally have human like appearances, some just look full on human, just with equipment and unique clothing. Zeus, Hades, Heracles, Loki, Odin, Apollo, Beel, Susanoo, Aphoridte etc.

Probably my last comment for the day as it is getting pretty late where I'm at.

 

[Greatsage13th]

One that would apply to Adam, preferably? It isn't even Danmaku or AoE. It's sealing. Adam won't get caught in it. Where is this "he doesn't have the mobility to avoid it"? And what, Adam would sit and wait for their conversation to end?

They are 4 km away from each other at the start, Adam would not know where Boboiboy is but Boboiboy would find him first before the former does the same. I'm also specifically targetting the fact that Adam would not have an immediate response to falling into a hole that suddenly emerges beneath him.

Didn't you literally just state the range of sight of a person is 3 miles. 3 miles > 1 Km I'm pretty sure. I wasn't asking for a kilometer wide AoE, rather an AoE spam from a kilometer away. But that suffices.

Alrighty

Brother what? BBB's travel speed is literally athletic human in his profile: " Athletic Human with Massively FTL+ reactions and attack speed (comparable to his original series self), higher in First Tier Elements (could keep up with Probe, who is as fast as, if not faster than Adu Du's spaceship. Could stop full speed Rocktaroka), higher Second Tier Elements (reacted to Retak'ka and his assaults, but was overall slower), far higher with Elemental Fusions (Faster than all his other transformations. BoBoiBoy Supra could blitz Retak'ka)"

Should have worded it better, but read the bolded parts:
Speed: Athletic Human (BoBoiBoy has shown extreme athletic prowess, being one of the best football players in his school. BoBoiBoy is also significantly fast, being able to cross large distances in a relatively short time) with Massively FTL+ reactions and attack speed (Comparable to Ying. Could keep up with Probe), higher in First Tier Elements (superior to Probe, who can outspeed Bago Go's lasers, which are comparable to his spaceships' speed), even higher in Second Tier Elements (could react to and block Bago Go's attacks).

Essentially his 1st tier elements alone is superior to Probe in speed who can outspeed MFTL+ lasers.

Btw, look what happened to Probe when he tried to fight Boboiboy's 2nd tier element anyways, he got blitzed to heck and back:

The whole argument with Adam loving humanity and whatnot is moot here. He loves humans but would do something if a kid hurls thousands of lightning swords and other crazy shit at him. Via SBA; "who they have to assume wish to cause them severe harm such that losing could have any range of dire consequences." This whole appealing to his morals doesn't work here, he will literally die if he doesn't take it seriously. Him fighting a god doesn't matter either, thats just how he fights. He blatantly says he bears no hatred for the gods.

Yes, and he wants to deal with their over bloated arrogance. However, the point still stands he WILL absolutely not start off with TFTST from the get go, DR first, Punch and dodge second, TFTST as the last resort when it really comes to it but that stage is far too late. Besides, his fights don't have him start off at his strongest anyway, he likes to test the waters, which will be a his fatal mistake.

That's not even the same move? Plus there's no indication it requires that much, it just so happens that that amount was able to disperse the dust. It doesn't seem like an opener anyways.

I'm simply telling you that to disperse the sandstorm, you need sufficiently strong wind manipulation or super wide AOE to disperse it, because Adam lacks both. Also, Boboiboy will use it as an opener since he can discuss from over 4 km away at the start, he does not simply pick a fight impulsively after all.

One, I imagine hitting multiple targets with a singular punch isn't impossible. Two, he can use TFTST multiple times, in fact after Adamas, Zeus' punches are stronger and faster than they were before, and Adam dodge these effortlessly and threw punches stronger, clashed for an extended period of time. Adam won't take out one and then BBB instantly reacts. He uses TFTST to drop them all down, consecutively, if not simultaneously.

You would need all 3 to be perfectly in line and NONE of them are in a state of intangibility or surrounded by a barrier of sorts or covered in dense fog of crushed rock. Which is so unlikely that Adam will miss. Also, Adam would not just use TFTST one after the other if he does not know where Boboiboy(s) is/are positioned. TFTST is gonna have a rough time landing on the correct UNSHIELDED/VERY EXPOSED targets.

Wrong target No.1 (Thunderstorm): Gets paralysed from the neck down from punching a lightning bolt.

Wrong target No.2 (Cyclone): Gets his wrist(s) dislocated by punching a cyclonic barrier that still retained its momentum.

Wrong target No.3 (Fire): Gets vaporized like a meteor on atmosphere entry, moving so fast for a punch is a detriment to fighting a user that is surrounded by hot flames.

Again, appealing to his morals won't work when this child is similarly out to kill him. Also on that note, does BBB himself have no morals? Like damn, danmaku off rip against a human opponent? Thats pretty brutal lol.

He was about to until the POWER OF FRIENDSHIP stopped that from happening.

Then he uses whatever move he has that is most efficient for dealing with his enemy. Like he does with the serpent.

That's like the ONE AND ONLY move he copied from that time.

One last thing. Is it not possible for Adam to assume BBB might not even be human in the first place? Gods in RoR generally have human like appearances, some just look full on human, just with equipment and unique clothing. Zeus, Hades, Heracles, Loki, Odin, Apollo, Beel, Susanoo, Aphoridte etc.

Well, if he does. that would a death sentence for Adam, But Boboiboy's clothing looks so out of place compared to what the gods wore; a hoodie, cap and baggy pants all in orange? Not exactly god material.

 

[Razor]

They are 4 km away from each other at the start, Adam would not know where Boboiboy is but Boboiboy would find him first before the former does the same. I'm also specifically targetting the fact that Adam would not have an immediate response to falling into a hole that suddenly emerges beneath him.

Alrighty

Should have worded it better, but read the bolded parts:
Speed: Athletic Human (BoBoiBoy has shown extreme athletic prowess, being one of the best football players in his school. BoBoiBoy is also significantly fast, being able to cross large distances in a relatively short time) with Massively FTL+ reactions and attack speed (Comparable to Ying. Could keep up with Probe), higher in First Tier Elements (superior to Probe, who can outspeed Bago Go's lasers, which are comparable to his spaceships' speed), even higher in Second Tier Elements (could react to and block Bago Go's attacks).

