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[Incon] A Saiyan from the future fights a Neon Cavalier remade (Future Trunks vs Alexander Durham)

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Post-Gravity Training Future Trunks and Symbiant Arc (Pre-Chamber of Time Training) Alex are being used and both have access to their transformations. Speed is equalized, and the battle takes place on Kami's lookout, starting 10 meters apart.
AP values:
Base Trunks:
4.212 KiloFoe, up to 16.848 KiloFoe via charged attacks
SSJ Trunks:
210.6 KiloFoe, up to 842.4 KiloFoe via charged attacks
SSJ2 Trunks:
421.2 KiloFoe, up to 1.6848 MegaFoe via charged attacks

Base Alex:
1.053 KiloFoe
Pseudo-Dragon form Alex:
52.65 KiloFoe
Pseudo-Silver Dragon form Alex:
1.053 MegaFoe

Scaling: Base Alex < Base Trunks < Pseudo-Dragon form Alex < SSJ Trunks < SSJ2 Trunks < Pseudo-Silver Dragon form Alex

Future Trunks: 3 (Ednaxel2, AwkguyDB Sleepymaus)


Alexander Durham: 4 (Uzukeas, Bossbrosish, Makai641001, Username_uhhhIdontknow)


incon: 0
 
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Advantages for Durham are:
  • Regeneration (Low-Mid), Healing, Power Nullification, Pain Tolerance & Willpower: Allows him to survive prolonged beatings from Trunks even in his superior forms
  • Attack Reflection, Power Nullification (again), Clone Creation, and Sealing: Can allow for him to match Trunks in his superior forms even with his AP disadvantage, but with these abilities on top of his Pseudo Silver Dragon form (Which is superior to SS2 Trunks) he should be able to smack Trunks down.
  • Overall Superior AP when starting out.
Advantages for Trunks:
  • Acrobatics, Flight, Superior fighting intelligence: Since speed is equalized, with these additional abilities Trunks should be a far more mobile fighter (and is just a smarter fighter in general), allowing him to avoid many of Durham's abilities and attacks.
  • Accelerated Development (Battle; Physical Stats & Abilities): Saiyan AD is pretty OP, it could give him a superior AP advantage if he was to fight long enough.
  • Healing: Trunks has two methods of healing, one from the kais and via his own ki. Durham's healing can only do for small wounds while Trunks can heal vital wounds (examples like healing Gowasu after having a hole sliced through him)
  • Concealing his power: Both Durham and Trunks analyse each of their stats, but Trunks can suppress his own power, which can misinform Durham making him underestimate Durham. (Trunks shows this when he lowered his power by 5 against Frieza's men, when he actually had greater than 3,000,000 in base)
 
Also I just noticed this but Trunks' values are wrong, it's actually:

Base: >84.24 Foe, up to >336.96 Foe via charged attacks
Super Saiyan: >4.212 KiloFoe, up to >16.848 KiloFoe via charged attacks
Super Saiyan 2: >8.424 KiloFoe, up to >33.696 KiloFoe via charged attacks

Meaning it's really: Base Trunks < Base Durham < SSJ Trunks < SSJ2 Trunks < Pseudo Dragon (not a one-shot difference, though Pseudo Silver Dragon one-shots SSJ2 Trunks)
 
Ednaxel2 said:
Also I just noticed this but Trunks' values are wrong, it's actually:

Base: >84.24 Foe, up to >336.96 Foe via charged attacks
Super Saiyan: >4.212 KiloFoe, up to >16.848 KiloFoe via charged attacks
Super Saiyan 2: >8.424 KiloFoe, up to >33.696 KiloFoe via charged attacks

Meaning it's really: Base Trunks < Base Durham < SSJ Trunks < SSJ2 Trunks < Pseudo Dragon (not a one-shot difference, though Pseudo Silver Dragon one-shots SSJ2 Trunks)
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Oh ok. How this was Post-gravity Trunks, I gave him the same AP as Post-gravity Vegeta, thinking he'd scale to them. I'll fix those now. Since the AP Gap is massive, I'll restrict it, and I just realized I put the wrong value, as it should be Megafoe rather than Kilofoe for the Silver-Dragon Form. Also, since there is a 12x AP gap between base forms, shall I have Trunks start with Super Saiyan since that makes it a 4x difference in Trunks' favor and an 8x difference with Super Saiyan 2, but allow Alex to transform into his Psedo-Dragon form, making it a 12.5x gap and a 6.25x gap? The Gap also becomes smaller with Trunk's charged attacks.
 
