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The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

Hope that one day Ewing, as kabbalah enjoyer, will add sefirot paradox in Marvel so we can scale everybody to High 1-A+
 
Something of possible interest. 🙏

 
It is hard to gauge, given that most characters have very varying degrees of superhuman powers, but Shang-Chi is likely one of them. 🙏
 
Should we have a separate key for Classic (Modem 4) Iron Man? Since that armor always comes back in current comics, it's obvious that got some upgrades by Stark so it could keep up with Modern Marvel.

And we should really do some updates to Model 51.
 
Does Asgard have a god of the sun? Just read Avengers academy and they talk about Jara captain of the Valkyries and bringer of dawn, apparently she is the one who brings the sun on Asgard.
 
So, what do you all think about the current Storm comic book?

I understand and sympathise with Marvel Comics' overall intent to push forth characters of different ethnicities, cultures, genders, sexualities, and so onwards, considering that tribalist xenophobic supremacist bigotry is very bad, and the many enormous atrocities that males, particularly caucasian males, have performed throughout real world history, and I know for a fact that it is much less common with women who completely lack conscience, empathy, and compassion than with men, so as long as the kinder variety of women mostly take political charge of the real world, I think that there would likely be much less war, tyranny, and inequality within it. That said, just because the prevalence of truly evil women seems to be around 1/5th of that of truly evil men, we should still not ignore that they exist or give them free access to potentially extremely destructive power because of their genders either.

However, with that clarification of my personal viewpoints out of the way, in order to avoid misunderstandings, I think that the "I'm the bestest ever! Take that, and that, and that! Best, best, best, best, best, best, best!" narcissistic power creep is turning extremely ridiculous, forced, desperate, and downright delusional.

Storm has gone from being able to create local, at best country-spanning, storms, to first beating up X-Man when the latter could create entire continuums, as well as multiple elder gods or demon lord-level entities at the same time, to beating up multiple Dominions at the same time, each of whom are more powerful than the Beyonders, to now being prepared to singlehandedly beat up Oblivion, and now that isn't sufficient either. She is going to singlehandedly fight and beat up a previously unknown ancient original storm god who is somehow second in power only to The One Above All. So we are now going to likely soon have Storm run around with power on a similar scale to The One Above All, seemingly solely for ideological reasons, as Storm's story and characterisation does not seem to be good, interesting, coherent, or compelling, and regardless that power of this scale for regular superheroes breaks the Marvel Comics narrative as a whole.

Oh, and Spectrum went from explicitly having power comparable to that of a nuclear warhead to explicitly being of a comparative power scale to The Beyonder, Jean Grey is apparently more powerful than the multiversal incarnation of Eternity, and The Scarlet Witch eats elder gods for breakfast, can destroy or rewrite the entire Marvel multiverse, and fight evenly with the Griever at the End of All Things, and Moon Girl suddenly appeared out of nowhere as "the smartest one there is", and keeps screaming that out loud to remind the audience over and over and over, despite that she is still a young child, so in sum total it is very hard to avoid seeing an overly desperately forced and likely storybreaking pattern here.

That said, as counterpoints, the Marvel Comics narrative was already a nearly completely incoherent, illogical, and mostly amoral mess, without almost any story beginnings, ends, or artistic visions, just intermingling mind-numbing hollow dadaistic chaos, which makes it virtually inaccessible to new readers, and which is solely focused on addictive and distractive quantity over quality content, rather than enjoyment and artistic vision, and with endless pointless extreme power fantasy ultraviolence for no purpose of positive change to the world, in a completely metaphysically and conceptually dystopian setting where the forces of absolute evil, nihilism, and cosmic horror had been built up to such a massively oppressive scale that the forces of good used to be completely outmatched, and where the unintended but nevertheless most prevalent moral message has been that supervillains will never receive proportionate karmic punishments no matter how extreme atrocities they commit, since they have to be endlessly recycled over and over and over, whereas an easy road to hell, or rather eternal torture, violation, and degradation, which is completely disproportionate retribution, awaits most of the regular people.

As such, making some of the superheroes completely overpowered at least tilts the scales more in favour of the forces of good, but the narrative of the verse itself seems to be so completely fundamentally flawed and broken at this point that it is irrepairable no matter what is done to it, despite containing many genuinely kind, brave, sympathetic, interesting, likeable, and inspiring characters, but they would all work better placed in a much less extremely hopeless, oppressive, amoral, and chaotic setting.