Essentially his 1st tier elements alone is superior to Probe in speed who can outspeed MFTL+ lasers.

Btw, look what happened to Probe when he tried to fight Boboiboy's 2nd tier element anyways, he got blitzed to heck and back:


Yes, and he wants to deal with their over bloated arrogance. However, the point still stands he WILL absolutely not start off with TFTST from the get go, DR first, Punch and dodge second, TFTST as the last resort when it really comes to it but that stage is far too late. Besides, his fights don't have him start off at his strongest anyway, he likes to test the waters, which will be a his fatal mistake.

I'm simply telling you that to disperse the sandstorm, you need sufficiently strong wind manipulation or super wide AOE to disperse it, because Adam lacks both. Also, Boboiboy will use it as an opener since he can discuss from over 4 km away at the start, he does not simply pick a fight impulsively after all.

You would need all 3 to be perfectly in line and NONE of them are in a state of intangibility or surrounded by a barrier of sorts or covered in dense fog of crushed rock. Which is so unlikely that Adam will miss. Also, Adam would not just use TFTST one after the other if he does not know where Boboiboy(s) is/are positioned. TFTST is gonna have a rough time landing on the correct UNSHIELDED/VERY EXPOSED targets.

Wrong target No.1 (Thunderstorm): Gets paralysed from the neck down from punching a lightning bolt.

Wrong target No.2 (Cyclone): Gets his wrist(s) dislocated by punching a cyclonic barrier that still retained its momentum.

Wrong target No.3 (Fire): Gets vaporized like a meteor on atmosphere entry, moving so fast for a punch is a detriment to fighting a user that is surrounded by hot flames.

He was about to until the POWER OF FRIENDSHIP stopped that from happening.

That's like the ONE AND ONLY move he copied from that time.

Well, if he does. that would a death sentence for Adam, But Boboiboy's clothing looks so out of place compared to what the gods wore; a hoodie, cap and baggy pants all in orange? Not exactly god material.

Based on what? Speed is equalized. Why would BBB find Adam first? Plus the second BBB finds Adam, Adam sees BBB all the same, unless BBB is a sneak fighter now. Also again this isn't an opener from what I can see. And there isn't anything suggesting that Adam won't be able to react to it eaither.

If his travel speed was MFTL+ then it would be noted as such. Basically the profiles should've stated, Athletic human in base, MFTL+ speed with transformations. Also it makes no sense if his travel speed and combat speed are both MFTL+ but his combat speed is noted as MFTL+ while his travel speed is athletic human. This is because the profiles treat his MFTL+ feats as combat speed instead of travel speed. Otherwise he would just have MFTL+ speed in general, instead of his travel speed and combat speed be separate, or at least give his travel speed MFTL+ too. The "far higher" refers to his combat and reaction speed, not travel speed.

I highly doubt arrogance makes the difference between Adam going in for the insta kill and not. You have stated your opinion that he will not start with TFTST and has provided 0 arguments for it. Well you did but I've already countered them. Atp we're going in circles. 1. The reason he hasn't done so in the manga is because he literally couldn't, he died in the same fight he got TFTST. 2. We have confirmation that Adam is more than willing to go for an insta kill at the beginning of the match against the serpent. 3. His tactic against Zeus can be chalked up to the fact that there was no move of his that could one shot Zeus, and that he wanted Zeus to show his abilities so he could use them against him, something Adam blatantly did in their fight.

And I am telling you that you have no criteria for how sufficient the wind manipulation has to be to disperse the sandstorm. It gets dispersed by a tornado and suddenly it is required for a person to output the same levels of wind manipulation as said tornado to blow it away? That logic doesn't add up. The wind manipulation could be lesser and still blow away BBB's dust. The only case it won't be is if there was a case of BBB's sandstorm resisting a weaker level of wind manipulation. And AFAIK there isn't.

The majority of the time they are literally standing right next to each other without any barrier. Like the link you recently posted. Like I said, BBB has intangibility in one state. In one elemental form (electricity). And its not like he sits around with a barrier constantly either. It is entirely plausible for Adam to catch multiple of them in one strike. Or use TFTST consecutively.

These all will only happen if they're in very specific states of the form, you've already sent clips where they aren't. You're talking as if they're in these hyper invincible states 24/7 (And frankly, if they were, then BBB shouldn't even be allowed in the tourney in the first place. But anyways). Here they are literally in the exact state I described. Perfectly aligned, with NO elemental intangibility or protection whatsoever. Lightning isn't covered with electricity like he's godspeed killua, Blaze isn't covered with fire, Cyclone doesn't have a barrier. They do have those abilities yes, but only when they are using specific moves, they aren't in a constant state of invulnerability.

That's an assumption, but even if we assume that. He still didn't "test the waters out" like you said. He killed the serpent before the serpent could even finish his attack. This is even more aggressive than what I describe Adam doing in this scenario.

Why would it be a death sentence for Adam? BBB's clothing is out of place for a human too, at least in Adam's eyes. As he wasn't in earth when the modern era took place. In fact BBB's modern clothing would probably be foreign to him and therefore he would have more reason to assume BBB isn't human, if not a god, definitely not a human. Plus its not really BBB's clothing, its the fact that he can do all the crazy shit he can do that would lead Adam to believe he's not human.

 

[Kachon123]

This has pretty much been walls of text vs walls of text. Could someone summarize the main arguments and wincons for both sides?

 

[Razor]

Ngl, getting a response or two in a day is making the debate pretty stale for me. I'm gonna vote Adam for now, FRA.

The way I see this fight going, there is a line that BBB cannot cross. If he does, Adam will use TFTST which will almost result in a win for him. Considering the nature of BBB's skillset, I find it unlikely that Adam won't use the move relatively early on as we have already seen him use his strongest move right off the bat without even giving his opponent a chance to retaliate.

