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It is not grammar issue and it is same in CN
This text never implies that any dragon can take authority of each archon, it is just your assumption and never was my claim.
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This text never implies that any dragon can take authority of each archon, it is just your assumption and never was my claim.
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Okay, I posted that Neuvillette thing as an possibility, if mods will think that it is too roundabout way of things then ok
I myself like simple things more, just wanted to give it a chance
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The problem with this chain scaling is how one speculative rating to leading another speculative rating which is pretty ridiculous. It's like "I think A can destroy a building, and A kinda consider B as strong, So B must be also as strong as A. C might be also stronger than B (vague assumption again) so A and C should have the same rating". This is probably the most whacked chain scaling I've seen.
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Thats just a matter of replacing someone's position, it doesn't mean that Egeria's physical strength is equal to Hydro Dragon whatsoever.
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Famitsu Magazine 1867
All archons are god but not all gods are Archons (Natlan is the exception). Teyvat Gods are a species
When has genshin refer to Primordial or Shades as gods?
Again, i never said this, i litterally said "Neuvi is comparable to his old version in power, which fought the Shades"
Let me simplificate it to you "Og sovereing hydro = Neuvi Hydro authority"
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0/10 rage bait
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Well they possessed all authorities as a "group",
as in "that group had all the authorities because each individual in that group had 1 authority so total combined that group had all 7 authorities", it doesn't mean each of them has each authority, and that is what Neuvillette's Character story mentions, it put's all authorities in a "group".
i never said that each dragon had each authority.
hope this clears some cloud.
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Skirk said that Neuvillette's raw power is said to be like mixed with the gnosis
So like Archons + Gnosis Power = Raw Power Full Authority Dragon Sovereigns
So like Archons + Gnosis Power = Raw Power Full Authority Dragon Sovereigns
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What is this?
Yes, So we have to understand who this word god refers to? Is it just Harvia class?
unknown god is called a god, right? then when nikole explains fate to travelers she uses the word god which refers to heavenly, because the heavenly principles governs the fate, enjou also once said that gods and celestia come from outside the world
doesn't prove he's stronger
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Unknown god was never rly confirmed as a shade outright yet. But I can agree with Shades also being Gods. But they are not the same kind of existence as Celestia Gods and Normal Gods and also Archons.
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Archon is a title and Sovereign is a Race
I don't think making a general rule like this is good given the variation of power among archons.
and your conclusion is wrong, skirk sensed gnosis because Neuvillete had gnosis at that time, so that was not the raw power of Neuvillete as gnosis was just with him, skirk said it herself.
so no, your conclusion is wrong
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She talks about his power thats like mixed with the power of the Gnosis, the keyword in here is his Power, ofc we know at that time he had a gnosis on him but Skirk is talking about his power thats like Mixed with the gnosis power.
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and skirk herself said that it was because he had gnosis at that time on him.
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i dont get it, are you sauing each dragon can have more than one authority or one dragon one elemental authority
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each can have only one.
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And we know Neuvi never use a gnosis nor does he need it, and she said that his power is like mixed with the gnosis power.
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Okay good, so then how did you conclude ei>neuvi if ur aware than neuvi has whole hydro authority and according to you arguments shogun is superior than makoto who only posseses Part of electro authority stolen from that sovereign
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Because makoto also had one of the seven authorities who are stolen part of dragon's "power".
Authority is not stolen in part of "Authority" but as in part of "power" like furina mentioned before, I don't know where you got that conclusion.
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your op litteraly uses those arguments to prove ei is stronger than neuvi, so how is Ei stronger than someone with full ass authority if shes only superiorn than someone with a PART of authority
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you should refer to my older post which explains what "part of authorities" means
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i mean, one archon get one authority, not part of the authority, that's why in neuvilette's profile part 5 it explains, he get back 1 of 7 authority, which means the other 6 are still with the archons.
what neuvillette explained is part of power soveriegn which becomes the authority of archon. not part of authority
part of power refers to the authority itself, so each archon holds 1 authority, not half or part of the authority.
for example I liken the number 123 to the full power of dragon, and authority is the number 3, what is seized by the heavenly principle is only the number 3 (authority), this number 3 is given to the archon.
what neuvillette explained is part of power soveriegn which becomes the authority of archon. not part of authority
part of power refers to the authority itself, so each archon holds 1 authority, not half or part of the authority.
for example I liken the number 123 to the full power of dragon, and authority is the number 3, what is seized by the heavenly principle is only the number 3 (authority), this number 3 is given to the archon.
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i dont care abt he has 1/7 authorities therefore archons still have 6 thats normal ******* thing i talk abt ei>part of authority>Full hydro authority neuvi
THATS what the issue is
THATS what the issue is
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Neutral on the Raiden calc tho I do have two issues.
- One is that the distance for the 100 miles is given through a poem which makes me pretty skeptical if it should be taken literally. Since the in-game to in-lore distance affects quite a few calcs I'll try to look into it more later to see if there's any better alternatives since the Keqing statement also doesn't seem usable.