However, massive respect to Al Ewing for genuinely making an extreme effort to attempt to repair the amoral, tyrannical, and nihilistic cosmic horror metaphysics of the setting as a whole as well as he could, but other writers, including Jonathan Hickman, are already doing their worst to ignore, undo, and overwrite all of it with destructive, pointless, and boring chaos and nihilism. 🙏
 
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Antvasima said:
So, what do you all think about the current Storm comic book?

I understand and sympathise with Marvel Comics' overall intent to push forth characters of different ethnicities, cultures, genders, sexualities, and so onwards, considering that tribalist xenophobic supremacist bigotry is very bad, the many atrocities that males, particularly caucasian males, have performed throughout history, and know for a fact that it is much less common with women who completely lack conscience, empathy, and compassion than with men, so as long as the kinder variety of women mostly took political charge of the real world, I think that there would likely be much less war, tyranny, and inequality within it. That said, just because the prevalence of truly evil women seems to be around 1/5th of that of truly evil men, we should still not ignore that they exist of give them free access to power because of their genders either.

However, with that clarification of my personal viewpoints out of the way, in order to avoid misunderstandings, I think that the "I'm the bestest ever! Take that, and that, and that! Best, best, best, best, best, best, best!" narcissistic power creep is turning extremely ridiculous, forced, desperate, and downright delusional.

Storm has went from being able to create local, at best country-spanning, storms, to first beating up X-Man when the latter could create entire continuities, as well as multiple elder gods or demon lord-level entities at the same time, to beating up multiple Dominions at the same time, each of whom are more powerful than the Beyonders, to now being prepared to singlehandedly beat up Oblivion, and now that isn't sufficient either. She is going to singlehandedly fight and beat up a previously unknown ancient original storm god who is somehow second in power only to The One Above All. So we are now going to likely soon have Storm run around with power on a similar scale to The One Above All, seemingly solely for ideological reasons, as Storm's story and characterisation does not seem to be good, interesting, coherent, or compelling, and regardless that power of this scale for regular superheroes breaks the Marvel Comics narrative as a whole.

Oh, and Spectrum went from explicitly having power comparable to that of a nuclear warhead to explicitly being of a comparative power scale to The Beyonder, Jean Grey is apparently more powerful than the multiversal incarnation of Eternity, and The Scarlet Witch eats elder gods for breakfast, can destroy or rewrite the entire Marvel multiverse, and fight evenly with the Griever at the End of All Things, and Moon Girl suddenly appeared out of nowhere as "the smartest one there is", and keeps screaming that out loud to remind the audience over and over and over, despite that she is still a young child, so in sum total it is very hard to avoid seeing an overly desperately forced and likely storybreaking pattern here.

That said, as counterpoints, the Marvel Comics narrative was already a nearly completely incoherent, illogical, and mostly amoral mess, without any story beginnings, ends, or artistic visions, just intermingling mind-numbing dadaistic chaos, which makes it virtually inaccessibly to new readers, and which is solely focused on addictive and distractive quantity over quality content rather than enjoyment and artistic vision, and with endless pointless extreme power fantasy ultraviolence for no purpose of positive change to the world, in a completely metaphysically and conceptually dystopian setting where the forces of absolute evil, nihilism, and cosmic horror had been built up to such a massively oppressive scale that the forces of good used to be completely outmatched, and where the unintended but nevertheless most prevalent moral message has been that supervillains will never receive proportionate karmic punishments no matter how extreme atrocities they commit, since they have to be endlessly recycled over and over and over, whereas an easy road to hell, or rather eternal torture, violation, and degradation, which is completely disproportionate retribution, awaits most of the regular people.

As such, making some of the superheroes completely overpowered at least tilts the scales more in favour of the forces of good, but the narrative of the verse itself seems to be so completely fundamentally flawed and broken at this point that it is irrepairable no matter what is done to it, despite containing many genuinely kind, brave, sympathetic, interesting, likeable, and inspiring characters, but they would all work better placed in a much less extremely hopeless, oppressive, amoral, and chaotic setting.