BBB's wincons seems either out of character or implausible before Adam wins via TFTST. He could range spam but not only is that a rarity (relatively speaking for him) but also not a first move even if he decides to do that. His defenses are good but in the face of infinite speed they don't really matter that much. Like I've already said, BBB doesn't stay in these defensive states constantly, in fact its rare he does. Cyclone doesn't have a barrier around him at all times, Lightning isn't surrounding by electricity constantly and blaze doesn't have an aura of fire 24/7 that burns his opponents either (In fact I haven't seen him have one).

His other wincons are also not wincons. His sandstorm can be dispersed by Adam's moves that can generate winds, in CQC he just gets walked via Adam's superior skill and his plethora of CQC moves he copied from Zeus and the serpent. Any of BBB's binding moves won't work since they are too slow and are mainly used on Kaiju-like beings instead of humans like BBB. What's worst for him is that CQC seems to be his go-to tactic against human sized fighters which would cause him to lose.

His only wincon is flying to his maximum range and camp from there while range spamming, which is not only super out of character for him (From the clips I've seen, he has never done this.) But even if he decides to go this route it becomes a battle of attrition that Adam would likely win. As BBB would have to constantly rain fire on him while all Adam has to do is dodge, Adam himself has insane stamina that allows him to push his limits and continue fighting a stronger opponent even when he has overheated his main ability, and allowed him to fight even after death. This is all assuming Adam doesn't use TFTST before BBB resorts to range camping too, which is highly unlikely.

 

[Greatsage13th]

This has pretty much been walls of text vs walls of text. Could someone summarize the main arguments and wincons for both sides?

Here is the quick and simple summarization below:

Boboiboy's advantages:

• Super wide AOE danmaku (Slightly above 1 km for some options)
• Defensive options that can go against TFTST (The Fist That Surpasses Time) such as elemental intangibility, elemental barriers and fire aura.
• Durability negation via cyclone element
• Can fly (Adam lacks any options to deal with airborne opponents)
• Status effect inducement such as paralysis and blindness
• Will use speed amp first.
• There's more of him than Adam.
• Better combat prowess.
• Higher LS for incapacitation.
• Divine Reflection does not work on Boboiboy, and Adam does not know it and he starts with it all the time.

Boboiboy's wincon: Defeat Adam via pretty much any means. Like every option Boboiboy has at his disposal will be fatal to Adam.

Adam's advantages:

• Higher physical stats.
• Can still fight after dying (Will have a chance to lead to a draw if that's the case)
• Sure-fire KO via TFTST on one opponent.

Adam's wincon: Use TFTST as soon as he can and with the CORRECT timing.

 

[Razor]

Here is the quick and simple summarization below:

Boboiboy's advantages:

• Super wide AOE danmaku (Slightly above 1 km for some options)
• Defensive options that can go against TFTST (The Fist That Surpasses Time) such as elemental intangibility, elemental barriers and fire aura.
• Durability negation via cyclone element
• Can fly (Adam lacks any options to deal with airborne opponents)
• Status effect inducement such as paralysis and blindness
• Will use speed amp first.
• There's more of him than Adam.
• Better combat prowess.
• Higher LS for incapacitation.
• Divine Reflection does not work on Boboiboy, and Adam does not know it and he starts with it all the time.

Boboiboy's wincon: Defeat Adam via pretty much any means. Like every option Boboiboy has at his disposal will be fatal to Adam.

Adam's advantages:

• Higher physical stats.
• Can still fight after dying (Will have a chance to lead to a draw if that's the case)
• Sure-fire KO via TFTST on one opponent.

Adam's wincon: Use TFTST as soon as he can and with the CORRECT timing.

The framing is odd considered we've spent two pages going back and forth on why more than half of what you listed doesn't work or will not happen here.
-He barely starts with danmaku and never spams from a range.
-Again, he doesn't stay in these defensive forms. Most of the times he has no defense up at all. Like here
-Doesn't start with
-Doesn't stay mid air for very long, he almost always comes back down.
-Blindness via the sandstorm gets blown away by Adam's wind manip.
-He has speed amp for one of his elemental transformation and for one attack in that transformation.
-Fair advantage.
-Skill wise? Whats his feats?
-When has he ever used LS to incap a human sized being.
-He uses it, doesn't work, he doesn't use it. Whats the hold up?

You're also saying correct timing as if he has to absolutely pinpoint BBB like the window of error is large for Adam. Like I said, BBB doesn't stay in his defensive forms for long.

BBB's wincons is his dura neg cyclone. Thats the only thing that one shots Adam which he needs to do otherwise Adam retaliates with TFTST. I don't know what you mean by everything BBB has will be fatal to Adam.

Adam's wincon is using TFTST.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Based on what? Speed is equalized. Why would BBB find Adam first? Plus the second BBB finds Adam, Adam sees BBB all the same, unless BBB is a sneak fighter now. Also again this isn't an opener from what I can see. And there isn't anything suggesting that Adam won't be able to react to it eaither.

He can and WILL do that when given the right circumstances, this is one of those circumstances and Boboiboy pretty much can pull off sneakiy things like a burial for example from before.

If his travel speed was MFTL+ then it would be noted as such. Basically the profiles should've stated, Athletic human in base, MFTL+ speed with transformations. Also it makes no sense if his travel speed and combat speed are both MFTL+ but his combat speed is noted as MFTL+ while his travel speed is athletic human. This is because the profiles treat his MFTL+ feats as combat speed instead of travel speed. Otherwise he would just have MFTL+ speed in general, instead of his travel speed and combat speed be separate, or at least give his travel speed MFTL+ too. The "far higher" refers to his combat and reaction speed, not travel speed.

I apologize for that confusion then, moving on.

I highly doubt arrogance makes the difference between Adam going in for the insta kill and not. You have stated your opinion that he will not start with TFTST and has provided 0 arguments for it. Well you did but I've already countered them. Atp we're going in circles. 1. The reason he hasn't done so in the manga is because he literally couldn't, he died in the same fight he got TFTST. 2. We have confirmation that Adam is more than willing to go for an insta kill at the beginning of the match against the serpent. 3. His tactic against Zeus can be chalked up to the fact that there was no move of his that could one shot Zeus, and that he wanted Zeus to show his abilities so he could use them against him, something Adam blatantly did in their fight.

