Pernida vs Saitama (9-4-1)

[Specterxxxx]

Gamma ray burst is a common knowledge... what? Saitama was completely unaware of what it was. (Also it's Saitama lol)

The knowledge exists already that's what I mean but disregard that for a bit he saw garou prepping an attack that is generating massive amounts of energy this doesn't apply to an attack he wouldn't even see at first and wouldn't dodge because saitama barely dodges especially an opponent 100 times weaker.

Saitama is extremely durable internally, has resistance to biological manipulation + has extreme body control (entire body on a cellular level for both.)

It wouldn't work against Saitama

Kenpachi is also as durable on the inside as he is on the outside and can harden his body with his reiatsu defense that didn't change a thing when pernida low diffed him. Also I don't see where saitama has resistance to biological manipulation on his profile and where is the feat of him having complete control of his nerves and what is the feat of resisting biological manipulation?

 

[Robo432343]

This?

It says it's a limited resistance so I'm not sure how much help it will be, and going by the image linked, I'm not sure why it'd do anything to prevent him from having his body pulled apart or compressed into a meatball.

yeah pernida fra

 

[MrTayman616]

Kenpachi is also as durable on the inside as he is on the outside and can harden his body with his reiatsu defense that didn't change a thing when pernida low diffed him. Also I don't see where saitama has resistance to biological manipulation on his profile and where is the feat of him having complete control of his nerves and what is the feat of resisting biological manipulation?

Kenpachi's internal durability is nowhere comparable to Saitama's. Also it lacks feats to show about how durable it is if iirc.

Here. Not "nerves" but the entire body on a cellular level(which includes nerves, no?).

 

[Hellscream]

Pernida literally copies his biology, by touching him and becomes Saitama, GG.

 

[Johner2133451]

Pernida literally copies his biology, by touching him and becomes Saitama, GG.

You cast your vote?

 

[MrTayman616]

Pernida literally copies his biology, by touching him and becomes Saitama, GG.

Garou was copying him in every moment yet failed. Also willpower based abilities are beyond biology.

 

[Hellscream]

Garou was copying him in every moment yet failed.

Non-argument
Copying abilities / power is not equivalent to copying their full biology.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

guessing Saitama isn’t having any luck against quincies that are related to the soul king

 

[Johner2133451]

guessing Saitama isn’t having any luck against quinces that are related to the soul king

True, he lost to Gerard who is the Soul King's heart. Now Pernida which is the left hand

 

[MrTayman616]

Copying abilities / power is not equivalent to copying their full biology.

What would be the difference? (I mean him copying the biology causes what?)

 

[Specterxxxx]

Kenpachi's internal durability is nowhere comparable to Saitama's. Also it lacks feats to show about how durable it is if iirc.

Here. Not "nerves" but the entire body on a cellular level(which includes nerves, no?).

It doesn't need feats, we already know it is protected by reaitsu which suggests his inner body is as strong as his outer body.

It shows limited resistance to a form of biological manipulation that is vastly different from pernida's compulsory and axions, dendrites and the terminal ends of some nerve fibers connecting to cells are smaller than cells.

 

[Hellscream]

What would be the difference?

One copies a certain aspect of a character, such as an ability or w/e.
The other literally becomes the character.

Copying the abilities / what a character does is not equivalent to literally becoming the character.

 

[MrTayman616]

One copies a certain aspect of a character, such as an ability or w/e.
The other literally becomes the character.

Copying the abilities / what a character does is not equivalent to literally becoming the character.

Not that, i meant that how does it help here?

Even if he becomes "Saitama". It wouldn't include willpower/limiter based abilities.

He would be overwhelmed by RE etc.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

True, he lost to Gerard who is the Soul King's heart. Now Pernida which is the left hand

Is he even able to fight Lille

 

[Johner2133451]

Is he even able to fight Lille

Probably? He did tanked Empty Void's dimensional slashes that cut through space (tho retconned but still possible)

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Probably? He did tanked Empty Void's dimensional slashes that cut through space (tho retconned but still possible)

Talking about the enhanced intangibility. Also wym retconned?

 

[Johner2133451]

Talking about the enhanced intangibility. Also wym retconned?

