The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

and on this wiki he is Maki Zenin food.
so crazy.

TBF, Carnage being a fraud is surprisingly consistant...

 

[MrKerf]

I've read 8 deaths of spider-man yesterday. Would it count as Social Influencing (Charisma) for Spidey, for being so heroic in actions and thoughts, that he is able to change Cyra and Cyttorak, showing the values of life to immortal beings and making Cyttorak himself be the shield that protects the dimension?

 

[Muteki616]

TBF, Carnage being a fraud is surprisingly consistant...

not tryna hear this.

what is up with Miles rn?
He’s supposed to be fighting Ares in a new issue?

 

[Antvasima]

I've read 8 deaths of spider-man yesterday. Would it count as Social Influencing (Charisma) for Spidey, for being so heroic in actions and thoughts, that he is able to change Cyra and Cyttorak, showing the values of life to immortal beings and making Cyttorak himself be the shield that protects the dimension?

I think so, yes.

 

[HenshinIntervention]

I've read 8 deaths of spider-man yesterday. Would it count as Social Influencing (Charisma) for Spidey, for being so heroic in actions and thoughts, that he is able to change Cyra and Cyttorak, showing the values of life to immortal beings and making Cyttorak himself be the shield that protects the dimension?

Isn't Cyttorak either Malevolent or hard neutral with life itself? That's Amazing.

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

Isn't Cyttorak either Malevolent or hard neutral with life itself? That's Amazing.

And Spectacular! And Astonishing! And... Neighborly?

(NGL, this joke was funnier in my head...)

 

[MrKerf]

Isn't Cyttorak either Malevolent or hard neutral with life itself? That's Amazing.

I know right? Finally, MvC Phoenix Wright will have a worthy opponent XD

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

So what's the deal with the new Marvel Godzillas? Is anyone planning on making profiles for them? I think the one that fought Spidey and got the Black Suit is pretty cool.

 

[Progrev228]

I noticed small detail in Resurrection of Magneto that there are 7 symbols of stones in well beyond the worlds, that technically proof from Ewing himself that nemesis somehow still canon. She was also mentioned in Marvel Universe: Map by Map, there first firmament was also mentioned

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

I noticed small detail in Resurrection of Magneto that there are 7 symbols of stones in well beyond the worlds, that technically proof from Ewing himself that nemesis somehow still canon. She was also mentioned in Marvel Universe: Map by Map, there first firmament was also mentioned

Nemesis basically has the exact same backstory as the Sentience of the 2nd Cosmos, so I wouldn't be surprised if they're retconned into being the same entity.

 

[Muteki616]

I dont' remember if i've asked this before
but on the speed rating for most mid to high tiers.
what is 1 planck?

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

I dont' remember if i've asked this before
but on the speed rating for most mid to high tiers.
what is 1 planck?

plack is the smallest measure time.

 

[Muteki616]

plack is the smallest measure time.

so why is Captian Marvel MFTL+ with her note being 1 planck?

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

so why is Captian Marvel MFTL+ with her note being 1 planck?

Because Planck Time is MFTL+

 

[Muteki616]

okay, i misread, myb.
so how many times FTL would this be?

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

okay, i misread, myb.
so how many times FTL would this be?

I don't know exactly, but easily comparable to this

 

[Muteki616]

I don't know exactly, but easily comparable to this

If Planck is the smallest time measurement, wouldn't it be faster than this?

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

If Planck is the smallest time measurement, wouldn't it be faster than this?

Not necessarily, it all depends on the feat exactly.

 

[Muteki616]

maybe i should watch a youtube video.
i'm not tracking how fast a Planck truly is.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

maybe i should watch a youtube video.
i'm not tracking how fast a Planck truly is.

Death Battle briefly talks about it in their Thor vs Vegeta video

 

[Muteki616]

oh its THAT feat?

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

maybe i should watch a youtube video.
i'm not tracking how fast a Planck truly is.