Bruh. First of all, in the only TWO battles he fought, the first thing he uses is Divine Reflection. Second of all, He was MOTIVATED to kill the serpent that framed his wife Third of all, context of why he does things matter in the situation otherwise you are merely portraying him as some kind of battle-hungry individual which goes against his usual character, my guy. Fourth of all, your third point pretty much sums it up as to how Adam will screw up in this match via that same tactic.

And I am telling you that you have no criteria for how sufficient the wind manipulation has to be to disperse the sandstorm. It gets dispersed by a tornado and suddenly it is required for a person to output the same levels of wind manipulation as said tornado to blow it away? That logic doesn't add up. The wind manipulation could be lesser and still blow away BBB's dust. The only case it won't be is if there was a case of BBB's sandstorm resisting a weaker level of wind manipulation. And AFAIK there isn't.

Burden of proof is on you this time, I need not prove a negative that you yourself brought up.

The majority of the time they are literally standing right next to each other without any barrier. Like the link you recently posted. Like I said, BBB has intangibility in one state. In one elemental form (electricity). And its not like he sits around with a barrier constantly either. It is entirely plausible for Adam to catch multiple of them in one strike. Or use TFTST consecutively.

Good luck with that:

These all will only happen if they're in very specific states of the form, you've already sent clips where they aren't. You're talking as if they're in these hyper invincible states 24/7 (And frankly, if they were, then BBB shouldn't even be allowed in the tourney in the first place. But anyways). Here they are literally in the exact state I described. Perfectly aligned, with NO elemental intangibility or protection whatsoever. Lightning isn't covered with electricity like he's godspeed killua, Blaze isn't covered with fire, Cyclone doesn't have a barrier. They do have those abilities yes, but only when they are using specific moves, they aren't in a constant state of invulnerability.

I indeed did not say that Boboiboy is some kind of Logia, I mentioned those kinds of thing happen in specific circumstances such as:
During Lightning Speed:

With Cyclone Barrier active:

While attacking with Fire:

That's an assumption, but even if we assume that. He still didn't "test the waters out" like you said. He killed the serpent before the serpent could even finish his attack. This is even more aggressive than what I describe Adam doing in this scenario.

The serpent MEDDLED WITH HIS WIFE! He was practically PISSED OFF! OFF COURSE HE WILL DO THAT. Stop mischaracterizing Adam as a douche!

Why would it be a death sentence for Adam? BBB's clothing is out of place for a human too, at least in Adam's eyes. As he wasn't in earth when the modern era took place. In fact BBB's modern clothing would probably be foreign to him and therefore he would have more reason to assume BBB isn't human, if not a god, definitely not a human. Plus its not really BBB's clothing, its the fact that he can do all the crazy shit he can do that would lead Adam to believe he's not human.

My man, in Record of Ragnarok every human from every time period is right there, how would he not know what modern humans look like? And if he does not, its a death sentence straight up as he will use Divine Reflection that is impotent in this context and lands him an attack that paralyzes him from the neck down.

 

[Razor]

He can and WILL do that when given the right circumstances, this is one of those circumstances and Boboiboy pretty much can pull off sneakiy things like a burial for example from before.

I apologize for that confusion then, moving on.

Bruh. First of all, in the only TWO battles he fought, the first thing he uses is Divine Reflection. Second of all, He was MOTIVATED to kill the serpent that framed his wife Third of all, context of why he does things matter in the situation otherwise you are merely portraying him as some kind of battle-hungry individual which goes against his usual character, my guy. Fourth of all, your third point pretty much sums it up as to how Adam will screw up in this match via that same tactic.

Burden of proof is on you this time, I need not prove a negative that you yourself brought up.

Good luck with that:


I indeed did not say that Boboiboy is some kind of Logia, I mentioned those kinds of thing happen in specific circumstances such as:
During Lightning Speed:

With Cyclone Barrier active:

While attacking with Fire:


The serpent MEDDLED WITH HIS WIFE! He was practically PISSED OFF! OFF COURSE HE WILL DO THAT. Stop mischaracterizing Adam as a douche!

My man, in Record of Ragnarok every human from every time period is right there, how would he not know what modern humans look like? And if he does not, its a death sentence straight up as he will use Divine Reflection that is impotent in this context and lands him an attack that paralyzes him from the neck down.

What is the right circumstance, exactly? Adam's a regular human, why would he bury Adam to the ground when he's only seen doing that against Kaiju sized opponents.

He uses DR, it doesn't work, he uses something else. Why is this relevant here? He blatantly says he bears no hatred for the gods. And he wouldn't have even killed the serpent if the serpent didn't attack him. There's no proof he hated the serpent, there wasn't even malice in his eyes, Zeus stated there is no hatred at all in his eyes. His killing of the serpent was self defense. I am not portraying him as a battle hungry individual, I am portraying him as someone who takes his battles seriously if he needs to. Similarily to his fight against the serpent, if BBB hurls thunderstorms and shit at him, he will retaliate. Like idk what you think Adam is gonna do when BBB summons a billion thunder swords from the sky? Divine axe? Regular punches and kicks? I'm not mishcaracterizing him, you're making him as stupid as possible by saying he won't use his trump card upon seing BBB's ability.

Yes, specific circumstances. During the majority of the fight these are not applicable. So Adam would be able to hit.

Its still yours. Why would the burden of proof be on me. You have to provide a feat for the sandstorm, of it resisting weaker wind manipulation. Just because it got blasted away by a cyclone doesn't mean you require that level of wind manip to blow it away, considering the sandstorm didn't show any resistance.

How are you gonna accuse me of mischaracterizing Adam and then go on to claim he was pissed off at the serpent when he was already stated to bear no hatred for the gods. If he killed the serpent because he was pissed off then he should've just killed every other god in the courtroom then, they were badmouthing Eve and wanted to banish her as well, why didn't he kill all of them? Because he is not motivated by anger. Unironically, you saying that Adam did what he did to the serpent because he was pissed off is mischaracterizing him.

