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Chainsaw Man discussion thread

By the by; do y'all know of the Mach 4.37 statement for the Gun Devil? If yes it's a potential upscale for Pochita (and thus Yoru's weaponification speed) without calc stacking
 
Lowk feel like Gun Goddess should be way faster if we already accept Yoru's weaponification speed's timeframe via the Mach 1 statement (albeit that leaves out the AP scaling due to the feat reaching FTL+ but honestly I'm fine with that)
Weaponification speed and attack speed are different categories of speed, so naturally, it wouldn't work
 
Weaponification speed and attack speed are different categories of speed, so naturally, it wouldn't work
That's fine, but we already accept Pochita being Mach 1 in the weaponification feat but for some reason we don't apply that to the Goddess tagging him which I don't know why we don't. Also, the current speed for it implies Pochita is below human level in reactions lol
 
That's fine, but we already accept Pochita being Mach 1 in the weaponification feat but for some reason we don't apply that to the Goddess tagging him which I don't know why we don't. Also, the current speed for it implies Pochita is below human level in reactions lol
That's different, because Pochita was off guard the entire time, not only that, but we can't prove that his perception speed is that fast
 
That's his attacks speed which by extension extends to Primals. I wonder if it's calc stacking though.
Well according to standards, stated speeds can be used and honestly, a calculation that has literally all the steps for speed canonically stated (distance and time) should count as a valid non-calc stacked end imo since that's basically a stated speed with extra steps
 
That's different, because Pochita was off guard the entire time, not only that, but we can't prove that his perception speed is that fast
His perception speed kinda has to be that fast since he already blitzed Hybrid Quanxi (who we get the statement from in her base) and knew where he was going while doing so when he was weaker (less fear due to no fear from humans just devils)

EDIT: Also when he was off-guard, he casually blitzed Aging Devil aswell as Yoru and Katana Man so him even just having human/superhuman level reactions via that would still make the feat around SOL/FTL
 
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His perception speed kinda has to be that fast since he already blitzed Hybrid Quanxi (who we get the statement from in her base)
That's a combat speed feat
EDIT: Also when he was off-guard, he casually blitzed Aging Devil aswell as Yoru and Katana Man so him even just having human/superhuman level reactions via that would still make the feat around SOL/FTL
He really didn't, the Aging Devil wasn't putting any effort into his attacks, hence why he was moving at the same speed as Yoru and Katana Man. Once again tho, another combat speed feat and not perception speed.
 
He really didn't, the Aging Devil wasn't putting any effort into his attacks, hence why he was moving at the same speed as Yoru and Katana Man. Once again tho, another combat speed feat and not perception speed.
Ah I see, so you want me to prove how Pochita can percieve at Mach 1 or even human level speeds and not swing his chainsaws at that speed so I can infer FTL Goddess?

Well that's easy, we see him percieve stuff at human levels at bare minimum all the time, like all the scenes with Kobeni and her restaurant, him seeing the ice cream truck, him seeing that random blood donor chick in part 2 etc etc, it feels pretty disingenuine to say that at that specific moment he couldn't percieve at human level speeds (as again, that's what the accepted speed implies). And the feat where he blitzes Quanxi also entails him percieving at > Mach 1 as he percieved the way he was going while blasting through those buildings so
 
Ngl, this calc is very convoluted and is all over the place. I'd say make it way more simple (you dont even have to change anything, just make it more digestible) and it'll prob be fine at a glance assuming all the math is correct.
Tbh I don't even know where to change the math, making it too simple would result into FTL (obviously when you're dealing with stuff this tight). Ofc I could remove the highend and just get the lowend for the hair, that reduces the amount of math by a little bit, but that's about it.

Edit: I cleaned some of it up, it sure looks cleaner now
 
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Anyways, there is finally a fair and square Primal fear matchup, so go participate guys
 
That's his attacks speed which by extension extends to Primals. I wonder if it's calc stacking though.

Need your help here
It's calc stacking: It must be a stated speed, i.e mach 5.

In the official translation, Makima states, "You fought the weapon devils and the four horsemen, who are now here." But I've seen other translations that change the context. For example, one has Makima saying they fought you, which confirms the four horsemen as the pursuers. Then there's another where she says "he fought the weapon devils, and among them, four knights," which suggests that the four horsemen are considered weapon devils.
The Four Horsemen are very probably not Weapon Devils. The latter translation just totally missed the horseman theme, Four Horsemen in JP means "four knights" only literally. 'Tis an error.
 
It's calc stacking: It must be a stated speed, i.e mach 5.
Except this is a stated speed technically, just with a singular extra step that's alr canonized which means it wouldn't matter if Fuji said "Gun can shoot at mach 4.37" or if he said "Gun can shoot X at 1500m in 1s" as the result is exactly the same.
 
