Pernida vs Saitama (9-4-1)

[Catbowtie]

I mean yeah sure duplication regen but Saitama solely being stomped because of HIGH MID regeneration is a crazy thing to say.

The point that people are making is that Saitama would need to liquify Pernida, which we don’t know how many times above someone Saitama needs to be in order to do that.

Saitama FRA btw.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

No it's not. Garou could not do the same.

Garo's copying is different.

Plus, Saitama doesn't have resistance to power mimicry on his profile.

Willpower and Limiter based abilities aren't based on biology or etc.

Even if you completely change biologically, you retain the limiter.

Yeah, I know, but Pernida copies things via information.

I mean yeah sure duplication regen but Saitama solely being stomped because of HIGH MID regeneration is a crazy thing to say. (I’m still Pernida FRA)

Ok, that's fair.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Garou’s limit has nothing to do with Pernida.

 

[Kachon123]

Garou’s limit has nothing to do with Pernida.

Except Pernida is copying biology and abilities. Saitama was of normal birth, his growth is not inherent to him or his biology. To have his growth, you specifically need to break The Limiter

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The Limiter (リミッター, Rimittā?) is a barrier placed by God on all beings in the One-Punch Man world that restricts their physical growth[1]. The limiter acts as a sort of cap to an individual's growth, making it impossible to grow past a certain point[1]. There are different ways to bypass the...

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And even that is not enough as Garou who did the same still had exponential growth far inferior to Saitama.

 

[MrTayman616]

Garou’s limit has nothing to do with Pernida.

Garou can copy and recreate anything that involves the flow of energy and universal forces(fundamental forces, literally everything in the universe) but it doesn't include willpower abilities. His willpower abilities lets the soul grow too in weird ways, which isn't biological. VGS which recreates the abilities from the brainwaves can't detect willpower based abilities.

When you try to become Saitama biologically, you'd technically become a new existence biologically but you still retain the limiter.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Ok, quick question, how do we determine their starting range? Pernida has the higher standard range, but Saitama has the much higher range via shockwaves.

 

[Kachon123]

Ok, quick question, how do we determine their starting range? Pernida has the higher standard range, but Saitama has the much higher range via shockwaves.

The location is in Z-City, meaning the maximum distance between them is 441 km. SBA however has it at 4 km.

 

[Kachon123]

When Pernida breaks his limiter he can have indefinite exponential growth. Since he hasn't there is no debate.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Garou can copy and recreate anything that involves the flow of energy and universal forces(fundamental forces, literally everything in the universe) but it doesn't include willpower abilities. His willpower abilities lets the soul grow too in weird ways, which isn't biological. VGS which recreates the abilities from the brainwaves can't detect willpower based abilities.

When you try to become Saitama biologically, you'd technically become a new existence biologically but you still retain the limiter.

Pernida who is the the literal arm of Adyneus that governs over advancement will not be limited by this lol. The moment it touches Saitama he will gain all of his characteristics. The supernatural willpower is a characteristic trait of Saitama which means he will gain it too.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

The location is in Z-City, meaning the maximum distance between them is 441 km. SBA however has it at 4 km.

SBA's maximum starting range is four kilometers; however, I was wondering if we based it off their highest usable range, because otherwise they would be about 20 meters apart. But, since Saitama does use his shockwaves in combat, I guess they start four kilometers apart.

That does pose a big problem for Pernida since it can't reach Saitama from that far away (at least, as far as our page is concerned). It could theoretically teleport near Saitama with its ability to teleport via shadows, but I don't know if it would do that.

Granted, Saitama probably wouldn't start with his shockwaves in this situation, especially since they're in Z-City, so I don't really know what to do about that.

 

[Kachon123]

Pernida who is the the literal arm of Adyneus that governs over advancement will not be limited by this lol. The moment it touches Saitama he will gain all of his characteristics. The supernatural willpower is a characteristic trait of Saitama which means he will gain it too.

Sorry but no, Pernida has not broken his limiter.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

When Pernida breaks his limiter he can have indefinite exponential growth. Since he hasn't there is no debate.

That's a One Punch Man limit not a Pernida limit.

 

[Kachon123]

Granted, Saitama probably wouldn't start with his shockwaves in this situation, especially since they're in Z-City, so I don't really know what to do about that.

Z City is an empty and baron area. Only Saitama really lives there. He'll do what he must.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Z City is an empty and baron area. Only Saitama really lives there. He'll do what he must.

He won't try to destroy the place he lives in.

 

[Kachon123]

That's a One Punch Man limit not a Pernida limit.

Prove that Pernida can copy something that is outside of biology and was specifically stated to be outside of biology. Prove that Pernida's mimicry can copy indefinite growth.

 

[Kachon123]

He won't try to destroy the place he lives in.

He won't destroy his house.

 

[Catbowtie]

The problem is that y’all are trying to equalize verses without Bleach having any similar features that the Limiter and Willpower does. Limiter and Willpower is a part of the opm verse, and Saitama gets his power from that power system in that verse.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

He won't destroy his house.

Which is in Z-City, which means he could very easily destroy it on accident if he does for a big shockwave right off the bat.

 

[MrTayman616]

Which is in Z-City, which means he could very easily destroy it on accident if he does for a big shockwave right off the bat.

Saitama destroyed so many buildings etc. His house? never. He's a veteran in Z city.

Always fights there

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Saitama destroyed so many buildings etc. His house? never. He's a veteran in Z city.

That's true, but he's never used a shockwave that would cover at minimum four kilometers on the ground within Z-City.

 

[Kachon123]

Which is in Z-City, which means he could very easily destroy it on accident if he does for a big shockwave right off the bat.

It's not really a risk considering he fights there all the time. He literally made a city-wide shockwave when he one-shotted Rover. Also, I forgot that Saitama lives in A-City now so his house wouldn't be a hinderance regardless.

