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No, that was before Qaws posted anyway. To say Tracer’s vote remains the same is dishonest.
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TYBW Anime Cour 3 [Oshō Edition]
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I guess 2-C Bleach is over
We got uno reversed
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Isn't it significant that his ability is shown to have affected the past? When Ichigo couldn't hear Zangetsu's real name, it demonstrated that his ability functions across timelines. This means that everything he does in the present, along with his ability, will impact time. If he performs an action that influences all of existence, the effects will be felt throughout time. Isn't that important enough?
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That's merely a range part, you need to affect across all points across universe, that's 4D range for his Hax sure, but not 4D AP. You need to affect the totality of such structure in order to boast a tier 2.
He doesn't destroy/warp the entire timeline, but only localized phenomena.
Such as 4D range (can reach any "black" across time)
But not 4D AP (no significant affection of the whole timeline)
A 4D Space-time continuum is uncountably infinite set of points (every moment is a 3D slice)
affecting A finite points is still infinitesimal compare to the whole.
For 2-C AP, you need to affect an uncountable infinite portion (a.i.e the totality of the structure)
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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the cosmology altogether currently accepted 3A possibly Low-2C?
Arc would either have to add a cosmology upgrade to the proposals or just go with 3A/L2C range instead of low multi range it looks like
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No the cosmology is accepted as 2-C per the Squad 0 thread.
Reio’s rating is heavily outdated. I’ve yet to revise him tho
Edit; for those curious, a cosmology blog will come out regardless after cour 4
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I was explaining how Low 2-C works. From my knowledge talking to Imade and reading the series it's 4-5 Low 2-C spaces afaik, though most people would only scale to 3-4 of them.
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I believe he is talking about all together not individually
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Alright, I'm all caught up with the thread. 2-C range for Ichibe is good to go in my book. I've already given my approval for the key merge/nuke situation, so that's fuego as well. 
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Yall didn’t have The Miracle with you
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You got some things wring. Notably the finite points ichibei affected are 4D across infinite space. That's still infinitely above any 3D scale. I already adressed the issue about infinity, infinitesimal however you are trying to explain it. I am not gonna going over this again.
How does it fall under the idea of "localized"?
And when he is stealing it from timeline, how is it just range not significantly affecting the timeline!!
When he is stealing across timelines!!!
It most definitely falls under 2C Ap. You can at most argue his durability part not AP.
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yeah no, this thread's OP did not propose cosmology upgrade to 2C even once, only the last bit says it "could be Low2C" with this idea without elaborating on how the realms would qualify as such (most staff rejected the tier 2 proposals it's pretty dishonest to say "yeah 2C bleach verse is accepted" when it's not, especially with an upgrade of that magnitude)
I'm not saying they're not tier 2, I'm saying it is not accepted in the wiki as of now so someone would have to propose that to support anything 2C related
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Even if it affects the timeline of SS, it still wouldn't affect the other universes which if it did would be 2C but the feat affects one. So that is like 3A or high 3A idk.
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In that specific case it would be low 2C feat. Not that he is capable of just that. It can be interpreted as he didn’t think or needed to summon more blackness, like summoning from other timelines or summoning from thousand years or more number of nights etc etc. Since he has shown being able to summon black from other timelines, it would be absurd to think he can't summon black from otger timeline's nights.
His black manipulation still would be 2C.
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No you’re misunderstanding the Squad 0 thread. Squad 0 not scaling to 2-C =/= cosmology not being 2-C. They don’t scale cuz it was determined they weren’t affecting the timelines, not that the timelines don’t exist. The realms are accepted as universes with blatant timelines.
I’d also prefer it if you respected the scope of this thread and refrained from misrepresenting accepted information.
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Besides the fact he himself was the OP, Ichibei has 2-C range as of this thread, therefore the verse is 2-C at least.
Several things are outdated now, just look at anyone with 3-A and Low 2-C ED
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And that's what we have been saying bud, but according to what is being said. It needs feats to be accepted as 2C not interpretations or statements but rather a feat of affecting a 2c structure.
But I don't know where the mausoleum feat would scale to tho.