Probably just base Lille

Saitama's feat of catching EV's space cutting slashes were redrawned

 

[Hellscream]

Not that, i meant that how does it help here?

Even if he becomes "Saitama". It wouldn't include willpower/limiter based abilities.

He would be overwhelmed by RE etc

So you're basically claiming, that his "limiter" based abilities have nothing to do with his biology correct?

Prove that claim

 

[Epiccheev]

do anti spiral vs saitama next

Both are bald and drawn like scribbles (ONE version)

 

[MrTayman616]

So you're basically claiming, that his "limiter" based abilities have nothing to do with his biology correct?

Garou can copy and recreate anything that involves the flow of energy and universal forces(fundamental forces, literally everything in the universe) but it doesn't include willpower abilities. His willpower abilities lets the soul grow too in weird ways, which isn't biological. VGS which recreates the abilities from the brainwaves can't detect willpower based abilities.

Btw, i'm not saying limiter doesn't affect biology or that they are unrelated. But the abilities from it aren't from the biology. Copying biology wouldn't make you achieve that.

When you try to become Saitama biologically, you'd technically become a new existence but you still retain the limiter.

 

[Johner2133451]

It doesn't need feats, we already know it is protected by reaitsu which suggests his inner body is as strong as his outer body.

It shows limited resistance to a form of biological manipulation that is vastly different from pernida's compulsory and axions, dendrites and the terminal ends of some nerve fibers connecting to cells are smaller than cells.

You cast your vote yet?

 

[MrTayman616]

It doesn't need feats, we already know it is protected by reaitsu which suggests his inner body is as strong as his outer body.

Everything needs feat, or statements. lmao.

It shows limited resistance to a form of biological manipulation that is vastly different from pernida's compulsory and axions, dendrites and the terminal ends of some nerve fibers connecting to cells are smaller than cells.

...nerves are made of cells, can you show me when he affects anything above cellular level with this ability?

 

[Specterxxxx]

Everything needs feat, or statements. lmao.

Not everything, this is like saying your right fist is capable of stopping a punch that can shatter a planet (feat) you would also need a feat of your left fist capable of doing the same. There is established link between his internal durability and external are both protected by reaitsu so he doesn't need feats of durability for internal body when that link has already been estblash

nerves are made of cells, can you show me when he affects anything above cellular level with this ability?

Like I said axion and dendrites are part of the nerves in your body and pernida can manipulate nerves, also you need to provide info of saitama resisting abilities like the compulsory.

 

[MrTayman616]

Not everything, this is like saying your right fist is capable of stopping a punch that can shatter a planet (feat) you would also need a feat of your left fist capable of doing the same. There is established link between his internal durability and external are both protected by reaitsu so he doesn't need feats of durability for internal body when that link has already been estblash

You know that's not i meant by "Everything" lmao. Also this does require it.

Like I said axion and dendrites are part of the nerves in your body and pernida can manipulate nerves, also you need to provide info of saitama resisting abilities like the compulsory.

It's not the case like that. "I can manipulate human body, human body has particles, i can manipulate particles."

Did he show that he can manipulate neurons and the parts of the neurons? Just "he manipulate nerves" aren't enough.

 

[Specterxxxx]

You cast your vote yet?

Pernida FRA

You know that's not i meant by "Everything" lmao. Also this does require it.

If that wasn't what you meant then you shouldn't have made that statement. And it doesn't, this is enough evidence to scale his internal durability to his external durability. I won't address this further.

It's not the case like that. "I can manipulate human body, human body has particles, i can manipulate particles."

Did he show that he can manipulate neurons and the parts of the neurons? Just "he manipulate nerves" aren't enough.

Why would I need to do this when saitama hasn't even shown resistance against something like the compulsory? Because he can resist monsterification isn't enough

 

[MrTayman616]

If that wasn't what you meant then you shouldn't have made that statement. And it doesn't, this is enough evidence to scale his internal durability to his external durability. I won't address this further.

Oh you seriously mean that? So wanna take this statement seriously as well? "as hard as steel". they shouldn't have made it if that wasn't the case since there is no possible way something obviously means something else, right?

