Question abt proving 1A & 1B

[AlipheeseXIV]

What are all the current ways to prove 1A & 1B? I only recently started to really get a good understanding of like 1C and whatnot, but 1B & 1A is still a bit of a mystery for me. I've tried looking at threads but it seems people are generally asking fundamentally different questions than the one's I have, so for example I am aware that per wiki standards these statements tend to nudge this lvl of tier

• Statements of being beyond dimensions
• BDE Type 2
• R>F/Qualitative Superiority

For 1B it is more so just having

• Eight to any to any higher finite number of uncountably infinite levels above Low 2-C structures
• Creating or destroying infinite-dimensional space

Now, while I do generally understand each of these example there are still some things that elude me, in the first place I just legit can't wrap my head around universal set theory, real coordinate space, and all this other actual mathematical/theoretical jargon. How would you go about proving infinite-dimensional space? Or any higher finite number of uncountably infinite levels above L2C? Of course, the simple answer to this question is, just by it legitimately stating these things verbatim but as we all know by now. Not every author adds very coherent mathematical or dimensional stuff of this scale into their stories. Furthermore even if they do, it ofc does not guarantee it'll align with our standards, in short I am essentially asking how you'd be able to come up with an accurate 1B/1A rating for a verse that may or may not have a somewhat roundabout way of explaining these concepts but, with these concepts at least generally existing within the story.

I understand that's very vague but that is essentially what this boils down to, any and all examples (as long as they would legitimately be accepted on the wiki) are fine, I just need various examples to extrapolate from to further my understanding, also feel free to link recently accepted or even old 1A/1B CRT's (that align with our current standards) if you don't feel like fully explaining this or smth, thanks in advance

 

[SweetDao]

1-B is just the continuation of Low 1-C and such. If you understand this, you understand the rest, since it's more or less only a "n +1" stuff.

I agree with you, however, that most authors don't even bother with the accuracy (or not) of their dimensions. Similarly, we tend to scale stuff "according to our standards" which mean, even if it's not stated verbatim (or at all) in the source material, as long as it's "similar in the properties" it would be okay to scale at this particular level.

1-A is more or less the same. We tend to use "R>F" as an example, but as long as there is a complete change of quality (so that the difference is not merely a "n+1" but a whole other aspect of reality) then it would work exactly the same way.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

1-B is just the continuation of Low 1-C and such. If you understand this, you understand the rest, since it's more or less only a "n +1" stuff.

My goat coming to save the day. Yeah, I guess generally speaking I do understand this, it's just adding any finite number on top of that up to infinity ig

I agree with you, however, that most authors don't even bother with the accuracy (or not) of their dimensions. Similarly, we tend to scale stuff "according to our standards" which mean, even if it's not stated verbatim (or at all) in the source material, as long as it's "similar in the properties" it would be okay to scale at this particular level.

Gotcha...well that makes sense, essentially as long as it's a reasonable argument that uses proof from whatever verse and aligns with our standards it's eligible I'm assuming?

1-A is more or less the same. We tend to use "R>F" as an example, but as long as there is a complete change of quality (so that the difference is not merely a "n+1" but a whole other aspect of reality) then it would work exactly the same way.

Ok, is there a rule stating that only 1 character in a verse can have R>F or qualitative superiority? I don't think so, but just making sure

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

One more thing, let's say a verse has a few countless dimensions statements or the like right? I am aware that dimensions can mean 1 of 2 things generally, either it's referring to mathematical dimensions (like 5D, 6D, etc) or it's just referring to a realm, timeline and/or space as a dimension. How exactly would you go about proving the former?

 

[SweetDao]

My goat coming to save the day. Yeah, I guess generally speaking I do understand this, it's just adding any finite number on top of that up to infinity ig

Idk if you're genuine about the bolded part or not... If you think my explanation is unsatisfactory please do tell me in more details what you want, maybe I didn't understand the question that well.

Gotcha...well that makes sense, essentially as long as it's a reasonable argument that uses proof from whatever verse and aligns with our standards it's eligible I'm assuming?

Yeah, take Low 2-C for example. Usually, you don't really "think that much" for that tier, if there is a universe + space time continuum, it's Low 2-C. However, you could have a verse with no time (I guess?) and just aleph 1 universes laying inside it, and you would still be Low 2-C.