However, massive respect to Al Ewing for genuinely making an extreme effort to attempt to repair the amoral, tyrannical, and nihilistic cosmic horror metaphysics of the setting as a whole as well as he could, but other writers, including Jonathan Hickman, are already doing their worst to ignore, undo, and overwrite all of it with destructive chaos and nihilism. 🙏
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Yeesh, and I thought the implications of the recent Venom issue would be the main point of contention this week. Then again, I've been through this song and dance before, so maybe I'm just used to it...
 
Antvasima said:
So, what do you all think about the current Storm comic book?

I understand and sympathise with Marvel Comics' overall intent to push forth characters of different ethnicities, cultures, genders, sexualities, and so onwards, considering that tribalist xenophobic supremacist bigotry is very bad, the many atrocities that males, particularly caucasian males, have performed throughout history, and know for a fact that it is much less common with women who completely lack conscience, empathy, and compassion than with men, so as long as the kinder variety of women mostly took political charge of the real world, I think that there would likely be much less war, tyranny, and inequality within it. That said, just because the prevalence of truly evil women seems to be around 1/5th of that of truly evil men, we should still not ignore that they exist of give them free access to power because of their genders either.

However, with that clarification of my personal viewpoints out of the way, in order to avoid misunderstandings, I think that the "I'm the bestest ever! Take that, and that, and that! Best, best, best, best, best, best, best!" narcissistic power creep is turning extremely ridiculous, forced, desperate, and downright delusional.

Storm has went from being able to create local, at best country-spanning, storms, to first beating up X-Man when the latter could create entire continuities, as well as multiple elder gods or demon lord-level entities at the same time, to beating up multiple Dominions at the same time, each of whom are more powerful than the Beyonders, to now being prepared to singlehandedly beat up Oblivion, and now that isn't sufficient either. She is going to singlehandedly fight and beat up a previously unknown ancient original storm god who is somehow second in power only to The One Above All. So we are now going to likely soon have Storm run around with power on a similar scale to The One Above All, seemingly solely for ideological reasons, as Storm's story and characterisation does not seem to be good, interesting, coherent, or compelling, and regardless that power of this scale for regular superheroes breaks the Marvel Comics narrative as a whole.

Oh, and Spectrum went from explicitly having power comparable to that of a nuclear warhead to explicitly being of a comparative power scale to The Beyonder, Jean Grey is apparently more powerful than the multiversal incarnation of Eternity, and The Scarlet Witch eats elder gods for breakfast, can destroy or rewrite the entire Marvel multiverse, and fight evenly with the Griever at the End of All Things, and Moon Girl suddenly appeared out of nowhere as "the smartest one there is", and keeps screaming that out loud to remind the audience over and over and over, despite that she is still a young child, so in sum total it is very hard to avoid seeing an overly desperately forced and likely storybreaking pattern here.

That said, as counterpoints, the Marvel Comics narrative was already a nearly completely incoherent, illogical, and mostly amoral mess, without any story beginnings, ends, or artistic visions, just intermingling mind-numbing dadaistic chaos, which makes it virtually inaccessibly to new readers, and which is solely focused on addictive and distractive quantity over quality content rather than enjoyment and artistic vision, and with endless pointless extreme power fantasy ultraviolence for no purpose of positive change to the world, in a completely metaphysically and conceptually dystopian setting where the forces of absolute evil, nihilism, and cosmic horror had been built up to such a massively oppressive scale that the forces of good used to be completely outmatched, and where the unintended but nevertheless most prevalent moral message has been that supervillains will never receive proportionate karmic punishments no matter how extreme atrocities they commit, since they have to be endlessly recycled over and over and over, whereas an easy road to hell, or rather eternal torture, violation, and degradation, which is completely disproportionate retribution, awaits most of the regular people.

As such, making some of the superheroes completely overpowered at least tilts the scales more in favour of the forces of good, but the narrative of the verse itself seems to be so completely fundamentally flawed and broken at this point that it is irrepairable no matter what is done to it, despite containing many genuinely kind, brave, sympathetic, interesting, likeable, and inspiring characters, but they would all work better placed in a much less extremely hopeless, oppressive, amoral, and chaotic setting.