Planck second would be a timeframe not really a speed value but assuming that the character can move 1 meter in a planck second he would be
6.19×10^34 times the speed of light or sixty-one nonillion nine hundred octillion times the speed of light.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

When I think about it, Marvel Thor is closer to King Arthur than to Myth Thor lol.

 

[Muteki616]

Planck second would be a timeframe not really a speed value but assuming that the character can move 1 meter in a planck second he would be
6.19×10^34 times the speed of light or sixty-one nonillion nine hundred octillion times the speed of light.

alot of zeros.

 

[Jaynic1]

I made a galactus vs lotm match up https://vsbattles.com/threads/galac...me-the-world-of-the-fool-lotm-mistake.179715/

 

[Gasper]

I have a question, the new tiering system works similarly to the old one where a character has to be beyond dimensionality, space and time to be 1-A if I remember correctly.

If so, why are Beyonders 1-A then? They are stated (to my knowledge) two times in different comics to be limited to their personal timeline.
Which means they are still bounded by time.

 

[Jaynic1]

I have a question, the new tiering system works similarly to the old one where a character has to be beyond dimensionality, space and time to be 1-A if I remember correctly.

If so, why are Beyonders 1-A then? They are stated (to my knowledge) two times in different comics to be timepolarly linear beings.

The beyonders themselves arent 1-a its their authority thats 1-a

 

[Gasper]

The beyonders themselves arent 1-a its their authority thats 1-a

They seem to be though

 

[Jaynic1]

They seem to be though https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Beyonders

Wait I thought you were talking about the lotm thread I made mb

 

[Gasper]

Wait I thought you were talking about the lotm thread I made mb

It's fine.

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

I have a question, the new tiering system works similarly to the old one where a character has to be beyond dimensionality, space and time to be 1-A if I remember correctly.

If so, why are Beyonders 1-A then? They are stated (to my knowledge) two times in different comics to be limited to their personal timeline.
Which means they are still bounded by time.

This is the argument Ultima made to address that in our current cosmology blog.

And that is not, of course, to say that there ever was time where the omniverse stood without its foundation, because as we are told: Time holds no meaning above reality, and as such the events that occur in those levels do so in a fashion that is, from the perspective of reality, eternal. Conner Sims points this out by noting that, when Eternity was captured by the First Firmament, the cage placed around him always existed from the viewpoint of the flow of time, even if, from the outside, one could trace out a linear sequence in which there was a point when Eternity was not shackled. And so this is to say: When the Second Cosmos became transmuted into Yesod, Yesod thus always was, as far as the lower planes are concerned.

The inherent atemporality of the Outside may seem hard to reconcile with how Doctor Doom states that the Beyonders are in fact linear beings, seemingly incapable of defending themselves from, or perceiving, acts of time travel. However, it should be noted that the very same storyline acknowledges that the "time travel" in question was of an unusual nature that initially confused even Doom.

Furthermore, Molecule Man explicitly states that neither he nor Doom could base their operations in the multiverse, but instead in the Library of Worlds, a space located in a version of the same realm which the Beyonders themselves inhabit, where he would be truly invisible to them. And this Library, for its part, is stated to lie in a different axis from all the worlds of the multiverse, and thus the same would hold for the Beyond itself.

This "axis," as it were, itself seems to not be anything temporal, or even narrative-based, but instead the structure of the Concordance Engine itself: In the second issue of Defenders: Beyond, events in Yesod are not framed by regular comicbook panels, but by the tubes of the Engine, and regular panels become consistently used after Loki entraps the Beyonders in a narrative arc. As such, the operations of the Beyonders are to be seen as flowing not through any kind of temporal direction, but through a personal isolated sequence instead.

 

[Gasper]

This is the argument Ultima made to address that in our current cosmology blog.

Well, the scan about Doom "acknowledges that the "time travel" in question was of an unusual nature that initially confused even Doom." Dosen't really mean anything or am i missing something here?
And the second half of that post has nothing really to do with what i'm saying. Comics say for the fact that Beyonders are linear beings.

