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Thunderbolts* Spoiler Discussion Thread

Emerald said:
This is just transformation
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It's darkness manipulation, which itself grants additional powers to Sentry like resurrection and all his other abilities.

Lightning_XXI said:
Yeah, Sentry's profile needs some major rework, it's super downplayed at the moment

- Leaving him at 8-C isn't necessary at all considering his other feats and the numerous statements in the verse and by WoG, he should simpy be 5-C, possibly 5-B for his destroying the world statement, and I also support scaling him from his own Low 4-C calculation, assuming the source can be trusted

- He also should scale to 5-C in durability, not only AP and Striking Strength, his Avengers scaling should also affect his speed, going to Relativistic+ instead of MHS+

- Also, if he can blitz Thunderbolts' MHS+ reactions, then his movement speed isn't Subsonic and should upscale fro blitzing their reaction
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Yeah, he should be straight-up "At Least / Likely 5-C".

The reasoning can be something like "Stated to be stronger than all the Avengers rolled into one by the CIA Director who oversaw the development of the Sentry project, which is a scientific achievement backed by tangible evidence. Many of the Avengers were scientifically studied to corroborate that statement, such as Captain America, Hulk, Captain Marvel (via the space stone), Vision (based on Iron Man's developments with the mind stone), and Iron Man."

Something like that
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
Yeah, this is the bit that I feel most strongly about.
He should be all around MHS+ (movement, reactions, combat), with possibly Rel+ combat speed.
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Considering he is stronger than the Avengers. He should have overall Rel+ speed.

At Least 5-C (140.6 Exatons) due him being superior to Absorption Iron Man, likely 5-B (superior to Thor) to Low 4-C (Superior to Captain Marvel)
 
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Apotheosis69 said:
Considering he is stronger than the Avengers. He should have overall Rel+ speed.
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I don't disagree necessarily, but it depends on whether or not we go with the "> Avengers" scaling as a possibly/likely. I was going off the assumption that we would, but yeah if he just straight up scales over them, then his speed would be affected too ofc.
 
Golden_Void said:
Yeah, he should be straight-up "At Least / Likely 5-C".

The reasoning can be something like "Stated to be stronger than all the Avengers rolled into one by the CIA Director who oversaw the development of the Sentry project, which is a scientific achievement backed by tangible evidence. Many of the Avengers were scientifically studied to corroborate that statement, such as Captain America, Hulk, Captain Marvel (via the space stone), Vision (based on Iron Man's developments with the mind stone), and Iron Man."

Something like that
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I fully agree with this

My proposal would be to carefully consider who and what version of the Avengers would be considered as having a "public" powerlevel

Some of the Avengers, more or less, ended on Civil War and went into hiding after that, so what level of information they had about them when they made the statement for Sentry varies
  • Wanda, for example, was only 6-B when she was an Avenger
  • Thor was out of the Earth when he became 5-C, fought IW and went into Fortnite until Endgame, then goes out of the Earth again, so I consider them to have his 6-B version in mind assuming he wasn't doing anything until EG
  • Hulk is 6-B
  • Vision is 6-B
  • Iron Man was still an Avenger all the way to his death and was 5-C by then, should help Sentry (He's also Relativistic+)
  • Same goes for war Machine who's an avenger, works for the government and was also 5-C (Also Relativistic+)
  • If Captain Marvel in the 90s counts, then it gives Sentry even more material to go by
With this in mind, Sentry's Avengers scaling should include:
  • Surpassing active 5-C members of the Avengers (Iron Man and War Machine)
  • Relativistic+ combat and reaction speed
  • Class T Lifting Strength (Scaling from Iron Man) or Class P (Scaling from Captain Marvel)
All of this goes without Sentry's own world destroying statement and his 1000 Suns calc
 
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UchihaSlayer96 said:
I don't disagree necessarily, but it depends on whether or not we go with the "> Avengers" scaling as a possibly/likely. I was going off the assumption that we would, but yeah if he just straight up scales over them, then his speed would be affected too ofc.
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Well also, the Thunderbolts* have Massively Hypersonic+ combat speed and reactions, and he absolutely blitzed them.

So I would say its consistent with him being Rel+. But we'll see
 
Apotheosis69 said:
it is consistent with being above Carol Danvers at Low 4-C. Is crazy
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What? The gap between Sentry's calc and Carol's rating is over 7,600x that's not consistent at all. If you take the Kilofoe end he's stronger than Carol by an even greater degree than her vs the 5-B+ feat.

For Sentry I'd just go with 5-C for Endgame scaling with Iron Man and the like. The 5-B and Tier 4 ratings are for cosmic people that is questionable knowledge wise.

I will say that when Sentry meets Thor or Carol he'll full scale to them, I just don't think the proper evidence is there for now.
 