However, massive respect to Al Ewing for genuinely making an extreme effort to attempt to repair the amoral, tyrannical, and nihilistic cosmic horror metaphysics of the setting as a whole as well as he could, but other writers, including Jonathan Hickman, are already doing their worst to ignore, undo, and overwrite all of it. 🙏
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I don't know much but a lot of characters became overpowered, Hulk and One bellow all, Thor and his god status with elder god stuff and phoenix foce power. I think Marvel is just making everyone much more powerful for stakes thinking that making them "gods" will sell better.

I do think that a lot of old villains are becoming good, Kree and skrull won't be villains again for a long time, now the west coast avengers is all about villains going good, even Spider-Man villains are going good or at least "half good". It seems that the writers don't know how to write a good villain without making them good people.
 
Jimmy.robinson.5099 said:
Yeesh, and I thought the implications of the recent Venom issue would be the main point of contention this week. Then again, I've been through this song and dance before, so maybe I'm just used to it...
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Well, I have conceptually processed the sum totality of Marvel Comics for a very long time. My apologies. 🙏
 
It does not seem that way at least. 🙏
 
Honestly, when I saw Storm becoming a herald of Eternity or something, I was so lost, I was laughing and laughing. They had to invent another, even better role for her apparently? Even before I would be hard-pressed to remember her losing ever, after that I couldn't be bothered to read it. I am just waiting for the wave to pass and everything going back to status quo, while I am playing Rivals.

Speaking of good metaphysics being undone, are we ever going to write down the cosmology of 8th Cosmos? With everything being in pairs, G.O.D.S., Oblivion vs Tribunal, etc?
 
MrKerf said:
Speaking of good metaphysics being undone, are we ever going to write down the cosmology of 8th Cosmos? With everything being in pairs, G.O.D.S., Oblivion vs Tribunal, etc?
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I do not know. It seems like a very half-baked idea that has not been elaborated upon, due to that Hickman's G.O.D.S. series was cancelled quickly due to low readership, given how mindnumbingly boring and ill-conceived it was. 🙏
 
Antvasima said:
I do not know. It seems like a very half-baked idea that has not been elaborated upon, due to that Hickman's G.O.D.S. series was cancelled quickly due to low readership, given how mindnumbingly boring and ill-conceived it was. 🙏
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Huh, didn't know that. Still, same ideas seem to be included as late as in Phoenix I think. So it's not like it's exclusive to one comic line. But very well.
 
Okay. Well, if somebody can write a well-considered coherent structure for how it works and how to apply revisions for this new cosmology, incliding all of the characters that would be affected, I am not opposed to a new content revision thread for it. 🙏
 
Suigetsuhyugs said:
I don't know much but a lot of characters became overpowered, Hulk and One bellow all, Thor and his god status with elder god stuff and phoenix foce power. I think Marvel is just making everyone much more powerful for stakes thinking that making them "gods" will sell better.

I do think that a lot of old villains are becoming good, Kree and skrull won't be villains again for a long time, now the west coast avengers is all about villains going good, even Spider-Man villains are going good or at least "half good". It seems that the writers don't know how to write a good villain without making them good people.
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I DO remember seeing one writer (wanna say G. Willow Wilson, but I could be wrong) mention that people tend to root for the villains because they're victims of circumstance brought about by a broken system while the heroes strive to defend that system. Wonder if that has something to do with it...
 
Jimmy.robinson.5099 said:
I DO remember seeing one writer (wanna say G. Willow Wilson, but I could be wrong) mention that people tend to root for the villains because they're victims of circumstance brought about by a broken system while the heroes strive to defend that system. Wonder if that has something to do with it...
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Sure and if it was like that it wouldn't be such a problem but isn't just about them being good people but actually changing sides, villains who go onto becoming heroes.
 
I just came to think of that even Chris Claremont used to consider it completely unrealistic for Storm to be able to fight against Thor in his (admittedly awfully and illogically written) "Contest of Champions" series, although he inaccurately portrayed Thor as an arrogant chauvinistic jerk who sexually harrassed Storm in the process (kissed her without consent). Maybe that is a part of the reason why some Marvel writers are taking out their frustrations on Thor so much, since they cannot attack the writer who made Storm popular in the first place? 🙏

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Never mind. I am probably getting too paranoid. It is unlikely that they have even heard of this old comicbook. 🙏
 
Antvasima said:
So, what do you all think about the current Storm comic book?

