Honkai: Star Rail — Immeasurable LS, potentially Tier 2

[Voidnether]

First, the Century Gate enables instantaneous travel across the vast world of Amphoreus and even through different spacetimes. Trianne opened the Century Gate and tried to pull the Flame Reaver inside. However, the Flame Reaver resisted before Castorice managed to pull it into the Century Gate. How did Castorice do this? It was because of the vow that their predecessors, Janus and Thanatos, made. Later, we see that Trianne cannot accomplish this feat a second time without Castorice's help. She ends up being killed by the Flame Reaver. The Flame Reaver can break through Mem's time manipulation, which was rated Low 2-C.

To clarify, they were going to trap Flame Reaver in the timeline constructed by Mem through memories. However, they escaped using the Century Gate. But, as shown earlier: Flame Reaver was capable of breaking through then attacking them. On this occasion, Flame Reaver destroyed the Century Gate altogether.

Who scales? Emanators, since Emanators are stated to be incomparably more powerful than regular Pathstriders. And the entire Amphoreus cast with Trailblazer and Dan Heng. Penacony cast are still Class G, Aeons are already Immeasurable in terms of Lifting Strength.

If Tier 2 destruction stuff are accepted, this'll upscale the entire cast to Low 2-C too

• Agree:
• Neutral:
• Disagree: Furina003

 

[PedjaTarzan]

wait a moment… are you saying FR destroyed low 2-C structure?

 

[Voidnether]

wait a moment… are you saying FR destroyed low 2-C structure?

He broke through Mem's timeline on the cutscene, not that he destroyed the entirety of it. If you were talking about his ultimate. I mean, that one is Century Gate — Yeah, since Century Gate is atleast Low 2-C, no?

 

[PedjaTarzan]

He broke through Mem's timeline on the cutscene, not that he destroyed the entirety of it. If you were talking about his ultimate. I mean, that one is Century Gate — Yeah, since Century Gate is atleast Low 2-C, no?

i think thats 4-B since it shows entire solar system

 

[Voidnether]

i think thats 4-B since it shows entire solar system

Hmph, Oronyx and Janus have always been inseparable. Memories are connected through time and coexist spatially in space. Those shards contain authority beyond your wildest imagination.

There are endless types of "gates" out there, with some connecting areas, some linking spacetime, some separating inside from outside, and some... Just need one small key to deliver a big surprise.

Mfw, this one is literally the first scan

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Mfw, this one is literally the first scan

you could have made tier 2 upgrade vro

 

[Voidnether]

you could have made tier 2 upgrade vro

Only FR would scale anyways vro

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Only FR would scale anyways vro

THEY FOUGHT HIM gro

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

QUICK HOW DOES IT SCALE TO YANQING

 

[Voidnether]

QUICK HOW DOES IT SCALE TO YANQING

Scales to Emanators -> Jing Yuan is considered as an Emanator, so 3-B -> Low 2-C

To scale it to Yanqing and destroy the chainscaling, Jingliu was able to tank the Lightning Lord which is Low 2-C and she fought Yanqing or we gatekeep it since only Emanators would scale and pathstriders = weak (boo, should exclude amphoreus cast tho) and Jingliu should execute that Godslayer Protocol

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Scales to Emanators -> Jing Yuan is considered as an Emanator, so 3-B -> Low 2-C

To scale it to Yanqing and destroy the chainscaling, Jingliu was able to tank the Lightning Lord which is Low 2-C and she fought Yanqing or we gatekeep it since only Emanators would scale and pathstriders = weak (boo, should exclude amphoreus cast tho) and Jingliu should execute that Godslayer Protocol

watch this somehow NOT apply to herta

 

[Voidnether]

watch this somehow NOT apply to herta

Not even 3-B bro

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Not even 3-B bro

Low 2-C Yanqing Vs 3-C Herta

 

[PedjaTarzan]

tbf tier 2 will apply to everyone due to cornerstone shit 1/10

 

[Voidnether]

tbf tier 2 will apply to everyone due to cornerstone shit 1/10

You proposed this cause I just wanted immeasurable ls, tier 2 stuff isn't on the agenda

Me when Low 2-C but 1/10 is still Low 2-C:

 

[PedjaTarzan]

You proposed this cause I just wanted immeasurable ls, tier 2 stuff isn't on the agenda

Me when Low 2-C but 1/10 is still Low 2-C:

there is always argenti 4-A as a backup

 

[GodEarh206]

Following

 

[FinePoint]

This looks more like he just created a portal.
I'm not sure this is an AP feat or LS feat.