Sentry scaling to/above Iron Man ironically places him at Thor's level minimum, since his suit can contain Thor's power directed through both his weapons, and his suit can also withstand the power stone which Thanos used to knock Captain Marvel out of the movie.
 
Since the very Promotional Material which obv has Knowledge of everything Constantly and Consistently says he is above the Avengers.

I would say he should be Low 4-C. If not at least a "Likely Low 4-C"
 
Apotheosis69 said:
Since the very Promotional Material which obv has Knowledge of everything Constantly and Consistently says he is above the Avengers.

I would say he should be Low 4-C. If not at least a "Likely Low 4-C"
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I'm not very familiar with the promo material but if it also has these statements then yeah, it should include characters like L&T Thor and Carol
 
Meh kind of iffy on this one since the whole "stronger than the Avengers thing" is based on people who don't what Thor and Carol have been doing post-Endgame so to me, Sentry can scale to the 5-C rating but not to L&T and The Marvels feats, at least until we see the characters meet, but that's just me
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
Meh kind of iffy on this one since the whole "stronger than the Avengers thing" is based on people who don't what Thor and Carol have been doing post-Endgame so to me, Sentry can scale to the 5-C rating but not to L&T and The Marvels feats, at least until we see the characters meet, but that's just me
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It doesn’t matter if they don’t know what she did they have done testing with their blood and know tons about them

L&T Thor didn’t even get any new feats

That’s also ignoring how it’s stated by marvel studios who does know what they did in marvels and L&T

1000 exploding suns > carol igniting 1 sun with most her power
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
Meh kind of iffy on this one since the whole "stronger than the Avengers thing" is based on people who don't what Thor and Carol have been doing post-Endgame so to me, Sentry can scale to the 5-C rating but not to L&T and The Marvels feats, at least until we see the characters meet, but that's just me
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That's for in-movie statements, WoG statements are not limited by their knowledge on the recent powerlevels for Thor and other Avengers
 
darkphantom9805 said:
It doesn’t matter if they don’t know what she did they have done testing with their blood and know tons about them
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Testing their blood doesn't mean they can prove how powerful Thor or Carol would be in future. They can always train.

The best thing is to use the Studio's statement.
 
Excellence616 said:
Testing their blood doesn't mean they can prove how powerful Thor or Carol would be in future. They can always train.

The best thing is to use the Studio's statement.
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It does and carol didn’t train nor is it ever stated she can train and get stronger Thor would be the only one who can actually grow

Meaning they already know carols peak and can deem sentry is above hence 1000 suns which is beyond carols peak of 1 sun
 
Are we supposed to believe that he has power of explode thousand suns? I don't want to believe that at all because he never even thought of showing off that level of power even when he was controlled by the void. He didn't even think of expanding his darkness to over entire world. I only saw it stop at New York city And I don't even believe that Valentina really knows the full extent of Captain Marvel and Thor's powers. After Sentry compared themselves to gods, she was ready to contradict him immediately. That shows the uncertainty of her words
 
LMalone22 said:
Are we supposed to believe that he has power of explode thousand suns? I don't want to believe that at all because he never even thought of showing off that level of power even when he was controlled by the void. He didn't even think of expanding his darkness to over entire world. I only saw it stop at New York city And I don't even believe that Valentina really knows the full extent of Captain Marvel and Thor's powers. After Sentry compared themselves to gods, she was ready to contradict him immediately. That shows the uncertainty of her words
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Why can’t he my guy their are literal multiverse busters in the mcu but someone with 1000 suns is mind boggling?

He never thought about showing his powers because he can’t the director flat out admitted in an interview they wanted the film to be grounded and focus on the thunderbolt and that not having a bunch of feats was a choice by them and they wanted the audience to realize that

It’s not sentry fault he’s capped by the fact he’s in a street tier film

LMalone22 said:
After Sentry compared themselves to gods, she was ready to contradict him immediately. That shows the uncertainty of her words
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Sentry then contradicts her by saying how powerful he is and she doesn’t even know what he’s capable of lol which is then shown by the fact she thought he was done after the kill switch only for him to immediately come back

Meaning he’s even stronger then even she thought was possible
 
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LMalone22 said:
Are we supposed to believe that he has power of explode thousand suns? I don't want to believe that at all because he never even thought of showing off that level of power even when he was controlled by the void. He didn't even think of expanding his darkness to over entire world. I only saw it stop at New York city And I don't even believe that Valentina really knows the full extent of Captain Marvel and Thor's powers. After Sentry compared themselves to gods, she was ready to contradict him immediately. That shows the uncertainty of her words
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She was ready to contradict him because Thor is a god by ancestry. Being stronger than a god doesn't make you a god, it just means you have god-like strength. That would be like Tony Stark calling himself a god. Void's power didn't stop at NYC, it was expanding slow af until it wasn't anymore.
 