I understand and sympathise with Marvel Comics' overall intent to push forth characters of different ethnicities, cultures, genders, sexualities, and so onwards, considering that tribalist xenophobic supremacist bigotry is very bad, and the many enormous atrocities that males, particularly caucasian males, have performed throughout real world history, and I know for a fact that it is much less common with women who completely lack conscience, empathy, and compassion than with men, so as long as the kinder variety of women mostly take political charge of the real world, I think that there would likely be much less war, tyranny, and inequality within it. That said, just because the prevalence of truly evil women seems to be around 1/5th of that of truly evil men, we should still not ignore that they exist or give them free access to potentially extremely destructive power because of their genders either.

However, with that clarification of my personal viewpoints out of the way, in order to avoid misunderstandings, I think that the "I'm the bestest ever! Take that, and that, and that! Best, best, best, best, best, best, best!" narcissistic power creep is turning extremely ridiculous, forced, desperate, and downright delusional.

Storm has gone from being able to create local, at best country-spanning, storms, to first beating up X-Man when the latter could create entire continuities, as well as multiple elder gods or demon lord-level entities at the same time, to beating up multiple Dominions at the same time, each of whom are more powerful than the Beyonders, to now being prepared to singlehandedly beat up Oblivion, and now that isn't sufficient either. She is going to singlehandedly fight and beat up a previously unknown ancient original storm god who is somehow second in power only to The One Above All. So we are now going to likely soon have Storm run around with power on a similar scale to The One Above All, seemingly solely for ideological reasons, as Storm's story and characterisation does not seem to be good, interesting, coherent, or compelling, and regardless that power of this scale for regular superheroes breaks the Marvel Comics narrative as a whole.

Oh, and Spectrum went from explicitly having power comparable to that of a nuclear warhead to explicitly being of a comparative power scale to The Beyonder, Jean Grey is apparently more powerful than the multiversal incarnation of Eternity, and The Scarlet Witch eats elder gods for breakfast, can destroy or rewrite the entire Marvel multiverse, and fight evenly with the Griever at the End of All Things, and Moon Girl suddenly appeared out of nowhere as "the smartest one there is", and keeps screaming that out loud to remind the audience over and over and over, despite that she is still a young child, so in sum total it is very hard to avoid seeing an overly desperately forced and likely storybreaking pattern here.

That said, as counterpoints, the Marvel Comics narrative was already a nearly completely incoherent, illogical, and mostly amoral mess, without almost any story beginnings, ends, or artistic visions, just intermingling mind-numbing hollow dadaistic chaos, which makes it virtually inaccessibly to new readers, and which is solely focused on addictive and distractive quantity over quality content, rather than enjoyment and artistic vision, and with endless pointless extreme power fantasy ultraviolence for no purpose of positive change to the world, in a completely metaphysically and conceptually dystopian setting where the forces of absolute evil, nihilism, and cosmic horror had been built up to such a massively oppressive scale that the forces of good used to be completely outmatched, and where the unintended but nevertheless most prevalent moral message has been that supervillains will never receive proportionate karmic punishments no matter how extreme atrocities they commit, since they have to be endlessly recycled over and over and over, whereas an easy road to hell, or rather eternal torture, violation, and degradation, which is completely disproportionate retribution, awaits most of the regular people.

As such, making some of the superheroes completely overpowered at least tilts the scales more in favour of the forces of good, but the narrative of the verse itself seems to be so completely fundamentally flawed and broken at this point that it is irrepairable no matter what is done to it, despite containing many genuinely kind, brave, sympathetic, interesting, likeable, and inspiring characters, but they would all work better placed in a much less extremely hopeless, oppressive, amoral, and chaotic setting.

However, massive respect to Al Ewing for genuinely making an extreme effort to attempt to repair the amoral, tyrannical, and nihilistic cosmic horror metaphysics of the setting as a whole as well as he could, but other writers, including Jonathan Hickman, are already doing their worst to ignore, undo, and overwrite all of it with destructive, pointless, and boring chaos and nihilism. 🙏
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Honestly, the character whose author-wank annoys me the most is Carnage by far.
 