But again, i'm not trying to downgrade them, just feels kinda weird for us to ignore that.

 

[Executor_N0]

But again, i'm not trying to downgrade them, just feels kinda weird for us to ignore that.

From what I understood from Ultima's explanation, it's not that it's ignored, but rather that what is meant for "linear time" for the Beyonders isn't necessarily the same as the physical linear time, although they can be compared. Basically, just a mechanic to reconcile the fact that they are linear, is, of course, in their nature, but they still have a lot of statements of being beyond time.

This is something that our tiering system allows; it's possible to have something that works like physical things but is tiered beyond the physical. Basically just a way of putting limited physicality as not influencing the 1-A tiers if there's enough basis (And it's just likely the writer didn't have this perspective or didn't think enough about it).

 

[Progrev228]

Why 1-A characters can't be 3d and linear?
There in Marvel 3d characters like gwenpool and miracle man which see infinity dimensional, non-linear, transdimensional realms as fiction but compared to their universe's they 3d and linear.

 

[Executor_N0]

Why 1-A characters can't be 3d and linear?
There in Marvel 3d characters like gwenpool and miracle man which see infinity dimensional, non-linear, transdimensional realms as fiction but compared to their universe's they 3d and linear.

You can be someone who has some type of 1-A power while being 3-D and linear. In broad strokes. Like having access to some power source that has been connected to you, that has a power in the 1-A range. What you can't be is a 1-A being (As, the very nature is like that) while being 3-D and linear.

It's just like how a character can have higher-dimensional power while still being 3-D. The question is, the Beyonders aren't that, they aren't limited beings that have access to a higher power; they are that very higher power in their very nature (They directly state that as infinite beings they can't be perceived in a way that makes sense for finite beings, it's not some vague power they have access, it's just who they are).

So, how can someone be 1-A in their nature, and also seem to be limited by a physical component? That was the question.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

So, genuine question, how do we handle the newest retcon to the Omega level mutants ? Would this require a CRT to sort it out ?

I know how we treat Iceman as potentially being far higher due to how Omegas were previously defined as, but that was before the newest stuff came out, it kinda creates an entirely new perspective on how to view a lot of the fights , scenarios, and stories involving the various Omega mutants

 

[MrKerf]

So, genuine question, how do we handle the newest retcon to the Omega level mutants ? Would this require a CRT to sort it out ?

I know how we treat Iceman as potentially being far higher due to how Omegas were previously defined as, but that was before the newest stuff came out, it kinda creates an entirely new perspective on how to view a lot of the fights , scenarios, and stories involving the various Omega mutants

Which new retcon you mean?

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Which new retcon you mean?

Um, the most recent one, which is in X-Men #13 if I’m remembering right, which was in the earlier parts of this year.

Basically they changed it from “they have a limit, we just can’t determine or define what that limit is” , to “No upper limits within their powerset, those who are Omegas in the same power in raw power will always be equal in power, and the only way for them to beat each other is other factors such as skill and experience”

 

[MrKerf]

Um, the most recent one, which is in X-Men #13 if I’m remembering right, which was in the earlier parts of this year.

Basically they changed it from “they have a limit, we just can’t determine or define what that limit is” , to “No upper limits within their powerset, those who are Omegas in the same power in raw power will always be equal in power, and the only way for them to beat each other is other factors such as skill and experience”

Oh, I thought it was already the case from those Krakoa era dossiers.

 

[Hellformer]

You can be someone who has some type of 1-A power while being 3-D and linear. In broad strokes. Like having access to some power source that has been connected to you, that has a power in the 1-A range. What you can't be is a 1-A being (As, the very nature is like that) while being 3-D and linear.

I wanted to ask you something, if a realm exists in such a way that the rest of the verse is non existent in comparison to its size, does it qualify for 1-A? And even then a 3-D character can enter that with a tier 1 technological source. Does it count as an anti feat?