So yeah, as long as it "ends up at the same result" the process isn't that much important. If a verse is basing itself with spiritual dimensions but, somehow, the gap between each of those spiritual dimensions are "similar" to how we treat spatial dimensions (higher infinity...kinda) then you could be Low 1-C/1-B/whatever.

Ok, is there a rule stating that only 1 character in a verse can have R>F or qualitative superiority? I don't think so, but just making sure

No. You could have a planet, universe, multiverse, etc of "1-A" beings. Also, while it's uncommon, it's not impossible for those beings to be totally "normal" in their own reality. Like, assume we're 1-A, you and I are just "normal humans" compared to fictional characters that possess incredible abilities, yet, we would still be 1-A and "superior" to them since we're more "realm" than them.

One more thing, let's say a verse has a few countless dimensions statements or the like right? I am aware that dimensions can mean 1 of 2 things generally, either it's referring to mathematical dimensions (like 5D, 6D, etc) or it's just referring to a realm, timeline and/or space as a dimension. How exactly would you go about proving the former?

Depends on how the verse establish this.

If it's just "there exist other dimensions", I would take it as realms until proven otherwise.

If we have some precedent in-verse of characters regularly using dimensions for "spatial ones" and one of the knowledgeable characters says there exist "countless dimensions" then it could very well be 1-B.

Most of the time, for the former to be right, at one point in the verse, we would get an explanation of the three spatial dimensions or how "spatial dimensions" works or the usage of very specific verbiage like "four-dimensional being/object".

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Idk if you're genuine about the bolded part of not... If you think my explanation is unsatisfactory please do tell me in more details what you want, maybe I didn't understand the question that well.

Yeah I wasn't being sarcastic or anything, I see you respond to a lot of stuff in QnA was actually hoping I'd get your attention lol

Yeah, take Low 2-C for example. Usually, you don't really "think that much" for that tier, if there is a universe + space time continuum, it's Low 2-C. However, you could have a verse with no time (I guess?) and just aleph 1 universes laying inside it, and you would still be Low 2-C.

So yeah, as long as it "ends up at the same result" the process isn't that much important. If a verse is basing itself with spiritual dimensions but, somehow, the gap between each of those spiritual dimensions are "similar" to how we treat spatial dimensions (higher infinity...kinda) then you could be Low 1-C/1-B/whatever.

Gotcha, that makes sense yeah

No. You could have a planet, universe, multiverse, etc of "1-A" beings. Also, while it's uncommon, it's not impossible for those beings to be totally "normal" in their own reality. Like, assume we're 1-A, you and I are just "normal humans" compared to fictional characters that possess incredible abilities, yet, we would still be 1-A and "superior" to them since we're more "realm" than them.

Okay, yeah I remember hearing this somewhere (I forgot where) but essentially it just borders down to dimensionality and R>F or qualitative superiority so that makes sense

Depends on how the verse establish this.

If it's just "there exist other dimensions", I would take it as realms until proven otherwise.

If we have some precedent in-verse of characters regularly using dimensions for "spatial ones" and one of the knowledgeable characters says there exist "countless dimensions" then it could very well be 1-B.

Most of the time, for the former to be right, at one point in the verse, we would get an explanation of the three spatial dimensions or how "spatial dimensions" works or the usage of very specific verbiage like "four-dimensional being/object".

So just having these sorts of dimensional explanations (4D beings/objects and whatnot) with these concepts already existing in the verse, this would allow a person to make an actual solid argument for 1B?

 

[SweetDao]

So just having these sorts of dimensional explanations (4D beings/objects and whatnot) with these concepts already existing in the verse, this would allow a person to make an actual solid argument for 1B?

I mean, obviously it all depend on the context, I can't talk about postulate or absolute here. However, yeah, if someone or something is called "five-dimensional" for example, that kinda, by default, assume a fifth spatial dimension. So if later down the line, someone says there exist 100 dimensions, unless the context is suddenly different, I'd be more inclined to assume those are spatial ones instead of just realms.

All in all, it's still a case by case as always.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

I mean, obviously it all depend on the context, I can't talk about postulate or absolute here. However, yeah, if someone or something is called "five-dimensional" for example, that kinda, by default, assume a fifth spatial dimension. So if later down the line, someone says there exist 100 dimensions, unless the context is suddenly different, I'd be more inclined to assume those are spatial ones instead of just realms.

All in all, it's still a case by case as always.

Makes sense, thanks for the help