LMalone22 said:
I don't see it expanding slowly out side the city, I see it expanding rapidly until it stops when it over whole city. It doesn't actually extend bridge across city
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Void is stated to be a world ending threat meaning his power would’ve went on to cover the planet it also didn’t stop it was spreading into the water and everything
 
Director Jake Schreier himself indicated that way more than just the city was indeed at stake during the movie:

"We really tried to treat it more on a character level. It’s about being in a place and how you get out of it; in this world it’s really about saving yourself and saving each other. Yes, they’re saving the world. But it starts from an internal place, and that felt like a really rich thing to explore with actors of this caliber who can really bring that to life."

A Marvel.com article also had this to say:

In time, the seemingly powerless Bob reveals his secret: As a troubled young man, he volunteered for a top-secret Super-Soldier experiment, orchestrated by Valentina Allegra de Fontaine (Julia Louis-Dreyfus). Those experiments left him with godlike powers, and Valentina tried to reinvent him as the benevolent Sentry, a golden guardian intended to serve as a protector. But eventually, Bob’s darker side manifests itself as the Void, a dark and deadly alter ego that threatens his friends and the world at large.
 
LMalone22 said:
Are we supposed to believe that he has power of explode thousand suns? I don't want to believe that at all because he never even thought of showing off that level of power even when he was controlled by the void. He didn't even think of expanding his darkness to over entire world. I only saw it stop at New York city And I don't even believe that Valentina really knows the full extent of Captain Marvel and Thor's powers. After Sentry compared themselves to gods, she was ready to contradict him immediately. That shows the uncertainty of her words
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Tbf, it's not like he needed to do that. The Void clearly has intelligence so he understands he wouldn't have to unleash that degree of power to win, not to mention he's pretty sadistic so he's willing to play with his food. As for the darkness stuff, I'm pretty sure he was planning on covering the whole world, just slowly. It only stopped because the team managed to stop him
 
Do we have to make a crt to fix sentry profile or can someone just fix it cause someone posted it before it was done some of this profile isn’t even right like in his speed section it says he caught bullets from John but he didn’t he stopped bullets from Bucky
 
darkphantom9805 said:
Do we have to make a crt to fix sentry profile or can someone just fix it cause someone posted it before it was done some of this profile isn’t even right like in his speed section it says he caught bullets from John but he didn’t he stopped bullets from Bucky
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Now that it's posted, you need a CRT unless it's just fixing minor grammatical/formatting errors.
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
Now that it's posted, you need a CRT unless it's just fixing minor grammatical/formatting errors.
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He needs that to like someone really needs to reword everything also remove stuff like some stuff aren’t even in the fight spot his speed section literally says caught bullets and threw them back at John and Bucky and sent them flying just say he stopped bullets cause sending someone flying is strength not speed etc

His profile has so much stuff like that
 
darkphantom9805 said:
He needs that to like someone really needs to reword everything also remove stuff like some stuff aren’t even in the fight spot his speed section literally says caught bullets and threw them back at John and Bucky and sent them flying just say he stopped bullets cause sending someone flying is strength not speed etc

His profile has so much stuff like that
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I'm not disputing that the profile has mistakes, and needs a lot of work. You're right on that. And it really shouldn't have been posted before getting vetted by knowledgeable members.

Be that as it may, you're aiming to revise content on a profile. You need a content revision thread.
 
If anyone has any images for The Void, I can render them; his current one is kinda eh with the white border (also got one for his Sentry suit, but it’s promo art so I’ll probably just put it in the gallery).
 
Passage of time works differently during the void

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Apparently the time it took for the thunderbolts to beat void was only like 1 second in void space which explains why he didn’t get a chance to cover the world


Also Wouldn’t this be like space time manipulation or something for void as he’s creating a different flow of time ?
 
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Well, worth noting that Void should have High 3-A Environmental Destruction inside his dimension as he apparently controls everything inside it and Bob said the world had infinite rooms. He also gets a lot of haxes in that place
 
Lightning_XXI said:
Well, worth noting that Void should have High 3-A Environmental Destruction inside his dimension as he apparently controls everything inside it and Bob said the world had infinite rooms. He also gets a lot of haxes in that place
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When did he say infinite?

Also what haxes?
 
Lightning_XXI said:
When Yelena finds Bob inside the Void Dimension, he directly says there an Infinite amount of "rooms"

Although it could be my language dub, you guys don't recall anything similar ?
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Idk I went to a cam version to recheck but all I could find was him saying there’s endless rooms after the thunderbolts ask him how to escape which I think is the same as infinite in the mcu ? idk where the infinite scene is at ? You got a scan ?
 
darkphantom9805 said:
Idk I went to a cam version to recheck but all I could find was him saying there’s endless rooms after the thunderbolts ask him how to escape which I think is the same as infinite in the mcu ? idk where the infinite scene is at ? You got a scan ?
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That's the scene I'm talking about, so it's "endless" in the original english version, eh, not that impressive then
 
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