Adam doesn't kill or harm others because of anger, he fights with a purpose. As long as he has a strong enough purpose he will go to extreme lengths. He killed the guards that were guarding the throne room, not because he was angry at them but because they were in his way. He killed the serpent not because he was mad at the serpent but because the serpent was coming at him so he needed to defend himself. He didn't kill the other gods in the court room because they were just bad mouthing him and Eve, but posed no threat so Adam didn't kill them.

Adam will see BBB as a threat and respond accordingly.

You think Adam eyed all of the spectators and looked specifically for people who wore modern clothes? I don't even think there are any. The most modern fighters we see Are simo and tesla and they still wear far different clothes than BBB's. Plus, Adam didn't even see them, as he died before they were introduced.

BBB doesn't have paralysis inducement btw. From the electricity manipulation page:
In real life, electricity with high amplitudes can atrophy nerves (causing paralysis) and also interfere with the functions of organs such as the heart and brain, and would likely ignore the durability of characters made out materials with enough conductivity due to this fact. However, as electricity hardly ever acts this way in fiction, this doesn't apply to electrical attacks that don't have a stated amplitude or have demonstrated these powers.

 

[Razor]

What is the right circumstance, exactly? Adam's a regular human, why would he bury Adam to the ground when he's only seen doing that against Kaiju sized opponents.

He uses DR, it doesn't work, he uses something else. Why is this relevant here? He blatantly says he bears no hatred for the gods. And he wouldn't have even killed the serpent if the serpent didn't attack him. There's no proof he hated the serpent, there wasn't even malice in his eyes, Zeus stated there is no hatred at all in his eyes. His killing of the serpent was self defense. I am not portraying him as a battle hungry individual, I am portraying him as someone who takes his battles seriously if he needs to. Similarily to his fight against the serpent, if BBB hurls thunderstorms and shit at him, he will retaliate. Like idk what you think Adam is gonna do when BBB summons a billion thunder swords from the sky? Divine axe? Regular punches and kicks? I'm not mishcaracterizing him, you're making him as stupid as possible by saying he won't use his trump card upon seing BBB's ability.

Yes, specific circumstances. During the majority of the fight these are not applicable. So Adam would be able to hit.

Uh its still yours? Why would the burden of proof be on me. You have to provide a feat for the sandstorm, of it resisting weaker wind manipulation. Just because it got blasted away by a cyclone doesn't mean you require that level of wind manip to blow it away, considering the sandstorm didn't show any resistance.

What? How are you gonna accuse me of mischaracterizing Adam and then go on to claim he was pissed off at the serpent when he was already stated to bear no hatred for the gods. If he killed the serpent because he was pissed off then he should've just killed every other god in the courtroom then, they were badmouthing Eve and wanted to banish her as well, why didn't he kill all of them? Because he is not motivated by anger. Unironically, you saying that Adam did what he did to the serpent because he was pissed off is mischaracterizing him.

Adam doesn't kill or harm others because of anger, he fights with a purpose. As long as he has a strong enough purpose he will go to extreme lengths. He killed the guards that were guarding the throne room, not because he was angry at them but because they were in his way. He killed the serpent not because he was mad at the serpent but because the serpent was coming at him so he needed to defend himself. He didn't kill the other gods in the court room because they were just bad mouthing him and Eve, but posed no threat so Adam didn't kill them.

Adam will see BBB as a threat and respond accordingly.

You think Adam eyed all of the spectators and looked specifically for people who wore modern clothes? I don't even think there are any. The most modern fighters we see Are simo and tesla and they still wear far different clothes than BBB's. Plus, Adam didn't even see them, as he died before they were introduced.

BBB doesn't have paralysis inducement btw. From the electricity manipulation page:
In real life, electricity with high amplitudes can atrophy nerves (causing paralysis) and also interfere with the functions of organs such as the heart and brain, and would likely ignore the durability of characters made out materials with enough conductivity due to this fact. However, as electricity hardly ever acts this way in fiction, this doesn't apply to electrical attacks that don't have a stated amplitude or have demonstrated these powers.

Adam's most iconic quote is literally him explaining to Zeus that he doesn't have hatred for the gods, and he's not fighting for revenge. And you're saying he killed the serpent out of hatred. How am I the one mischaracterizing Adam here?

He wouldn't even have killed the serpent had the serpent not attacked him. He was just gonna leave with Eve

 

[Greatsage13th]

The framing is odd considered we've spent two pages going back and forth on why more than half of what you listed doesn't work or will not happen here.

We'll see.

-He barely starts with danmaku and never spams from a range.

Say that to all these (For goodness sake, I still have more):





https://youtu.be/NXY4Zqbv6fs?t=3068
https://youtu.be/NXY4Zqbv6fs?t=1883
https://youtu.be/NXY4Zqbv6fs?t=7246
https://youtu.be/NXY4Zqbv6fs?t=7096
https://youtu.be/fKVWCpLMQmc?t=29129
https://youtu.be/fKVWCpLMQmc?t=18043

-Again, he doesn't stay in these defensive forms. Most of the times he has no defense up at all. Like here

Your point? You made it sound like he will take more than a second t activate.

-Doesn't start with

WHAT DO YOU MEAN HE DOESN'T START WITH THE CYCLONE ELEMENT!?

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-Doesn't stay mid air for very long, he almost always comes back down.

True, he will come back down after Adam is defeated XD.

-Blindness via the sandstorm gets blown away by Adam's wind manip.

Adam can't do jack with such a miniscule kick. AnND WHO SAYS BLINDNESS CAN ONLY BE INDUCED BY THE SANDSTORM:

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-He has speed amp for one of his elemental transformation and for one attack in that transformation.

Make that two:

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-Fair advantage.
-Skill wise? Whats his feats?