MrKerf said:
Why Carnage of all people, out of sheer interest?
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The relentless power creep. I feel like every appearance he's had over the past decade is some rehash of "Carnage is somehow still alive, but stronger!"

First he was amplified by the Darkhold before "kind of but not really" dying in space.

Then he joined a Knull cult and killed a bunch of people to become Dark Carnage, then started absorbing Hulk and fractions of The One Below All's power before "kind of but not really" getting killed by Venom.

Then he came back immediately and got killed (but not really) by God of Light Venom.

Then he came back again and went around invading some Norse dimensions with ease before crafting his own necrosword called All-Blood, then went around the multiverse killing different Venoms until he was strong enough to kill and absorb a variant of Knull and become a God.

Then recently I believe, it was revealed that just as Eddie has a Beyonder-level counterpart from the future called the Eventuality, Carnage has his own Beyonder-level counterpart from the future called the "King in Crimson" who's fighting some kind of war with Eventuality???

He's not even interesting as a pure evil villain anymore. At first they tried expanding on his abusive childhood, that's in order to give him a subtle characterization of expressing his desperate need for a sense of family in sick and twisted ways. That sort of explained why in his early appearances, he met Shriek (another victim of child abuse who was obsessed with the concept of motherhood due to having a toxic mother) and took her as his girlfriend, then started a family of murderous supervillains with her where Carnage and Shriek were the "parents." However, I distinctly remember reading a recent comic where Carnage has this whole monologue about how his bad childhood had absolutely nothing to do with his psychopathic tendencies and he's pure evil simply because it's fun. I'm not one of those people who wants all villains to be sympathetic per se, but without this part of his personality, I don't see what makes him more than a one-dimensional gore/blood-loving villain with the kind of edginess I could only appreciate if I were a 12 year old who says **** in every other sentence. I wouldn't consider myself a Carnage expert, but that's my honest impression of him.
 
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Antvasima said:
So, what do you all think about the current Storm comic book?

I understand and sympathise with Marvel Comics' overall intent to push forth characters of different ethnicities, cultures, genders, sexualities, and so onwards, considering that tribalist xenophobic supremacist bigotry is very bad, and the many enormous atrocities that males, particularly caucasian males, have performed throughout real world history, and I know for a fact that it is much less common with women who completely lack conscience, empathy, and compassion than with men, so as long as the kinder variety of women mostly take political charge of the real world, I think that there would likely be much less war, tyranny, and inequality within it. That said, just because the prevalence of truly evil women seems to be around 1/5th of that of truly evil men, we should still not ignore that they exist or give them free access to potentially extremely destructive power because of their genders either.

However, with that clarification of my personal viewpoints out of the way, in order to avoid misunderstandings, I think that the "I'm the bestest ever! Take that, and that, and that! Best, best, best, best, best, best, best!" narcissistic power creep is turning extremely ridiculous, forced, desperate, and downright delusional.

Storm has gone from being able to create local, at best country-spanning, storms, to first beating up X-Man when the latter could create entire continuums, as well as multiple elder gods or demon lord-level entities at the same time, to beating up multiple Dominions at the same time, each of whom are more powerful than the Beyonders, to now being prepared to singlehandedly beat up Oblivion, and now that isn't sufficient either. She is going to singlehandedly fight and beat up a previously unknown ancient original storm god who is somehow second in power only to The One Above All. So we are now going to likely soon have Storm run around with power on a similar scale to The One Above All, seemingly solely for ideological reasons, as Storm's story and characterisation does not seem to be good, interesting, coherent, or compelling, and regardless that power of this scale for regular superheroes breaks the Marvel Comics narrative as a whole.

Oh, and Spectrum went from explicitly having power comparable to that of a nuclear warhead to explicitly being of a comparative power scale to The Beyonder, Jean Grey is apparently more powerful than the multiversal incarnation of Eternity, and The Scarlet Witch eats elder gods for breakfast, can destroy or rewrite the entire Marvel multiverse, and fight evenly with the Griever at the End of All Things, and Moon Girl suddenly appeared out of nowhere as "the smartest one there is", and keeps screaming that out loud to remind the audience over and over and over, despite that she is still a young child, so in sum total it is very hard to avoid seeing an overly desperately forced and likely storybreaking pattern here.

