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Right I forgot. I assume that the shenanigans are passive?
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Top 15 Strongest Characters for Every Tier
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Kinda, moreso that Dracula can't actually really do anything to him given Immeasurable speed, both activated and innate, and immo (which is based in a tier 1 timeline mind you) do just stop him from really doing anything relevant before Xuan Fang just pulls out the 1-A Time Hax
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I assume the immo is smurf? Otherwise, wouldn't Dracula win with his plot hax if speed equal? Since iirc, the plot hax is passive, so wouldn't the thought-based immeasurable speed amp not really work if they are in speed equal?
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Made an edit lol
Oliver_de_jesus
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yes, they are like Fear hax which target the mind and soul
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3D stuff they have like 20+ layers of hax, though concept stuff is like 10+ layers
Skabrand does not have major hax and can beat beaten by just sheer ap.
DMC have 4D hax. Apparently 4D mind/soul stuff
Rikimarox2
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WW has 100+ layers at this level, so I think he should comfortably win this (unless they have some passive plot hax or smth)?
Oh that's cool then, WW has a 4-B attack, with huge range.
Apparently fear hax too. If you know, Is the fear hax passive, can it affect type 3 concept, and does it have the range to reach WW's Sea of Consciousness (dimension)?
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probably not dmc lost the concept stuff.
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How high into High 1-A is Gu chensha again? Meta-Meta?
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Surprised to see PGR on here, they are indeed smurfs. Not sure where that'd rank them, but do with that info as you will
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It depends, how smurfy are they in their 2-A keys? They've been ranked in 10th in 2-A.
AlipheeseXIV
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Oh top 10 is impressive, didn't know these are meant to pit them against other series/characters. What exactly is the criteria for a character being above another? Lee is a L1C-1C smurf, the Tower is a 1C smurf
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Just curious but the Saint Seiya characters in 2-A have smurf 5D minds and Souls. Does that change any placements?
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Some of them additionally have a "possibly low 1-C (5D)" rating andiirc it's infinitely high into 5D, are they allowed into the low 1-C tier as well?
Edit: even of they lose their body they can still be active fighters as long as 1 of these aspects exist soul or mind. Destruction of 2 of the 3 doesn't make them "dead." All 3 need to go.
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Some of them additionally have a "possibly low 1-C (5D)" rating and
Edit: even of they lose their body they can still be active fighters as long as 1 of these aspects exist soul or mind. Destruction of 2 of the 3 doesn't make them "dead." All 3 need to go.
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It's baseline
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Ah thought it was infinite my fault sorry about that
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Basically you just need to provide solid reasoning as to why characters (in this case PGR) can beat people ranked above them. Whether that just be stating why they can in this thread, or making a versus thread.
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Ah, I see well alright. I mean, I believe they should be above at least Anos & Veldanava cuz they have ND2. Why is FF ranked as high as it is again?
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Some FF characters have NEP2, ND2, quite a few passives and many characters have thought based shinnegans. Some even have Plot based stuff, along with resistance to many haxes.
Topped off with above standard 2-A range
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Damn that's crazy, yeah I think they can hang right under them at least. I'm fine with their current spot tho I don't mind them being below Anos & Veldanava too much just satisfied with them being on the list
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I should specify it doesn't apply to every individual game in the series, just like the MOST haxxy characters of the franchise.
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Shinpei should be removed from 10-A as he's now 10-B.
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The Watchers should be tied with Magi characters in the 2nd spot of 1-B, since they are both Ad Infinitum-D.
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Alright so, I'm thinking of making a Wang Wei vs Dante match in 4-C. I do know that Dante has 4-D soul hax, iirc, but is that potency or just range? Not to mention, I've heard somewhere that metaphysical shenanigans aren't really smurf unless they like, affect 1-A beings or something. Not sure if that's true though.
Regardless, Wang Wei's soul and mind are Type 3 concept, so idek if Dante could affect him.
Regardless, Wang Wei's soul and mind are Type 3 concept, so idek if Dante could affect him.
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Souls in DMC are Type 2 concepts so that wouldn't be an issue
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stop using this thread to promote your matches.
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Alrighty so, Wang Wei now has 4-D Potency (likely rating, not concrete) from Suprenatural Realm and above, with quite a bit of layers (10~ish, just need to update the blog to showcase it), with whole Soul (Type 3)/Mind/Body/etc... passive aura, and being resistant to Type 2 Concept/Info to hell and back.
Does dante have anything else other than 4-D Soul shenanigans aura (which should be resisted), and can he defend against the passives, or type 1 fate stuff that is above history and can affect type 4 peeps, or type 2 concept/info destruction, etc...?
As for 3-C, I really don't see what Cai or Gatchen can do to Wang Wei? The latter doesn't really have anything that is threatening to Wang Wei that he doesn't resist, while the latter would be destroyed to hell and back before they can even do anything due to Wang Wei's much faster reaction speed.
Similar case for 3-A, what can D do against Wang Wei, as the latter resists concept/info stuff to hell and back, and has ND3 and NEP2, and can interact with those, so like. Idk about Ji Ning honestly since it has been forever since I read it, but did he get Higher-D stuff accepted, and if so, what D?
Does dante have anything else other than 4-D Soul shenanigans aura (which should be resisted), and can he defend against the passives, or type 1 fate stuff that is above history and can affect type 4 peeps, or type 2 concept/info destruction, etc...?
As for 3-C, I really don't see what Cai or Gatchen can do to Wang Wei? The latter doesn't really have anything that is threatening to Wang Wei that he doesn't resist, while the latter would be destroyed to hell and back before they can even do anything due to Wang Wei's much faster reaction speed.
Similar case for 3-A, what can D do against Wang Wei, as the latter resists concept/info stuff to hell and back, and has ND3 and NEP2, and can interact with those, so like. Idk about Ji Ning honestly since it has been forever since I read it, but did he get Higher-D stuff accepted, and if so, what D?
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Cui actually just is and can "summon" his last key in each and every one of his keys, so it's a 3-C v Immeasurable and Omnipresent 2-A
Rikimarox2
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Just saw the explanation. Damn, idk how Gatchen is then if they are above that.
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5D smurf
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DKD characters for High 1-A (Akuto and The Law of Identity)
Rikimarox2
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Welp, I'll wait for 3-A stuff then. IIRC Vampire D doesn't have a lot of 5-D stuff, and majority is apparently 4-D. Tho I'm not sure if that applies to 3-A key.
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for one second i thought read DXD
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D actually shouldn't be in 3-A, he got upgraded (or more accurately, keys switched around), and now he only has 3-C, High 3-A, and Low 2-C ends
Anyway, for Ning, he's a 6D smurf in everything in this key with hax on that level, and will just delete WW
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Rikimarox2
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Yeah, pretty much anything that isn't 1-A abstract hax is kinda just... range? Aside from the physical stuff. In other words, soul/mind/concept stuff are just not smurf, unless they are 1-A.
So, in terms of anything that isn't 1-A, Castlevania is kinda nuts due to layers, Destiny too, Blazblue as well via infinite layers, and probably some other Xianxia that has quintillion layers or some shit.
So, in terms of anything that isn't 1-A, Castlevania is kinda nuts due to layers, Destiny too, Blazblue as well via infinite layers, and probably some other Xianxia that has quintillion layers or some shit.
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this list gonna be strongest Chinamen list all over again
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Meh, is not like gonna affect my favorites character (basically actual Tier 1 with avatars/Maniphestations capable to channeling Higher/qualitative energy)
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