You're gonna tell me it's logical?

Also i don't see anything that shows internal durability = external durability. Not based on the profile at least. (Its on a level where Cien of that time could slash it. Or steel ig :d)

Why would I need to do this when saitama hasn't even shown resistance against something like the compulsory? Because he can resist monsterification isn't enough

Monsterification affect every part of the body on a cellular level. Including the nerves.

His internal durability itself lmao.

 

[Johner2133451]

Lot of a biology experts here

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

I read the discussion and I vote for Pernida because of Regen, Duplication and Reactive Evolution.

 

[Johner2133451]

Grace started

 

[Specterxxxx]

Oh you seriously mean that? So wanna take this statement seriously as well? "as hard as steel". they shouldn't have made it if that wasn't the case since there is no possible way something obviously means something else, right?

You were literally corrected by people that this is a figure of speech not mean to be taken literally lol. Durability and strength is sourced from reiatsu, if his organs are too durable to destroyed it means, they are also protected by his reaistu and thus would scale to his reaistu potency. You are literally implying the strongest arrancar would be stopped by the durability of "steel".

Tell me whats the best figure of speech that would have been used here except "hard as steel"?

You're gonna tell me it's logical?

Yes.

Also i don't see anything that shows internal durability = external durability. Not based on the profile at least. (Its on a level where Cien of that time could slash it. Or steel ig :d)

But you see that his reaistu can harden his body IN HIS PROFILE and if you check the soul physiology page you would see reaistu boosts all stats and bleach follows a universal energy system so connect two and two together my friend.

Monsterification affect every part of the body on a cellular level. Including the nerves.

Okay? Still doesn't mean he can gain control from something actively trying to manipulate his nerves which monsterification doesn't do.

Also addressing this scan. They had to become monsters first before maintaining their form. Their will power doesn't even override the process, there only able to resist becoming violent beasts and maintain a human form. This isn't helping saitama resist anything lmao.

His internal durability itself lmao

Doesn't matter, the same way it didn't matter for kenpachi.

 

[MrTayman616]

You were literally corrected by people that this is a figure of speech not mean to be taken literally lol. Durability and strength is sourced from reiatsu, if his organs are too durable to destroyed it means, they are also protected by his reaistu and thus would scale to his reaistu potency. You are literally implying the strongest arrancar would be stopped by the durability of "steel".

Tell me whats the best figure of speech that would have been used here except "hard as steel"?

...Are you kidding with me? That's literally what i'm saying. You're the one who took it very literal.

You know that's not i meant by "Everything" lmao. Also this does require it.

If that wasn't what you meant then you shouldn't have made that statement.

Forgot this instantly? Then saying i'm the one taking it literal lmao.

Yes.

"When it helps, it's not literal but when it doesn't, it is literal" huh.

But you see that his reaistu can harden his body IN HIS PROFILE and if you check the soul physiology page you would see reaistu boosts all stats and bleach follows a universal energy system so connect two and two together my friend.

Reaistu boost all stats is vague. Doesn't mean internal durability = external durability. Also Cien could slash it.

Okay? Still doesn't mean he can gain control from something actively trying to manipulate his nerves which monsterification doesn't do.

Also addressing this scan. They had to become monsters first before maintaining their form. Their will power doesn't even override the process, there only able to resist becoming violent beasts and maintain a human form. This isn't helping saitama resist anything lmao.

No. Monsterification, their cells changing competely, they control it via body control. every cell in the body.

"Their will power doesn't even override the process" They are the one who choosed to become monsters.

Doesn't matter, the same way it didn't matter for kenpachi.

Lower than Cien's slash AP internal durability.

Also why wouldn't it matter again? Does internal durability somehow isn't related to being torn apart inside?

 

[Specterxxxx]

.Are you kidding with me? That's literally what i'm saying. You're the one who took it very literal.

Where?

Forgot this instantly? Then saying i'm the one taking it literal lmao.

Lmao What?! I meant if you understood the established durability link between his innards and his body is tied, then there is no need for a feat for his innards in this case meaning your "everything needs feats" was a pointless argument here when it didn't need one and the only way to take that comment considering the context of what i said was literal.