Intelligence: Varies from Average, up to Genius:

• Highly talented in manipulating the elements, even manifesting his powers without prior training, despite it being one of the most difficult powers to control.
• Fought and defeated many powerful and intelligent alien lifeforms from all across the galaxy, including holding his own against Captain Kaizo, who is a legendary space rebel and one of the most skilled individuals throughout the galaxy.
• Could contend against the likes of Kira'na in a fight, Kira'na being somewhat comparable, or superior to even Kaizo.
• He unlocked his light elemental power by increasing his intelligence significantly.
• People like Maripos and even warmasters like Yanaari and Mas Gardu acknowledge his combat prowess and powers, and all of them have years of combat experience.
• BoBoiBoy was shown quickly adapting to Maripos' powers, even showcasing the ability to think of new techniques on the fly to counter Maripos.
• Invented an entirely new way of using the elemental powers, shocking even Retak'ka who claimed to know everything about elemental powers.
• BoBoiBoy could ride a motorbike on his first try even though he had never used one before.
• BoBoiBoy is by far the best football player in his team, being able to carry his team even though Probe had transformed into a more powerful version of himself.
• Is by far the greatest martial artist in his team, having learned martial arts not only from Hang Kasa but other from planets as well.
• Throughout his fight with Ejo Jo, BoBoiBoy surprised him on multiple occasions due to his clever planning. Ejo Jo is superior to even the likes of Adu Du as he is from a higher class, and has actual military experience.
• BoBoiBoy is extremely good with any weapons he comes across, even those he never used before.
• Captain Kaizo, who is a great figure in the Universe, praises BoBoiBoy's intelligence and growth, even going along with most of his plans and trusting his deduction of situations.

-When has he ever used LS to incap a human sized being.

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-He uses it, doesn't work, he doesn't use it. Whats the hold up?

Too slow to change, even a microssecond of difference can lead to his death or incapacitation here mate.

You're also saying correct timing as if he has to absolutely pinpoint BBB like the window of error is large for Adam. Like I said, BBB doesn't stay in his defensive forms for long.

There's only 2 possibilities here:

1. Either it stays up until the opponent is close to defeat and he needs to land the finishing blow: https://youtu.be/NXY4Zqbv6fs?t=13441
2. Or, he finishes the fight and then he drops a hammer of dawn: https://youtu.be/-ZJ5JS6rTh4?t=15163

BBB's wincons is his dura neg cyclone. Thats the only thing that one shots Adam which he needs to do otherwise Adam retaliates with TFTST. I don't know what you mean by everything BBB has will be fatal to Adam.

All his stuff as in every elemental power he has will be fatal:

• Earth: Incap and suffocation.
• Fire: Burn to a crisp.
• Cyclone: Dura neg and also ragdolling him by accident via wind manipulation.
• Water: in tandem with Thunderstorm and he is cooked.
• Thunderstorm: Speedblitzing paralysis.

What else is there to say?

Adam's wincon is using TFTST.

And using it EXACTLY like the way you say, which he will not have done on the first try. Keep in mind, Adam HAS the capability to spam TFTST, BUT he does not do so IN-CHARACTER as @PowerToScale (a RoR Supporter) said so which contradicts your narrative.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Adam's most iconic quote is literally him explaining to Zeus that he doesn't have hatred for the gods, and he's not fighting for revenge. And you're saying he killed the serpent out of hatred. How am I the one mischaracterizing Adam here?

He wouldn't even have killed the serpent had the serpent not attacked him. He was just gonna leave with Eve

Fair enough.

 

[Razor]

We'll see.

Say that to all these (For goodness sake, I still have more):





https://youtu.be/NXY4Zqbv6fs?t=3068
https://youtu.be/NXY4Zqbv6fs?t=1883
https://youtu.be/NXY4Zqbv6fs?t=7246
https://youtu.be/NXY4Zqbv6fs?t=7096
https://youtu.be/fKVWCpLMQmc?t=29129
https://youtu.be/fKVWCpLMQmc?t=18043

Your point? You made it sound like he will take more than a second t activate.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN HE DOESN'T START WITH THE CYCLONE ELEMENT!?

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True, he will come back down after Adam is defeated XD.

Adam can't do jack with such a miniscule kick. AnND WHO SAYS BLINDNESS CAN ONLY BE INDUCED BY THE SANDSTORM:

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Too slow to change, even a microssecond of difference can lead to his death or incapacitation here mate.

There's only 2 possibilities here:

1. Either it stays up until the opponent is close to defeat and he needs to land the finishing blow: https://youtu.be/NXY4Zqbv6fs?t=13441
2. Or, he finishes the fight and then he drops a hammer of dawn: https://youtu.be/-ZJ5JS6rTh4?t=15163

All his stuff as in every elemental power he has will be fatal:

• Earth: Incap and suffocation.
• Fire: Burn to a crisp.
• Cyclone: Dura neg and also ragdolling him by accident via wind manipulation.
• Water: in tandem with Thunderstorm and he is cooked.
• Thunderstorm: Speedblitzing paralysis.

What else is there to say?

And using it EXACTLY like the way you say, which he will not have done on the first try. Keep in mind, Adam HAS the capability to spam TFTST, BUT he does not do so IN-CHARACTER as @PowerToScale (a RoR Supporter) said so which contradicts your narrative.

Ngl I got nervous because I thought you were gonna disappear for 2 days again lol. Thanks for the fast replies this time around.

Maybe I didn't make myself more clear. When I say spam from range I mean he spams from range and STAYS there. In the first clip you sent he literally attacks from a range and THEN switches to lightning to go into CQC. This is what I mean by "BBB doesn't spam from a range". He uses range attacks, yes, but he never stays at a distance. After using ranged attacks, he switches to CQC relatively fast. He won't just fly and bombard Adam from there, no he'll come down eventually.

He won't get to activate it, he's dealing with an infinite speed punch. He would have no reason to activate it until all of his clones and he are dead.

He literally starts using the fire guy first here tho? Plus his dura neg is a specific attack (Also the dura neg isn't even that potent. It attacks from the inside but takes them.)

He literally comes back down even before his opponents are defeated. Like in the first clip you JUST sent.

By the fact that it's the only method you've given so far. First one is temporary, would allow him to hit once at best. Would also blind his other clones too. Unless he talks with them beforehand, which Adam won't allow.

Why would it be two?

No actual skill feats, the only ones that are even skilled related are he can use weapons he's never seen before or he's been taught by other life forms. Adam actually uses martial arts instead of just hurling five thousand lightning bolts at his opponents 99% of the time. Though he is clever I'll give him that, good at strategizing.