 

[Voidnether]

This looks more like he just created a portal.
I'm not sure this is an AP feat or LS feat.

Trinnon opened the Century Gate which has the capabilities to link space-time, this was used to escape from this timeline to another timeline.
Wouldn't that be LS since Trinnon tried to pull Flame Reaver inside, and then Castorice intervened then they all successfully get Flame Reaver stuck inside there (Random timeline) or am I mistaken?

 

[FinePoint]

Trinnon opened the Century Gate which has the capabilities to link space-time, this was used to escape from this timeline to another timeline.
Wouldn't that be LS since Trinnon tried to pull Flame Reaver inside, and then Castorice intervened then they all successfully get Flame Reaver stuck inside there (Random timeline) or am I mistaken?

Why would you need immeasurable lifting strength to pull someone into a portal?

 

[Weaver261]

The Flame Reaver can break through Mem's time manipulation, which was rated Low 2-C.

Mem's time manipulation comes from Oronyx right? But Oronyx themselves can't even do actual time manipulation. What they are doing is just guessing the past like AI and applying that onto reality. I don't think it will result in L2-C.

Although the Titans are indeed supreme beings, they are not omnipotent. The miracle of Oronyx is not to be able to directly "see" the past or future, but it is to be able to "extrapolate" them. Do not underestimate the importance of this distinction.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Mem's time manipulation comes from Oronyx right? But Oronyx themselves can't even do actual time manipulation. What they are doing is just guessing the past like AI and applying that onto reality. I don't think it will result in L2-C.

Mem time manip comes from Fuli, and Mem time powers are superior to oronyx so i dont think this matters

 

[Weaver261]

Mem time manip comes from Fuli, and Mem time powers are superior to oronyx so i dont think this matters

hmmmm

Phainon: Simply put, Time Titan refused to help us uncover the past of Castrum Kremnos. But for some reason, they showed interest toward (Trailblazer).
Phainon: They... through some unknown means... gifted (Trailblazer) this pet—

 

[PedjaTarzan]

hmmmm

Because Phainon doesnt know about aeons lol, literally the moment we get gazed by fuli we get mem

 

[Voidnether]

Why would you need immeasurable lifting strength to pull someone into a portal?

There are endless types of "gates" out there, with some connecting areas, some linking spacetime, some separating inside from outside, and some... Just need one small key to deliver a big surprise.

Janus is the Titan of passages and roads. They know the existence and ends of all paths. Janus' power can open the doors to all broken mortal worlds, create non-existent paths, and point to unseen directions.

Castorice: You might not be aware of this... but using the Century Gate takes a significant toll on Lady Trianne.

"There shall be the three-faced messenger traversing through myriad doors, bearing tidings to you from hundreds of worlds."

Century Gate is stated to be endless in terms of gates, opening it would literally mean opening every gate simultaneously inside as I've mentioned earlier that how Trianne was struggling to pull the Flame Reaver inside the Century Gate that contains endless gates and how I said the Flame Reaver is transported into a random timeline. I believe it would be Immeasurable LS as the force trying to pull him inside is the same thing that contains endless gates, with some linking literally space-time and this was shown with how they link Mem's timeline with the main one yet Flame Reaver manages to escape from it — Hence, the lowest that it should be a Low 2-C structure and this is the same structure that was trying to pull Flame Reaver inside (Trinnon & Castorice).

 

[Voidnether]

Mem's time manipulation comes from Oronyx right? But Oronyx themselves can't even do actual time manipulation. What they are doing is just guessing the past like AI and applying that onto reality. I don't think it will result in L2-C.

It's already Low 2-C on the Trailblazer's profile though

 

[Furina003]

First, the Century Gate enables instantaneous travel across the vast world of Amphoreus and even through different spacetimes. Trianne opened the Century Gate and tried to pull the Flame Reaver inside. However, the Flame Reaver resisted before Castorice managed to pull it into the Century Gate. How did Castorice do this? It was because of the vow that their predecessors, Janus and Thanatos, made. Later, we see that Trianne cannot accomplish this feat a second time without Castorice's help. She ends up being killed by the Flame Reaver. The Flame Reaver can break through Mem's time manipulation, which was rated Low 2-C.

To clarify, they were going to trap Flame Reaver in the timeline constructed by Mem through memories. However, they escaped using the Century Gate. But, as shown earlier: Flame Reaver was capable of breaking through then attacking them. On this occasion, Flame Reaver destroyed the Century Gate altogether.