When it helps, it's not literal but when it doesn't, it is literal" huh.

Reread what I said earlier please and don't be misinformed.

Reaistu boost all stats is vague. Doesn't mean internal durability = external durability. Also Cien could slash it

"Reaistu boosts all stats" is vague??? How more blatant can this be and how is that vague?

"Probably" is a key word there and also yes his zanpakuto attacks should be more powerful than his wrist. It has been established already that zanpakuto are more powerful than bare hands in terms of force case in point when byakuya uses hakuda to fight hisagi with a zanpakuto. But nevertheless, weaker forms of ichigo have crushed steel, grimjoww in base matched ichigo's zanpakuto (steel at the very least) with his bare hands and dominated him. Your premise is assuming the durability of steel wouldn't be crushed by the strongest arrancar which is blatantly false and the only interpretation here would be a simile statement which is again a figure of speech.

No. Monsterification, their cells changing competely, they control it via body control. every cell in the body.

"Their will power doesn't even override the process" They are the one who choosed to become monsters.

The scan literally says after bruh, they control it via their will to not turn to beasts which is why the resistance is limited is because they simply don't override the effect only mitigate what happens to them.

I know they chose to be monsters but there is no scan that says they can completely override the monsterification effect hence the limited addition. So yes this isn't enough

Lower than Cien's slash AP internal durability.

What are you talking about? Are you saying it wouldn't withstand a zanpakuto attack? Yes the same kenpachi's body would be also damaged from that same assault. Cien and kenpachi were relative when they fought bruh.

Also why wouldn't it matter again? Does internal durability somehow isn't related to being torn apart inside?

You were the one who brought up Internal durability, and the relevance of the counter shows you people with Internal durability can't survive the compulsory.

 

[MrTayman616]

Where?

Me rn: -> . You're kidding me right?

Reaistu boosts all stats" is vague??? How more blatant can this be and how is that vague?

"Probably" is a key word there and also yes his zanpakuto attacks should be more powerful than his wrist. It has been established already that zanpakuto are more powerful than bare hands in terms of force case in point when byakuya uses hakuda to fight hisagi with a zanpakuto. But nevertheless, weaker forms of ichigo have crushed steel, grimjoww in base matched ichigo's zanpakuto (steel at the very least) with his bare hands and dominated him. Your premise is assuming the durability of steel wouldn't be crushed by the strongest arrancar which is blatantly false and the only interpretation here would be a simile statement which is again a figure of speech.

Meant that "all stats" doesn't apply to absolutely every kind of stats.

Also everything you're arguing there are statements i never even said. I'm not saying it's steel level, i'm saying "With your logic" it's steel level.

It's around the level of Cein of that time. That is all. Kenpachi was simply not durable enough internally.

The scan literally says after bruh, they control it via their will to not turn to beasts which is why the resistance is limited is because they simply don't override the effect only mitigate what happens to them.

I know they chose to be monsters but there is no scan that says they can completely override the monsterification effect hence the limited addition. So yes this isn't enough

They don't hold any of their stat or anything when they are not in the monster form, It has no effect if they are not in the monster form. Aka body control on a cellular level.

Reread what I said earlier please and don't be misinformed.

Pls reread from beginning since you're the one who believe my argument is "it's steel level" then saying i'm the misinformed one here.

You were the one who brought up Internal durability, and the relevance of the counter shows you people with Internal durability can't survive the compulsory.

There is no such thing as "it can't be survived with internal durability" when it's an internal attack lmao. Kenpachi wasn't internally durable enough is all.

Sry everyone, for this

 

[Specterxxxx]

Me rn: -> . You're kidding me right?

Show me where I did that, I am still waiting. Because the only thing you have shown is a statement that I was supposed to take literal because of the context of my comment.

Meant that "all stats" doesn't apply to absolutely every kind of stats.

As long as it includes durability and it shows this, then it's enough. I am not going to argue with you about semantics here.

Also everything you're arguing there are statements i never even said. I'm not saying it's steel level, i'm saying "With your logic" it's steel level.

Again what logic?

It's around the level of Cein of that time. That is all. Kenpachi was simply not durable enough internally.

