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Thunderbolts* Spoiler Discussion Thread
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Okay, I just love this bit from Sentry page on TV Tropes
"Story-Breaker Power: Simply put, none of the characters in the present MCU, heroic or villainous, stand a ghost chance of defeating Bob in a direct confrontation. A combined effort of six superhumans trying to fight him simultaneously is the live action equivalent of watching Freeza from Dragon Ball Z effortlessly slapping aside the heroes like they are not even there. And when Bob is finally bored with your futile efforts to pummel him into submission, he can simply will you into vaporizing into smoke in a instant with a wink and a smile. The only way to “defeat” him is to reason and empathize with his broken childhood through compassion & kindness; and that proves to be much more affective."
"Story-Breaker Power: Simply put, none of the characters in the present MCU, heroic or villainous, stand a ghost chance of defeating Bob in a direct confrontation. A combined effort of six superhumans trying to fight him simultaneously is the live action equivalent of watching Freeza from Dragon Ball Z effortlessly slapping aside the heroes like they are not even there. And when Bob is finally bored with your futile efforts to pummel him into submission, he can simply will you into vaporizing into smoke in a instant with a wink and a smile. The only way to “defeat” him is to reason and empathize with his broken childhood through compassion & kindness; and that proves to be much more affective."
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I'm not entirely sure whether or not our Temperature manip standards allow us to scale heat like that, but in my personal opinion, I think that makes sense.
At the very least, the description for his Heat Vision should be something along the lines of:
Temperature/Heat Manipulation ("Description of how the ability works. Whatever other feats it has, blah blah blah". Casually superheated Vibranium - a feat which took the combined efforts of Iron Man, Thor, and vision to replicate over a much longer period of time)
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Look better but i still need scene for his new abilities did you have it's?
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The resistance to electricity can be seen in the fight scene against the Thunderbolts, I don't have the one for the BFR stuff but I believe it can be found on YT
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That easily warrants a High 6-B rating for Sentry
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Bump
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Wonder what everyone thinks about that?
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I mean we could but why can’t we scale him off the carol + Thor + vision stuff
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Also, when he pulled the arm out, he casually ripped it off the connectors. That part of the arm wasn't being heated. Doesn't that count? "Ripped Bucky's arm off it's Vibranium connectors".
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Marvel studios official twitter uploaded a picture of void/sentry quoting stronger then all the avengers rolled into 1 so it’s not just a movie statement but now a WoG twitter statement this combined with the vision + Thor + captain marvel statement
It’s very clear he’s that strong
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Btw, I'm gonna ask this here instead of the general discussion bc spoilers, but knowing the current line-up, do you think "The New Avengers" (Minus Sentry) are taking on Avengers 1 Loki?
I mean, even Steve 1 on 1 was doing diddly squat to Loki who no-his strikes and routinely overpowered him.
I mean, even Steve 1 on 1 was doing diddly squat to Loki who no-his strikes and routinely overpowered him.
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Forcibly removing Bucky's arm is something that seems completely possible to do without actually damaging the vibranium, considering Bucky was able to simply put it back on without apparent issue. It's a feat that even Nebula was able to achieve offscreen.
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Only one there that can do anything is Ghost. The rest are all Super Soldier level or below and we know how Loki deals with them
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It’s reposted on their instagram to would this + the carol Thor vision stuff work to justify the tier ?
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Given the connection mechanism, it's likely Bucky's connectors were snapped.
It's likely Bucky's arm has some level of Nano repair built in.
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That feat would be LS anyway, I believe.
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Twitter too. Yes.
It’s reposted on their instagram to would this + the carol Thor vision stuff work to justify the tier ?
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That crater feat easily seemed 8-C. It's of the same size as the one made by Mjolnir in Thor
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Bro the Nebula thing is a joke that was never ever acknowledged again
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Btw, I think we can get a Speed feat from the Crater, given his weight didn't change. So the Crater is byproduct of his fall speed, which is far more than just TerVel.
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Also, in regards to the statement, is it really all that trustworthy? Even though the Marvel sites are quoting it, they are quoting Valentina's statement still, not making their own separate statements.
Logically, Valentina doesn't have knowledge of what the Avengers are Capable of During or Post-IW.
And the only they have on endgame is Ant-Man's recalling of the Battle of New York, which doesn't go in detail of the capabilities of the avengers.
So her saying and sites quoting her that Sentry is > all the Avengers is based on Limited Knowledge. Like, the footage and information from Civil War or History of the Hulk vs Abomination, etc.
I don't think we should take the statement as gospel for IW/EG showings.
Logically, Valentina doesn't have knowledge of what the Avengers are Capable of During or Post-IW.
And the only they have on endgame is Ant-Man's recalling of the Battle of New York, which doesn't go in detail of the capabilities of the avengers.
So her saying and sites quoting her that Sentry is > all the Avengers is based on Limited Knowledge. Like, the footage and information from Civil War or History of the Hulk vs Abomination, etc.