Who scales? Emanators, since Emanators are stated to be incomparably more powerful than regular Pathstriders. And the entire Amphoreus cast with Trailblazer and Dan Heng. Penacony cast are still Class G, Aeons are already Immeasurable in terms of Lifting Strength.

If Tier 2 destruction stuff are accepted, this'll upscale the entire cast to Low 2-C too

• Agree:
• Neutral:
• Disagree:

overall i see this is just time manipulation no imea speed or l2c tier

 

[Voidnether]

SAYA


overall i see this is just time manipulation no imea speed or l2c tier

You meant Immeasurable LS? Cause nobody is debating for Immeasurable speed since we already have that.. Even with the future threads later, amphoreus cast are still keeping their immeasurable rating though. Just wanted to clarify

 

[Furina003]

You meant Immeasurable LS? Cause nobody is debating for Immeasurable speed since we already have that.. Even with the future threads later, amphoreus cast are still keeping their immeasurable rating though. Just wanted to clarify

ah, sorry this is my mistake in responding, I thought this was discussing speed, it turns out it was lifting strength.

The Flame Reaver can break through Mem's time manipulation, which was rated Low 2-C.

however, the l2c level will not be obtained just by manipulating time. the statement here really sounds like time manipulation

 

[Voidnether]

ah, sorry this is my mistake in responding, I thought this was discussing speed, it turns out it was lifting strength.

however, the l2c level will not be obtained just by manipulating time. the statement here really sounds like time manipulation

No, Low 2-C is already there on the Trailblazer's profile, I already said this to Weaver and you can read the justification there on Mem's time manipulation abilities and the AP section.
I'll list it though

 

[Weaver261]

It's already Low 2-C on the Trailblazer's profile though

I might have missed the crt on that. I'm still iffy with L 2-C scaling. Because Mem's time manipulation was just recreating past based on the memory MC collected. This is more similar to memoria stuffs than actual time traveling. It makes sense when Mem has the power given by Fuli. Does recreating a dimension with the visuals of the past count as L2-C. Your justification said "Timeline" but I see nothing of sort in the story.

Edited: Also I found smth interesting that Mem's past recreation in the battle against Flame Reaver is similar to Oronyx Past recreation. It's not creating a dimension but rather applying over the reality?

 

[Voidnether]

I might have missed the crt on that. I'm still iffy with L 2-C scaling. Because Mem's time manipulation was just recreating past based on the memory MC collected. This is more similar to memoria stuffs than actual time traveling. It makes sense when Mem has the power given by Fuli. Does recreating a dimension with the visuals of the past count as L2-C. Your justification said "Timeline" but I see nothing of sort in the story.

Edited: Also I found smth interesting that Mem's past recreation in the battle against Flame Reaver is similar to Oronyx Past recreation. It's not creating a dimension but rather applying over the reality?

Mem applying it is her recreating the timeline, hence it's dawn there but the main timeline is midnight. Oronyx's past recreation is crazy because if you click the "which was rated as Low 2-C", that one shows Mem recreating the past Castrum Kremnos timeline. I don't wanna explain this part further because it's there on the Trailblazer's profile and that's not what I'm debating once again, this situation is literally what happened a year ago when I tried to argue about Sunday's AE1 due to him being an embodiment of Xipe (Since Harmony Emanators are the embodiment of Xipe) and the context of embodiment is literally Harmonious Dominicus being the incarnation of it and the AE1 for the Aeons is already accepted yet people were criticizing that

 

[Furina003]

No, Low 2-C is already there on the Trailblazer's profile, I already said this to Weaver and you can read the justification there on Mem's time manipulation abilities and the AP section.
I'll list it though

I've read the feat ( Mem can use the memories it has gathered to create an entire past timeline)
In think, this statement about the past timeline is actually just a metaphor.

because what I understand is just a reference to a collection of memories placed in a space so that it seems as if a timeline was created in the past, however, memories are part of the past. so mem will not get tier l2c because this is just memory manipulation, this example is similar to the case in genshin where nahida created a space for her wanderer's past from the wanderer's memories archived by nahida.

Apart from that, creating the past will not make a character get tier l2c, the requirement for tier l2c is that the entire timeline, past, present and future are in one space, while this only contains the past.

but what else can l2c be accepted, so I will just state neutral, maybe a separate CRT is needed to discuss this

 

[Voidnether]

I've read the feat ( Mem can use the memories it has gathered to create an entire past timeline)
In think, this statement about the past timeline is actually just a metaphor.

because what I understand is just a reference to a collection of memories placed in a space so that it seems as if a timeline was created in the past, however, memories are part of the past. so mem will not get tier l2c because this is just memory manipulation, this example is similar to the case in genshin where nahida created a space for her wanderer's past from the wanderer's memories archived by nahida.