Bossbrosish said:
Oh ok. How this was Post-gravity Trunks, I gave him the same AP as Post-gravity Vegeta, thinking he'd scale to them. I'll fix those now. Since the AP Gap is massive, I'll restrict it, and I just realized I put the wrong value, as it should be Megafoe rather than Kilofoe for the Silver-Dragon Form. Also, since there is a 12x AP gap between base forms, shall I have Trunks start with Super Saiyan since that makes it a 4x difference in Trunks' favor and an 8x difference with Super Saiyan 2, but allow Alex to transform into his Psedo-Dragon form, making it a 12.5x gap and a 6.25x gap? The Gap also becomes smaller with Trunk's charged attacks.
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Oh shoot I didn’t know this was post-gravity training I apologize
 
Ednaxel2 said:
I think I'll vote Trunks for now the reasons I said before
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Counted and fixed everything to the way it was before. (I did not want to do the AP gap again, so I went with the scaling chain like what you did)
Ednaxel2 said:
Healing: Trunks has two methods of healing, one from the kais and via his own ki. Durham's healing can only do for small wounds while Trunks can heal vital wounds (examples like healing Gowasu after having a hole sliced through him)
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Alex does have magic that negates regeneration and can imbue it with his Dragon Claw skill, although looking back at the actual text and his profile, I noticed I put Low-Mid instead of Mid-Low. (Update, I overlooked the fact that the other Neon Cavaliers have the same regen as Alex, as he regenerated his heart, so the Mid-Low regen neg check out, unless losing a heart is actually High-Low regen. Honestly, I could never tell if having your heart pulled out of your chest is Mid-Low or High-Low regen)
 
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Forgot to mention Alex can also negate energy-based attacks. So stuff like the Masenko or Burning Attack could be nullified if Alex wanted to. Also, the Solar Flare would give Alex trouble if used by Trunks.

(Update: For some reason, the Imgur links I posted aren't working, and I can't log back in.)
 
Bossbrosish said:
(Update: For some reason, the Imgur links I posted aren't working, and I can't log back in.)
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Alright, so Imgur isn't working on Google, but it works fine on Windows Explorer (Update: It's fixed now)
 
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Bossbrosish said:
Post-Gravity Training Future Trunks and Symbiant Arc (Pre-Chamber of Time Training) Alex are being used and both have access to their transformations. Speed is equalized, and the battle takes place on Kami's lookout, starting 10 meters apart.
AP values:
Base Trunks:
4.212 KiloFoe, up to 16.848 KiloFoe via charged attacks
SSJ Trunks:
210.6 KiloFoe, up to 842.4 KiloFoe via charged attacks
SSJ2 Trunks:
421.2 KiloFoe, up to 1.6848 MegaFoe via charged attacks

Base Alex:
1.053 KiloFoe
Pseudo-Dragon form Alex:
52.65 KiloFoe
Pseudo-Silver Dragon form Alex:
1.053 MegaFoe

Scaling: Base Alex < Base Trunks < Pseudo-Dragon form Alex < SSJ Trunks < SSJ2 Trunks < Pseudo-Silver Dragon form Alex

Future Trunks: 1 (Ednaxel2)


Alexander Durham: 0
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Bro created himself…

I think it could go either way.

How does Alex attack reflection work ?

Trunks has better skill, mobility but is overall Not an haxed character.

Alex has ways to null his ranged arsenal on top of his regen and superior LS.

Leaning towards Alex ngl
 
Makai641001 said:
How does Alex attack reflection work ?
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Alex's counter works like this. As for his Shield Counter, when the shield is hit with a physical attack, it causes the opponent to recoil back and gives Alex the opening to strike. If I were to compare it to something regarding reflecting energy-based attacks, it would work like this, or he could absorb it into his shield and send it back.
Makai641001 said:
Trunks has better skill
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Alex is a great fighter in his own right, but Trunks would definitely be a better fighter, considering he trained with Vegeta and could fight Goku.
 
Bossbrosish said:
Alex's counter works like this. As for his Shield Counter, when the shield is hit with a physical attack, it causes the opponent to recoil back and gives Alex the opening to strike. If I were to compare it to something regarding reflecting energy-based attacks, it would work like this, or he could absorb it into his shield and send it back.
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Oh that’s pretty mid except his shield thing that’s cool

Bossbrosish said:
Alex is a great fighter in his own right, but Trunks would definitely be a better fighter, considering he trained with Vegeta and could fight Goku.
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Yeah I don’t know it could go either way but if it goes H2H trunks would win
 
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