I don't think we should take the statement as gospel for IW/EG showings.
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The government literally has the details of the DNA of all Avengers. Secret Invasion is still canon
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People act like the entire endgame battle with all the top tier heroes didn’t take place on earth lol
Val word + WoG = sentry that strong
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Having the DNA =/= Knowing the capabilities of said person. That's a false equivalency.
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Except it's not a WOG statement. It's simply a Copy & Paste of Val's statement, meaning you have to look at what Val knows at the time of said statement. And the only detailed account of EG is from Antman, which doesn't go into the detail about the capabilities.
As far as Val knows, the only Data they have on Thor for example goes up only to AoU. Ragnarok took place in Space. Val has no Idea of what goes on in Wakanda (Even Fury only knew shit was falling over Wakanda based on the IW Cutscene). And again, Inverse, the ONLY account of EG in detail was Ant-Man's Podcasts and Book, none of which go in detail about the capabilities of the Avengers.
The only thing the Government would know is shit is going down at the Avengers base. Nothing More. So when Val says, "Stronger than all the Avengers", what does she know at that time? Because she damn sure doesn't know about Awakened Thor. Tony doesn't give the Government specs on his suits.... I'll wait.
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It’s really not Thor and his fight with the destroyer was enough for fury to determine that all military weapons were useless saying they outgun earth in every way possible that they started creating tesseract nukes just to combat Thor and they barely even did anything in that fight also dna is huge and they can tell a lot about the person from it in the marvel universe
It’s not a copy & paste Val statement is stronger then all the avengers rolled into 1 why the IG & twitter posts states more powerful then all the avengers rolled into 1 they changed it making it their own wording not the movies also that’s irrelevant it’s stated in the movies it’s stated in the trailer it’s stated by marvel he’s the combination of Thor carol and captain marvel basically the 3 strongest avengers and it’s reposted by the official marvel studios IG and twitter the fact they showed that quote at all means they agree with it and it’s now WoG
They have data on the entire endgame battlefield which leads into secret invasion lol they collected everything and their is no only account they have surveillance lol
Val + 2 WoG > your opinion
They would know an entire is battle is going on because they can see it lol their are literally documentaries about what happened in verse
Val + 2 WoG > your opinion
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You don't. By the time it's actually on the wiki it won't be a spoiler anyway
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Based on just the movie, I'd say the rating would be whatever we currently scaling Vibranium at, possibly 5-B for the Avengers statements. The statement is roughly as supported as the Namor statement and we treat that as a possibly rating. I wouldn't make him solidly Thor/Marvel level until he does something on-screen that scales to them.
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You're missing the entire point. It's irrelevant what they knew from those fights. You're attempting to scale A Character over the Max of another B character based on a statement from someone who doesn't know what full capabilities B Character is, which is just factual. And no, not once in the MCU has having DNA tells you what the full Capabilities of a character is. Even in SI, the only reason they are able to achieve comparable abilities is because of the Skrull ability when receiving that DNA. And you seem like you don't fundamentally understand how DNA works otherwise. It's not DNA is NOT a complete facsimile of an individual. Not even close.
Bro, stop with the Semantics. It's the same shit and IG and Twitter's statements are still "quoted" iirc, meaning no, it is not their own statements and are a reference to Val's statement.
Read above.
I don't recall any specific Avenger being pointed out in any of the marketing. The statement in the trailers and movie are the same statement.
That's not how that works. They are quoting Val's statement, not affirming it (And yes, you're playing Semantics over it). Meaning again, you have to look at what Val knows vs what she doesn't.
Not in detail. Rewatch SI again. They were the clean up crew. Gathering the DNA was a separate secret job they didn't know in detail. You should watch AM3 and Ms. Marvel again, the only "detailed" accounts of the Battle of New York was from Ant-Man's podcasts and his Book. Neither of which, again, comments on the "capabilities" of any one in particular.
They only have surveillance from before the building gets nuked and that's before any fighting starts. So, you're just blatantly wrong. The "only" thing they had otherwise is DNA samples and old footage. Again, rewatch AM3 & Ms. Marvel.
Sure, if you build the bases of your argument on a factless foundation.
Yes, though not in detail.
Yes, just we can see and hear a Military style battle taking place inside a building but not know in detail what's happening.
And what's stated in verse is the only detailed account of the Battle comes from Ant-Man, nothing more. And the book source we have doesn't go into detail. Again, rewatch AM3 & Ms. Marvel.
Read above
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I feel like Wanda would take the majority, though she's also had way more onscreen showings at this point.
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Why not just use the million exploding suns statement? That’s 1 MegaFoe or Solar System level and consistent with him being stronger than the Avengers
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how can 1 million exploding stars be solar system level? 1 star alone makes up most the mass of the solar system
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Because 4-B is a huge tier, the gap between baseline Solar System level and Multi Solar System is 686.97 billion times
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Yeah I went back and looked it’s impossible to actually hit void
So pretty much no hero relying on physical attacks can do anything
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