Are we okay with using the latest Chainsaw Man renders for the movie on profiles, considering they are the canon designs now?
 
This extra step is a calc, making using that speed in other calcs calc-stacking. It's just site rules.
All speeds, stated or not, are the results of an initial calc, the result would be the same and the standard disallowing this and allowing a stated speed feels like it being half-baked for no reason. Although if a CGM could evaluate if a statement saying (1500m/1s) would be the same as a statement saying (mach 4.37) then it'd be more clear
 
Considering the last makima matchup I made was like a stomp, I'm gonna ask this rq to make sure I'm not making another one sided matchup again😭

Is Makima vs Sukuna a good idea?
and no I'm not talking about 15/16F Sukuna Considering that is already done

I'm talking about Full power Sukuna
 
Considering the last makima matchup I made was like a stomp, I'm gonna ask this rq to make sure I'm not making another one sided matchup again😭

Is Makima vs Sukuna a good idea?
and no I'm not talking about 15/16F Sukuna Considering that is already done

I'm talking about Full power Sukuna
Most likely? It all comes down to Malevolent Shrine, but it will be an interesting debate
 
 
All speeds, stated or not, are the results of an initial calc
Nope. Plenty of characters have canon "faster than sound" or "mach 5" statements. That's not a calc.

Are we okay with using the latest Chainsaw Man renders for the movie on profiles, considering they are the canon designs now?
Yeah as long as they look better.
 
So uh Makima vs Sukuna is now in Grace

So uhh how do I add this in both profiles once the grace ends

Considering There would be Two Sukuna and Makima Wins/Loses in both Profiles

with the only difference is that 16F Sukuna is Used in the other one and I think makima's Mind Control was also Took into factor in that matchup which I'm kinda surprised it was never brought out in the Full Power Sukuna vs Makima Matchup
 
makima's Mind Control was also Took into factor in that matchup which I'm kinda surprised it was never brought out in the Full Power Sukuna vs Makima Matchup
Because the AP gap was in Makima's favor, so Sukuna would be defenseless to the telekinesis and Makima will see him as inferior. The usual, or at least that what I think I remember?
 
Because the AP gap was in Makima's favor, so Sukuna would be defenseless to the telekinesis and Makima will see him as inferior. The usual, or at least that what I think I remember?
ic.

welp once the grace ended,
I'll just add that to the list of Makima Matchups I found on R/deathbattlematchups that I wanna do an actual matchup of in this Site


oh yeah once again uh how would we add the True Power Sukuna vs Makima in the matchups section, like is it allowed to add two matchups fo the same character just with different keys in the matchups section?
 
Anyone participating in this one now?

 
augh, Once Sukuna vs Makima Matchup finishes grace, I'm gonna do other Makima Matchups that I saw People like in R/deathbattlematchups cuz why not

however I need some opinions on which matchup I should do and is a good idea
considering some Im gonna list could be stomps

Let's see
-Makima vs Alucard (Stopped because a stomp)
-Makima vs Sukuna (Done)
-Makima vs Gojo (Also done but it seems Majority chose Makima in the most recent thread I can found and it's apparently a stomp)
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-Muzan vs Makima (uh Ionno about this)
-Makima vs Alastor (I'm probably gonna restrict makima to just 8-A cuz the AP difference would just be 2x if I did infact do this matchup)
-Kenjaku vs Makima (pretty sure the 16F Sukuna vs Makima was originally this matchup)
-Tooru vs Makima
 
nevermind I found some matchups on r/deathbattle that are related to him.

Eternity devil vs Killer Queen

and that's it..

there are other matchups but those were complete stomps like The Eternity devil vs The ******* Eternity from Marvel Comics
 
nevermind I found some matchups on r/deathbattle that are related to him.

Eternity devil vs Killer Queen

and that's it..

there are other matchups but those were complete stomps like The Eternity devil vs The ******* Eternity from Marvel Comics
Part 2 Eternity is impossible for a matchup, part 1 however could be interesting, I mean freaking Denji beat it after all. You need characters that would make Eternity personally come out to fight, and said character must also has enough endurance.
 
If you're asking for a profile, we already got one. If you don't know how we even make a fair matchup for him, then idk.
ig I'll just think of one
and no I'm aware of the pfp

I'm more confused on how we making one for him, cuz he's literally just a Devil that Traps People in a Looping Building idk how we gonna find a matchup for smth like that
 
ig I'll just think of one
and no I'm aware of the pfp

I'm more confused on how we making one for him, cuz he's literally just a Devil that Traps People in a Looping Building idk how we gonna find a matchup for smth like that
Part 1 could work.
Anyways, I finally found a good Primal fear matchup and the first thing that happens is that it's apparently dead as hell, why no one participating bruh
 
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