- My second issue is the assumption that Raiden turned the rocks into plasma. The statement about Orobashi specifically says that it was his ichor which turned into plasma, which would be his blood. Now admitedly I am not an expert on thermodynamics, infact I kinda sucked at it while doing physics in both school and uni but I'd imagine it's easier to turn a liquid plasma than a solid, so I don't think this statement alone indicates the rocks got turned into plasma.
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Theres a reason why is Archons doesn't have Greater of their Specifict elements.
Neuvillette have the ABSOLUTE Authority/Control over Hydro that even Celestia A.K.A the Heavenly Principles does not have the Authority of Hydro anymore, thats why he can give random people a hydro vision whenever he wants.
Archons authority is under Celestia control, Celestia took a small part of the Archons power/Authority and give it to random humans in teyvat, and if the Archons manage to give their power to Allogenes they will got a reward from Celestia.
"From that day on, whenever a person's wishes reached the heavens, the seven overseersof the material realm were duty-bound to grant them a gift. Though they might know nothing of who or what wish had stepped into the threshold of the sacred, the Seven Archons still had to impart a shattered shard of their mastery to that person. And when one so gifted completed their duty... the gift the gods would receive in return would be more abundant still."
Neuvillette have the ABSOLUTE Authority/Control over Hydro that even Celestia A.K.A the Heavenly Principles does not have the Authority of Hydro anymore, thats why he can give random people a hydro vision whenever he wants.
Archons authority is under Celestia control, Celestia took a small part of the Archons power/Authority and give it to random humans in teyvat, and if the Archons manage to give their power to Allogenes they will got a reward from Celestia.
"From that day on, whenever a person's wishes reached the heavens, the seven overseersof the material realm were duty-bound to grant them a gift. Though they might know nothing of who or what wish had stepped into the threshold of the sacred, the Seven Archons still had to impart a shattered shard of their mastery to that person. And when one so gifted completed their duty... the gift the gods would receive in return would be more abundant still."
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I don't know where the statement archon only has this part of authority from. As far as I know, each archon holds 1 authority, and neuvillette holds 1 too, namely hydro.
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you once again answered yourself vro… tell me how otherwise did neuvi get his full authority back right after focalors fkin died
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Doesn't this precisely prove the equality of archons and neuvilette?
because they each hold 1 authority
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What furina means to say is that whether it be archon or sovereign, Authority is always "whole" and not "part of authority",
In other words, it is part of power not authority
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The status of Archons and Dragon Sovereigns is very different
when Dragon Sovereigns regain their original power and regain their original form,
they will be one of the people who can defy the whole world and even Neuvillette is said to have the duty to judge all the gods and that will happen, we just don't know when.
Archons don't have a statement as strong as this with the Authority they have.
put aside hyperbolic or whatever is that, Neuvillette already said he can judge the whole human realm.
Now you might think he's just yapping nonsense but put aside that and lets think, how can he say that if he doesn't have strong enough power to do something like that.
when Dragon Sovereigns regain their original power and regain their original form,
they will be one of the people who can defy the whole world and even Neuvillette is said to have the duty to judge all the gods and that will happen, we just don't know when.
Archons don't have a statement as strong as this with the Authority they have.
put aside hyperbolic or whatever is that, Neuvillette already said he can judge the whole human realm.
Now you might think he's just yapping nonsense but put aside that and lets think, how can he say that if he doesn't have strong enough power to do something like that.
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for base sovereigns? whatever sure but not for
prime/authority restored ones, theres a reason they are called strongest elemental beings and reason they rival entire human realm in which archons are part of too
Neuvi once again blatantly states dragon authorities are stolen from celestia and given their parts to archons
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What you saying here indicates there are two hydro authorities which is not true. There's only one hydro authority and archons got these authorities from the sovereigns. That means prime dragon sovereigns with complete authority > archons who only have some part of authorities from the sovereigns.
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Furina is not saying that
What they are saying is about Authority itself (be it hydro, electro, pyro wtv) and not about hydro authority.
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Did you type that correctly? Why furina even matter in this conversation?
Authority means element authority. There's no difference in archons authority and sovereigns authority over elements. Focalors herself stated that she is doing all of this to return the authority of hydro archons to hydro dragon. She wouldn't say "return" unless that authority she holds as an archons comes from a hydro sovereign. God
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I meant @Furina003 not ingame furina
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Gods you guys are so confusing
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Before it was restored, Neuvilette had no authority at all, so he said he wouldn't be able to do much until the authority was restored by the archon.
Actually this is just a for Neuvilette who is able to escape from the fate system
he said part of power, not part of authority. as i explained previously
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You guys are getting confused over a rather simple thing. Heavenly Principles stole Dragon Sovereigns parts of power to give to archons as element authorities. That means that parts of power is also element authority. So you are comparing 1/4 with 1 and saying 1/4 is bigger
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