That said, as counterpoints, the Marvel Comics narrative was already a nearly completely incoherent, illogical, and mostly amoral mess, without almost any story beginnings, ends, or artistic visions, just intermingling mind-numbing hollow dadaistic chaos, which makes it virtually inaccessible to new readers, and which is solely focused on addictive and distractive quantity over quality content, rather than enjoyment and artistic vision, and with endless pointless extreme power fantasy ultraviolence for no purpose of positive change to the world, in a completely metaphysically and conceptually dystopian setting where the forces of absolute evil, nihilism, and cosmic horror had been built up to such a massively oppressive scale that the forces of good used to be completely outmatched, and where the unintended but nevertheless most prevalent moral message has been that supervillains will never receive proportionate karmic punishments no matter how extreme atrocities they commit, since they have to be endlessly recycled over and over and over, whereas an easy road to hell, or rather eternal torture, violation, and degradation, which is completely disproportionate retribution, awaits most of the regular people.

As such, making some of the superheroes completely overpowered at least tilts the scales more in favour of the forces of good, but the narrative of the verse itself seems to be so completely fundamentally flawed and broken at this point that it is irrepairable no matter what is done to it, despite containing many genuinely kind, brave, sympathetic, interesting, likeable, and inspiring characters, but they would all work better placed in a much less extremely hopeless, oppressive, amoral, and chaotic setting.

However, massive respect to Al Ewing for genuinely making an extreme effort to attempt to repair the amoral, tyrannical, and nihilistic cosmic horror metaphysics of the setting as a whole as well as he could, but other writers, including Jonathan Hickman, are already doing their worst to ignore, undo, and overwrite all of it with destructive, pointless, and boring chaos and nihilism. 🙏
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I have not fully read any Marvel comics to be qualified to respond to this properly, but I see where you're coming from. Lately all I've been seeing and hearing from friends is that Marvel is just pushing forward on the cosmic/meta stuff recently, although this has been happening for years now.

What sorta gives me a headache about Marvel is that they have no actual "retcon" device to start things over like DC does. Everything is just connected and everything continues to happen. Sometimes there are contradictions and sometimes there are things that fit a lot of things together. Not all of it is bad, but it's overwhelming and they're definitely not stopping anytime soon. And if Goofy's CRTs told me anything, there is a LOT of subtext, context, allusions and lore to keep track of simultaneously every issue that is released. Hard to keep up and even harder to interpret, if you ask me.
 
ProfectusInfinity said:
The relentless power creep. I feel like every appearance he's had over the past decade is some rehash of "Carnage is somehow still alive, but stronger!"

First he was amplified by the Darkhold before "kind of but not really" dying in space.

Then he joined a Knull cult and killed a bunch of people to become Dark Carnage, then started absorbing Hulk and fractions of The One Below All's power before "kind of but not really" getting killed by Venom.

Then he came back immediately and got killed (but not really) by God of Light Venom.

Then he came back again and went around invading some Norse dimensions with ease before crafting his own necrosword called All-Blood, then went around the multiverse killing different Venoms until he was strong enough to kill and absorb a variant of Knull and become a God.

Then recently I believe, it was revealed that just as Eddie has a Beyonder-level counterpart from the future called the Eventuality, Carnage has his own Beyonder-level counterpart from the future called the "King in Crimson" who's fighting some kind of war with Eventuality???

He's not even interesting as a pure evil villain anymore. At first they tried expanding on his abusive childhood, that's in order to give him a subtle characterization of expressing his desperate need for a sense of family in sick and twisted ways. That sort of explained why in his early appearances, he met Shriek (another victim of child abuse who was obsessed with the concept of motherhood due to having a toxic mother) and took her as his girlfriend, then started a family of murderous supervillains with her where Carnage and Shriek were the "parents." However, I distinctly remeber reading a recent comic where Carnage has this whole monologue about how his bad childhood had absolutely nothing to do with his psychopathic tendencies and he's pure evil simply because it's fun. I'm not one of those people who wants all villains to be sympathetic per se, but without this part of his personality, I don't see what makes him more than a one-dimensional gore/blood-loving villain with the kind of edginess I could only appreciate if I were a 12 year old who says **** in every other sentence. I wouldn't consider myself a Carnage expert, but that's my honest impression of him.
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and on this wiki he is Maki Zenin food.
so crazy.
 
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