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Wanted to add another thing, considering he named physical, metaphysical even abstract ideas, naming the worlds won't be far fetched for him either. And he even named the one whose very existence is essential for the existence of the worlds in literal sense.
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This has already been addressed when myself and arc brought similar arguments but qaws addressed them. To be accepted as 2C or higher a lot more evidence is needed than what is being brought.
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Well what I have seen seems different. Based on his feats alone it him being below low 2C just seems absurd.
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Since the 2C AP for ichibei is not evidently sufficient, I agree with the 2C range.
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An argument for low 2c can be used but you'd have to do it in another thread. Let's just focus on the range for now.
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There's quite literally nothing to talk about range here. It's a AP thread. We can discuss this here now.
My take on this is
AP- Low 2C (based on mesuleum feat), likely 2C (considering he has complete gover blackness, he should be logically be able to steal blackness from all the timelines, he already demonstrated his range).
About durability, yes I do think these feats doesn't speak for his durability. He probably not getting it until whole SZ is getting 2C rating since it comes from withstanding spiritual pressure.
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Futen is pretty unquantifable in terms of AP. There is no way to gauge the value of 1 “night” which is then converted into ink lol.
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I’m not misrepresenting anything
You didn’t propose any upgrade to 2C, none of the staff agreed to 2C, they accepted a timeline being present but not affected
Your CRT says shaking the 3 realms would be Low 2C, if they were accepted as 3 continuums it would be 2C flat out, you never propose that, nor did staff agree to 2C, why are you all of a sudden acting like they agreed with 2C cosmology and 4A feat when they only said yes to a 4A feat? I’ve checked every staff vote there it’s just false.
can’t have 2C feats without a 2C cosmology, I get that you want tier 2 bleach but this isn’t the way to go about it, just wait for cour 4 to expand on that stuff
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Ohh i didn't see that but how wouldn't this affect the entire time of the soul society tho? I don't get it.Futen Taisatsuryo isn’t even Low 2-C, 100 nights =/= the entire timeline
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That's not the argument. It comes from the fact he manipulates black by significantly affecting the timeline of SS. We are not quantifying the night here.
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Ah man. That's what I adressed above. You really do should improve on tier 2Futen Taisatsuryo isn’t even Low 2-C, 100 nights =/= the entire timeline
.When he summoned black across multiple space times in previous moves - shikai, there's no point he would be summoning black from just a localized area's time when this move's purpose is to erase him from the timelines so that he can not even reincarnate. Summoning darkness from localized area's time is far from the context or we don't consider context anymore in this kinda situations?
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Exactly. They agreed and accepted the existence of 3 Low 2-C realms (sum totally 2-C), but didn’t agree that Squad 0 affected the 2-C construct but rather just affected the physical 3D matter.
No it doesn’t… as self evident by the staff votes being categorized as 4-A or 4-A, possibly 2-C. I mention the realms are individually Low 2-C constructs, which you misunderstood as me saying the cosmology is Low 2-C. But all the voting staff understood correctly that it was in context of quantifying the 2-C to 3 universes. You’re the only one that’s blatantly and dishonestly twisting my words by citing them out of context.
Well luckily Bleach has an accepted 2-C cosmology alreadycan’t have 2C feats without a 2C cosmology, I get that you want tier 2 bleach but this isn’t the way to go about it, just wait for cour 4 to expand on that stuff
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Range =/= Ap, just because Ichibei can reach points across time (4D range) doesn't mean his Attack Potency scales to 4D.
low 2-C requires the totality of the said 4D structure.
the criteria for 2-C.
Significant affect = Warping/destroying the entire structure, not pieces.
he steals "black" (a conceptual property) across time, this is 4D range not universal Ap.
I suggest y'all need evidence of this, like Qaw stated before:
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My issue with this is this "steal" would affect the universe in 100 years, hence the significant effect.
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You still think it's just reaching 4D range not affecting, warping or attacking.
Yeah I already explained enough why it should be ap not just range.
Even this might change basing on the accepted size of the realms. Patience is fruitful
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the 2-C range switch seems reasonable
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I know you not gonna handle 2C in this thread. Will likely handle in another thread. I am patient. Just letting you know the huge cracks in their arguments.practice what you preach Adam and be patient then
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