You've sent like 30 clips so far and in almost all of them this cyclone guy has never put up a barrier that lasted the entire match except for that one. I keep sending that one screenshot of all 3 of them just standing there without any form of defense whatsoever.

Dawg WHAT are you talking about here? Like genuinely, first off speed is equalized, you keep on talking like Adam is at a constant speed disadvantage with all these claims. He literally only has to look at BBB then realize its not working, that's it. He's not changing anything either.

1. Break through the bind, also too slow.
2. Why would it burn him to a crisp? Adam has higher AP values. The fire manipulation of a character with lower value will deal less damage to those of higher damage, much less dura neg. thread
3. Higher AP, Dura neg's valid but thats the only move.
4. BBB does not have paralysis inducement in his profile. I've already copy and pasted the note in the electricity manipulation page.

Already explained in my previous posts which you've already said "Fair" to. We've also had this conversation like 50 times, you've already conceded that Adam didn't kill the serpent out of hatred.

 

[Shadowslash125]

I'll summarise this whole thing when I get the chance. Busy these days.

 

[DaReaperMan]

So yeah, Adam wouldn't open with his infinite speed attacks, in fact while they aren't by any means OOC he's only used the ***** late into a fight.

And yes, just to confirm this I talked to friends who have read RoR over discord, and they both had similar reactions of "No?". Shit, one of those people is who made me aware of how busted RoR Kojirou was.

 

[Kachon123]

So yeah, Adam wouldn't open with his infinite speed attacks, in fact while they aren't by any means OOC he's only used the ***** late into a fight.

And yes, just to confirm this I talked to friends who have read RoR over discord, and they both had similar reactions of "No?". Shit, one of those people is who made me aware of how busted RoR Kojirou was.

Well yeah he wouldn't start with it under normal circumstances, but if BBB is going to air camp and spam danmaku, using it seems to be the only way for Adam to close that distance. It's not like Adam is dumb plus the ability isn't restricted so there's no reason for him not to use it once prompted.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Well yeah he wouldn't start with it under normal circumstances, but if BBB is going to air camp and spam danmaku, using it seems to be the only way for Adam to close that distance. It's not like Adam is dumb plus the ability isn't restricted so there's no reason for him not to use it once prompted.

Yeah I know that, prompted to do so he'll do it, but it's not like he's going to be instantly spamming it or something lol

 

[Razor]

So yeah, Adam wouldn't open with his infinite speed attacks, in fact while they aren't by any means OOC he's only used the ***** late into a fight.

He used TFTST the second he was able to (When he saw it from Zeus). Prior to that he didn't use TFTST because he doesn't have it in his arsenal. I do agree he won't use it right off the bat but due to the nature of BBB's kit (Danmaku range spam, speed amps, intangibility, etc) Adam would use TFTST early on. My argument is that BBB doesn't have a reliable way to kill Adam before he decides to use TFTST.

 

[Greatsage13th]

My argument is that BBB doesn't have a reliable way to kill Adam before he decides to use TFTST.

Which is quite untrue considering the fact anything Boboiboy uses (Via melee or ranged or both) will decimate Adam due to the either that the first man to die has inferior lifting strength, abysmal resistance or a simple skill issue when it comes to CQC without Divine Reflection backing him up. You see the problem here? It's the simple fact that Adam is completely featless without utilization of his stolen techniques ( courtesy of Divine Reflection) that inevitably leads to Boboiboy taking the easiest W he has ever hoped for. You immediately went 'Adam FRA' because you assumed Adam remotely stood a chance against such a backing, THRALL had the greater odds of beating Boboiboy than with what Adam has and does currently.

 

[Razor]

Which is quite untrue considering the fact anything Boboiboy uses (Via melee or ranged or both) will decimate Adam due to the either that the first man to die has inferior lifting strength, abysmal resistance or a simple skill issue when it comes to CQC without Divine Reflection backing him up. You see the problem here? It's the simple fact that Adam is completely featless without utilization of his stolen techniques ( courtesy of Divine Reflection) that inevitably leads to Boboiboy taking the easiest W he has ever hoped for. You immediately went 'Adam FRA' because you assumed Adam remotely stood a chance against such a backing, THRALL had the greater odds of beating Boboiboy than with what Adam has and does currently.

The opposite is true actually, barely anything in BBB's kit can do anything meaningful to Adam. BBB doesn't even have a binding move in his second tier transformations aside from the slow ass earth based one which Adam could still destroy with his punches considering it doesn't even envelope the arms of the target as seen in the clip you've sent. Resistance? Resistance to what? I've already sent the thread explaining how fire manipulation won't just straight up dura neg Adam because Adam has superior AP and durability to the energy output of the flames, his fire has to exceed the energy output Adam can take. BBB doesn't even have paralysis inducement and the electricity manipulation page says that electricity is not assumed to dura neg or inflict paralysis unless stated specifically because lightning hardly ever works like that in fiction. Even if I give you that BBB is more skilled how does that translate to BBB immediately "decimating" Adam? If he gets overwhelmed TFTST is right there.

I also don't get your point that Adam is completely featless without his stolen techniques? Like, why does that matter at all here? Did they get restricted or did I miss something?

 

[Catbowtie]

Adam FRA

 

[Greatsage13th]

The opposite is true actually, barely anything in BBB's kit can do anything meaningful to Adam. BBB doesn't even have a binding move in his second tier transformations aside from the slow ass earth based one which Adam could still destroy with his punches considering it doesn't even envelope the arms of the target as seen in the clip you've sent. Resistance? Resistance to what? I've already sent the thread explaining how fire manipulation won't just straight up dura neg Adam because Adam has superior AP and durability to the energy output of the flames, his fire has to exceed the energy output Adam can take. BBB doesn't even have paralysis inducement and the electricity manipulation page says that electricity is not assumed to dura neg or inflict paralysis unless stated specifically because lightning hardly ever works like that in fiction. Even if I give you that BBB is more skilled how does that translate to BBB immediately "decimating" Adam? If he gets overwhelmed TFTST is right there.