 

[MrTayman616]

That's true, but he's never used a shockwave that would cover at minimum four kilometers on the ground within Z-City.

He caused earthquakes in the entire city. With his only worry being his house lmao

 

[Kachon123]

That's true, but he's never used a shockwave that would cover at minimum four kilometers on the ground within Z-City.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Prove that Pernida can copy something that is outside of biology and was specifically stated to be outside of biology. Prove that Pernida's mimicry can copy indefinite growth.

Saitama doesnt have resistance to his power being copied. You saying no is not a counterargument. Pernida gains all of the persons traits even style of speech. There is no reason whatsoever he cannot copy this limit breaker which Saitama already has when Pernida literally becomes Saitama.

 

[Catbowtie]

Saitama doesnt have resistance to his power being copied. You saying no is not a counterargument. Pernida gains all of the persons traits even style of speech. There is no reason whatsoever he cannot copy this limit breaker which Saitama already has when Pernida literally becomes Saitama.

THE LIMITER AND WILLPOWER IS A PART OF THE VERSE, NOT SAITAMA HIMSELF (I think)

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

THE LIMITER AND WILLPOWER IS A PART OF THE VERSE, NOT SAITAMA HIMSELF (I think)

According to the description of it in the limiter page it is a limit placed on beings in OPM by God. That is a weakness of OPM characters, this has no hindrance to characters outside of the verse in a neutral setting to allow cross verse battles.

Its like me going around saying no you can't hurt Pernida because your attacks have no reishi lmao.

Or saying no you can't copy Aizen’s power because he has broken the limit between Shinigami and hollow and has become transcendent.

 

[MrTayman616]

Saitama doesnt have resistance to his power being copied. You saying no is not a counterargument. Pernida gains all of the persons traits even style of speech. There is no reason whatsoever he cannot copy this limit breaker which Saitama already has when Pernida literally becomes Saitama.

Willpower&Limiter system isn't something you can achieve by biological copy.

He copies his style of speech etc doesn't change it. Because it's not biological or anything. His nerves can't evolve to that point because limiter is not related to it at all(kinda is, but not like that.)

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

It's not really a risk considering he fights there all the time. He literally made a city-wide shockwave when he one-shotted Rover. Also, I forgot that Saitama lives in A-City now so his house wouldn't be a hinderance regardless.

He caused earthquakes in the entire city. With his only worry being his house lmao

He was underground when he fought Rover.

Oh yeah, he does live in A-City now. I forgot.

Still, he usually doesn't start with shockwaves from four kilometers away.

 

[Johner2133451]

Counted

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Still, if the main argument is that Saitama will use shockwaves from four kilometers away, then it's a stomp because Pernida can't attack him from that far away.

 

[Johner2133451]

Still, if the main argument is that Saitama will use shockwaves from four kilometers away, then it's a stomp because Pernida can't attack him from that far away.

Will Saitama do that as a first move?

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Will Saitama do that as a first move?

Usually, no. His big shockwaves are usually byproducts of his punches, and he usually likes to get close to his opponents before he punches them.

 

[Johner2133451]

...
isn't it grace

Not 24h yet

 

[Raiden38]

Saitama FRA

 

[Johner2133451]

Usually, no. His big shockwaves are usually byproducts of his punches, and he usually likes to get close to his opponents before he punches them.

Do you wanna cast your vote?

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Do you wanna cast your vote?

I think I'll go with Pernida for now for the reasons above just because Saitama usually doesn't attack from kilometers away.

 

[Johner2133451]

A confirmation that @Adam1396 gave his vote in the thread

So it's 9-4 currently

 

[MrTayman616]

Still, if the main argument is that Saitama will use shockwaves from four kilometers away, then it's a stomp because Pernida can't attack him from that far away.

I think I'll go with Pernida for now for the reasons above just because Saitama usually doesn't attack from kilometers away.

No? no one even said shockwaves are his reasonings to win from sba distance as far as i'm aware.

You just asked for range of the fight and Saitama's will to use them in Z city.

 

[Specterxxxx]

Why show it when it's literally in the same page. Also still your misunderstanding. I didn't say "steel level" is literal. I said it's literal based on your logic.

Again, why would you emphasise on that without taking it literally??

All my stats increased, so durability of my hair has increased and now i can't shave anything. My intelligence got 1000 times higher because i got 1000 times stronger for all stats. I'm 1000 times more skilled because all stats increased. My size is 1000 times bigger because all stats increased. Etc etc. Same for this.

Again, as long as his durability has increased and his internal durability is linked, then they scale to each other. This is an invalid argument.

This ^

*sigh, what I was saying, is if you knew everything didn't need feats, you wouldn't have brought it up as a counter to something that doesn't need feats.

That's like saying durability itself is layered lmao(kinda it is i guess?). Your logic approves "He wasn't able to resist this internal attack with his 7-B internal durability, so it can't be resisted with 3-B internal durability either

I like how you agree that durability is layered lol so I am not even gonna respond to that. No my logic approves "he wasn't able to resist an internal Durability with 4A internal durability even while he was trillions of times stronger than pernida so saitama having a 100× gap wouldn't help him either". You are the one who has to prove kenpachi's internal durability isnt equal his external durability not the other way around.

What? I don't need to prove that. You're the one making the claim that "Internal durability doesn't matter for this internal attack".

Yes you do need to prove that. Yes and the claim is proven by kenpachi not being able to resist pernida's attack despite his internal durability scaling to his external durability so saitama wouldn't either.

 

[Specterxxxx]

It's willpower system of OPM. Saitama scales to everything here.

Those ninjas had body control on that level via willpower before they were monsterized. They use it to change monsterization.

Again a limited resistance isn't helping him here lmao