Again kenpachi was also around the level of cien in stats and ap when they fought. So obviously lol.

They don't hold any of their stat or anything when they are not in the monster form, It has no effect if they are not in the monster form. Aka body control on a cellular level.

What does this even mean? Unless they have shown the ability to override it, a limited resistance is not going to help saitama if he still gets affected either way lol.

Pls reread from beginning since you're the one who believe my argument is "it's steel level" then saying i'm the misinformed one here.

That's what you are implying, if you disagree that it wasn't a figure of speech then you are saying it is literal hence the "hard as steel" cause why would you even bring that up if that isn't your argument?

There is no such thing as "it can't be survived with internal durability" when it's an internal attack lmao

There is such a thing when it specifically bypasses internal durability as well, unless saitama's is layered, then it can't be survived lol.

. Kenpachi wasn't internally durable enough is all.

You have yet to prove that.

 

[MrTayman616]

Show me where I did that, I am still waiting. Because the only thing you have shown is a statement that I was supposed to take literal because of the context of my comment.

Why show it when it's literally in the same page. Also still your misunderstanding. I didn't say "steel level" is literal. I said it's literal based on your logic.

As long as it includes durability and it shows this, then it's enough. I am not going to argue with you about semantics here.

All my stats increased, so durability of my hair has increased and now i can't shave anything. My intelligence got 1000 times higher because i got 1000 times stronger for all stats. I'm 1000 times more skilled because all stats increased. My size is 1000 times bigger because all stats increased. Etc etc. Same for this.

Again what logic?

If that wasn't what you meant then you shouldn't have made that statement.

This ^

That's what you are implying, if you disagree that it wasn't a figure of speech then you are saying it is literal hence the "hard as steel" cause why would you even bring that up if that isn't your argument?

You are kidding with me....

I said it because you're the one who took my statement before LITERAL. I just basically said "if you're taking that extremely literal, take this literal as well"

There is such a thing when it specifically bypasses internal durability as well, unless saitama's is layered, then it can't be survived lol.

That's like saying durability itself is layered lmao(kinda it is i guess?). Your logic approves "He wasn't able to resist this internal attack with his 7-B internal durability, so it can't be resisted with 3-B internal durability either."

You have yet to prove that.

...What? I don't need to prove that. You're the one making the claim that "Internal durability doesn't matter for this internal attack".

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Has Saitama ever been monsterized? Reading the scan this resistance seems only apply to people who have gone through monsterization. But they can keep their human said as opposed to turning into savage beast.

 

[MrTayman616]

Has Saitama ever been monsterized? Reading the scan this resistance seems only apply to people who have gone through monsterization. But they can keep their human said as opposed to turning into savage beast.

It's willpower system of OPM. Saitama scales to everything here.

Those ninjas had body control on that level via willpower before they were monsterized. They use it to change monsterization.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Jesus Christ, I left for a day, and now it's up to six pages.

Also, dear god, Johner, stop making Bleach vs One-Punch Man threads (at least, stop making bad ones).

Is that fear manipulation though? They decide who's a small fry based on it from what i see, which means it shouldn't be fear manipulation since it's based on the level of strength, no?

Does it work for stronger opponents?

It is fear inducement. The opponent's strength effects whether they're affected by the aura, but the strength difference is not what causes them to feel fear.

This is what Tayman is talking about (skip to 7:56)

And no, Boros was completely liquidated. What’s stopping Saitama from doing the same thing to Pernida?

That's anime only.

A lot of Boro's body was still intact in the manga. (Well, intact enough that Pernida would have no issue regenerating and/or duplicating from the damage).

 

[Johner2133451]

Jesus Christ, I left for a day, and now it's up to six pages.

Welcome to the 7th

Also, dear god, Johner, stop making Bleach vs One-Punch Man threads (at least, stop making bad ones).

Maybe if GTA 6 actually came out

 

[MrTayman616]

A lot of Boro's body was still intact in the manga. (Well, intact enough that Pernida would have no issue regenerating and/or duplicating from the damage).

Saitama doesn't even have a wincon.

Or i don't understand the requirement for beating High-mid :d