I also don't get your point that Adam is completely featless without his stolen techniques? Like, why does that matter at all here? Did they get restricted or did I miss something?

Punching is useless when he can't punch in the bind, that's when lifting strength comes to play which Boboiboy has in spades while Adam completely lacks it in that regard, aside from that 3 out of the 5 elements are capable of binding Adam in place and one of them that lacks a binding move can simply stun him in place that results in a knock out. Fire manipulation will kill those who lack the optimum resistance REGARDLESS of durability, and Adam lacks resistance and will be pitifully burnt away as a result, don't try and justify how a man who lacks fire resistance can survive being encompassed by flames hotter than molten rock inside a volcano, we all know how that goes. Boboiboy's paralysis inducement as result of lightning manipulation will incap Adam by shortcircuiting his nervous system, resulting in an alternative method to gain a W, you REALLY BE TRYING TO ARGUE THAT BOBOIBOY'S LIGHTNING IS IMPOTENT BECAUSE ITS IN FICTION? You should have watched the show before deciding to bring that case onto my doorstep. Finally, the driest brisket of the bunch, TFTST, that **** is darn pointless if Adam doesn't use it in the first minute at least! Which keep in mind, he does not because the first thing the first man does everytime is activate his freaking sharingan and attempt to become Kakashi! It matters because Adam without Divine Reflection or his stolen techniques is essentially just a man with brute force without skill, essentially like now along with the fact his ONLY wincon is unlikely to be used that quick.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Boboiboy FRA

 

[Razor]

Punching is useless when he can't punch in the bind, that's when lifting strength comes to play which Boboiboy has in spades while Adam completely lacks it in that regard, aside from that 3 out of the 5 elements are capable of binding Adam in place and one of them that lacks a binding move can simply stun him in place that results in a knock out. Fire manipulation will kill those who lack the optimum resistance REGARDLESS of durability, and Adam lacks resistance and will be pitifully burnt away as a result, don't try and justify how a man who lacks fire resistance can survive being encompassed by flames hotter than molten rock inside a volcano, we all know how that goes. Boboiboy's paralysis inducement as result of lightning manipulation will incap Adam by shortcircuiting his nervous system, resulting in an alternative method to gain a W, you REALLY BE TRYING TO ARGUE THAT BOBOIBOY'S LIGHTNING IS IMPOTENT BECAUSE ITS IN FICTION? You should have watched the show before deciding to bring that case onto my doorstep. Finally, the driest brisket of the bunch, TFTST, that **** is darn pointless if Adam doesn't use it in the first minute at least! Which keep in mind, he does not because the first thing the first man does everytime is activate his freaking sharingan and attempt to become Kakashi! It matters because Adam without Divine Reflection or his stolen techniques is essentially just a man with brute force without skill, essentially like now along with the fact his ONLY wincon is unlikely to be used that quick.

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It's a highly inconsistent move then, because you can cleary see this guy's hands aren't bound. But even then like I said the main problem with the move is that it isn't gonna land.

I've already sent the thread. If you want to ignore it it's on you, but just in case you need a link to it, here
To quote the replies:
"Fire is technically just the result of a chemical reaction, and being burned alive should technically work the same regardless of durability going off of chemistry, as long as the material in question is flammable.

That said it's hardly how fiction treats it in most cases. Energy output is generally valued much like any other form of attack as feats often determine whether a character's fires will effect another character."

"Fire doesn't ignore durability its temperature is irrelevant since it doesn't translate to joules by itself, you need to assume an object is being heated up to that degree to get energy."

"Our system is based off of energy, a category which heat includes. If someone gives a temperature there are some ways to derive AP from that, but if there's fire stated at some unrealistically low amount that damages like a tier 4 or something, just consider the AP of the character as tier 4.

As for the sun thing, this is due to the amount of heat the sun puts out per second. The total amount is somewhere around High 6-A but that's not gonna get focused on you, and I think a calc was done somewhere that showed that something with human size only deals with an 8-A amount of heat. It ignores the pressure aspect of the sun though."

All this to say, fire doesn't just neg someone outright. Especially not one who has a higher AP yield.

I don't really get the point you're trying to make with the clip? He didn't get paralyzed, hee got electrocuted cause his body couldn't handle the energy of BBB's electricity manipulation. Don't see how that's relevant here.

These arguments have been thrown over and over and have been debunked many times. So for the last time.
1. DR literally takes no time, you're talking as if BBB would get 5 combos off if Adam tries to use DR. DR is literally just look at the attack then copy it. He does that in an instant, this argument is just nonsense.
2. Adam doesn't have to use TFTST in the first minute, BBB cannot take down Adam that fast.
3. I've already shown you a panel of Adam brutalizing his opponent as the first move. I've already proven why Adam didn't do this out of hatred and you've already agreed so please don't bring that argument up again.

If you don't have any new arguments to present I suggest we just wait for Shadowslash to summarize the thread and let everyone else vote. Cause otherwise we're just giving shadowslash a harder time by giving him more stuff to read, which has the same arguments just repeated.

 

[Kachon123]

Adam FRA

 

[DaReaperMan]

3-1-0

 

[Ebihara]

Adam FRA.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Mah busy ass forgor to take the votes into account.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Also with GreatSage banned, how will this go on?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Also with GreatSage banned, how will this go on?

Seeing as GS is the only active supporter for BBB on the site, I'll be DQing him in lack of someone who can argue for him. Make your Rider match.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Welp, Gildedguy returns.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Welp, Gildedguy returns.

yeap!

 

[Shadowslash125]

At a glance, I don't think GG would have an answer to TFTST when Adam pops it out, but otherwise, they seem even enough.

 

[DaReaperMan]

At a glance, I don't think GG would have an answer to TFTST when Adam pops it out, but otherwise, they seem even enough.

yeah but Adam also doesn't really spam it and GG likes his melee

There's also the fact GG has a fair shot at skill-******* Adam if what I've heard on him vs the better WoW 7-As is to be believed.

 

[Shadowslash125]

GG likes his melee

Wait a second, his stella-pen thread hold uses Class T LS... If Adam gets caught by that, I don't think TFTST can save him.