Apart from that, creating the past will not make a character get tier l2c, the requirement for tier l2c is that the entire timeline, past, present and future are in one space, while this only contains the past.

but what else can l2c be accepted, so I will just state neutral, maybe a separate CRT is needed to discuss this

You know you're able to DM me, right? Do I really have to copy-paste the things that I replied to Weaver in there? Anyways, are you neutral with the Immeasurable LS and the destruction feat or do you disagree? That are the two things being proposed on this CRT, not the Low 2-C ones.

I think this was already explained by me when they have to link the past timeline recreated by Mem to the main timeline through Century Gate. But, if the independence that you meant here is what Mem recreates is just the past version, hence it shouldn't qualify as Low 2-C because it's not the main timeline that was being recreated: Given a timeline branching is just unquantifiable if it does not destroy the main timeline, the answer is really is as simple as what Mem is creating is a completely separate space-time continuum. That's why there's a whole justification she upscales from Oronyx. I'll bold the texts.

• Time Manipulation, Memory Manipulation, Psychometry, Unconventional Time Travel, Limited Conventional Time Travel & BFR (Mem time powers were stated to be greater than Oronyx's, who is the Time Titan.[43][32] Mem can read and collect memories, and it can manifest them for itself and others to see.[43][32] Mem can also use the memories it has gathered to create entire past timeline, enabling itself and others to travel through it, with any changes made seamlessly merging into the present, free of paradoxes.[32] Mem is also capable of instantly turning day into night with their time powers.[45] Oronyx, the Time Titan, is one of the Three Titans of Fate, governs the past, present, and future of Amphoreus, shaping its flow of time. With their powers over time, they can reverse its flow, traverse past timelines, and even merge them with the present, causing them to converge.[9][46][47][48][49])

Scans are on the Trailblazer's page, the last and the strongest key section.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I'm with FinePoint here.Nothing linked implies the portal has the pull of a space-time, rather that the portal connects to different points in time. That's fine, but it's not lifting. Furthermore, from the linked clip, what the Reaver overpowered is Trianne's push, so it would simply scale to whatever lifting feat Trianne scales to.

I would also disagree that destroying the Century Gate would be a Low 2-C feat. The portal connects to different points in time, that does not mean the portal itself is Low 2-C (the portal simply has low 2-C range when traveled through). This feat would only give it NPI to space-time. Now, if the Reaper scales above someone with a Low 2-C feat, that's fine. But the act of destroying the Century Gate wouldn't be it imo.

I will wait for maybe some extra context, but from what has been provided in the thread, I disagree with OP.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

every time i want to make a crt i get blitzed with even worse one
cant we just upscale 3-B peeps with Phantylia class Y since both jing yuan and dan heng didnt get crushed and jingyuan almost got out of being telekinetically held by herd (he was caught due to being stunned iirc)

 

[Voidnether]

I'm with FinePoint here.Nothing linked implies the portal has the pull of a space-time, rather that the portal connects to different points in time. That's fine, but it's not lifting. Furthermore, from the linked clip, what the Reaver overpowered is Trianne's push, so it would simply scale to whatever lifting feat Trianne scales to.

I would also disagree that destroying the Century Gate would be a Low 2-C feat. The portal connects to different points in time, that does not mean the portal itself is Low 2-C (the portal simply has low 2-C range when traveled through). This feat would only give it NPI to space-time. Now, if the Reaper scales above someone with a Low 2-C feat, that's fine. But the act of destroying the Century Gate wouldn't be it imo.

I will wait for maybe some extra context, but from what has been provided in the thread, I disagree with OP.

Fair enough, I was also thinking the same nonetheless (I really wasn't expecting much lmao since this factor could be considered that the Century Gate is either unquantifiable or something else given it's just a portal that links space-time, yeah it should be Low 2-C at minimum but that doesn't justify the things I was proposing here). The only one with Low 2-C feat is Mem and it was shown Flame Reaver were breaking through instead of destroying it entirely.

I request to close the thread imo (2 mod disagreements already), I'll make a CRT to address other things later especially powers & abilities section, glad to know it's Low 2-C in range and that Flame Reaver has NPI to them (Maybe Low 2-C range too, I suppose?).
I'll try debating immeasurable LS and tier 2 stuff next time, either through HI3 or when Amphoreus is finished. Thanks for evaluating btw. Appreciated it.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I will close this then