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She doesn't have infinite stamina in her profile, just superhuman. Not that it matters since there's no way the fight will last long enough for her to get tired.
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Raiden Shogun vs Regulus Corneas
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You're arguing with technicality.
"BFR (Ei can pull opponents into the Plane of Euthymia)"
Yes, for the fighters specifically, not their equipment. You're saying that someone who has access to a satellite should have it spawn right next to them instead of orbiting the planet?
How can she see the heart? Does she have X-Ray vision or something? Nothing says that they're aware of the fight at the beginning nor is there anything that says they won't run once they are. For all she knows, they're just civilians.
Illusions that are apparently less durable than the real thing and ones that he can also destroy just by scattering earth over their general area.
He can only use Little King on his wives. He won't use it on her even if he can anyway. She can't cook.
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Yeah i am arguing technicality, her BFR works differently than echidna's, if you say Regulus can bypass it, please care to explain.
VortechsTG
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I don't really want to engage with this argument because it clearly isn't going anywhere but I want to point out that Echidna's bfr quite literally does not work differently. She also encloses it around someone.
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Gyazo
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can you please give source of it changing space just like Raiden's?
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it is different, her ability works by enveloping thing which is getting BFR'd which is cage in the case in that scan you gaveThey seem similar enough to me, even down to the "darkness swallow you up and you suddenly appear in a different dimension" part.Gyazo
but in Raiden's case she is changing surrounding space regardless of the thing or person getting BFR'd.
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Completely false that Raiden has more than 1 Shogun puppet at her disposal, Ei learnt how to store her consciousness inside objects and immediately she succeeded in creating Shogun she discarded her physical body.
Ei's consciousness exists in the Sword Musou Isshin that's kept within the Shogun puppet.
The replacement she stated she would get was in the case of a Breakdown not total destruction of her body.
Ei's BFR works by allowing the person's consciousness inside the Plane of Euthymia and besting them in combat within, her abstract physiology is useless within since she's using BFR on the person's abstract nature as a consciousness.
Ignoring the fact that it's OOC for Ei to drag an opponent into the plane of Euthymia in the first place, she did it to the Traveler because he stood to shake her will on imposing eternity and Shogun decided to let him face Ei
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Why are u guys thinks as if the Shogun is a weaker than Ei and he just need destroy it?
This Shogun literally onpar with Full Power Ei and Musou Isshin and yet not even broken once.
If Ei posessed the Shogun, that Means Ei = Shogun, so he basically fight against Ei.
Ei already said
"Despite serving as my guard during this journey, you need not shield me from danger. The Shogun's constitution is rather robust, and in the event she does break down, we can SIMPLY get a replacement. In an emergency, just send her into the fray."
so she already said that if the shogun is broken, she can simply get a replacement or something that she can simply fix it again.
So with these words, the time to fix the shogun is not that long because Ei always had eyes or always watched what the Shogun did, if something happened then Ei would help her from within her dimension, or she could just possessed the shogun.
And I doubt Regulus can destroy her, the Shogun is more or less on par with Ei, fighting with the Shogun is the same as fighting with Ei.
I read all the people's comments and saying "he just needs to destroy the puppet" As if the Puppet is weaker than Ei whatsoever.. Y'all really downplaying the Puppet too much
This Shogun literally onpar with Full Power Ei and Musou Isshin and yet not even broken once.
If Ei posessed the Shogun, that Means Ei = Shogun, so he basically fight against Ei.
Ei already said
"Despite serving as my guard during this journey, you need not shield me from danger. The Shogun's constitution is rather robust, and in the event she does break down, we can SIMPLY get a replacement. In an emergency, just send her into the fray."
so she already said that if the shogun is broken, she can simply get a replacement or something that she can simply fix it again.
So with these words, the time to fix the shogun is not that long because Ei always had eyes or always watched what the Shogun did, if something happened then Ei would help her from within her dimension, or she could just possessed the shogun.
And I doubt Regulus can destroy her, the Shogun is more or less on par with Ei, fighting with the Shogun is the same as fighting with Ei.
I read all the people's comments and saying "he just needs to destroy the puppet" As if the Puppet is weaker than Ei whatsoever.. Y'all really downplaying the Puppet too much
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Let's not forget that the Shogun has Immo type 8&9 which of course is reliant to Ei, You always say "he just needs to destroy the puppet and Ei cannot fight with him because she doesn't have a physical body" as if Shogun can't get back up and forget that Shogun has Immo type 8&9.
Although it is unknown how long it will take for Ei to fix the Shogun, but still the Shogun has that immortality and Regulus can't ignore it.
How long will he destroy it? (even though he can't destroy it) this Puppet will raise again and again, even if he can, he will always do the same thing forever until he realizes that he must defeat Ei first (even though he can't)
Although it is unknown how long it will take for Ei to fix the Shogun, but still the Shogun has that immortality and Regulus can't ignore it.
How long will he destroy it? (even though he can't destroy it) this Puppet will raise again and again, even if he can, he will always do the same thing forever until he realizes that he must defeat Ei first (even though he can't)
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Strength has nothing to do with it
His attacks ignore durability
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We seriously need to get that all of that on her profile.
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Then why did it didn't get past sword of reinhard?
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She also has duraneg and all other haxs that he cannot resist
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The sword is blatantly hax. It's primary trait is that it is invincible, just like Regulus.
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Shogun does not have immortality type 8 & 9, that’s Ei. Secondly, Shogun has 0 regen so even if that was true it is quite literally irrelevant because she cannot regenerate
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Atp, shouldn’t the thread just be closed? It’s like every time somebody mentions something pertaining to Ei/Raiden losing they allegedly have said counter and pulls it right of out of their ass despite it not being anywhere on their profiles. They should be permanently suspended from matchups until their profile is fixed, because atp just say she can do anything without having any proof
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shogun has immo 8 and 9, you just need to look at her profile. Ei have immo 6.
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Yeah, that’s cool and all but it still doesn’t change the fact she has no regen. A single attack from Regulus would destroy her
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ei can instantly replace the shogun and repair the shogun from within the poe if the shogun is destroyed, and they can regen while in the conscious realm,
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For the most part, the problem is not the profile I assure you
AlipheeseXIV
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Okay, and I say Regulus can manipulate reality and instantly end the genshin verse with a thought. You guys repeatedly keep doing precisely this, where is it stated on her profile that she can do that? Where is it stated and shown in the game that she can “instantly” repair the Shogun? If Ei literally needs her to interact with reality in any meaningful way, I’m confused
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No? Buddy that Immo type 8&9 is in the Shogun Part, she got the type 8 is because she reliant to Ei, The Shogun cannot be broken as long as Ei still alived.
I already said that Ei can simply fix the shogun again if somehow she broken, the time she need to fix the shogun is not that long.
You wanna say Ei is the one who have Type 8 because she reliant to the puppet? I think you forgot that she can simply fix it again.
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"Self-Healing via willpower while inside a realm of consciousness (The Raiden Shogun and Ei are capable of completely recovering from any damage they sustain via willpower while inside a realm of consciousness[1])"
It only works within their realm so she can't heal outside of it. Regulus can just use his Authority on her to prevent her from retreating since she'll be unaffected by physics like him.
How long does it take then? Give us a specific timeframe. If she takes more than 24 hours, she loses via incapacitation.
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She doesn't have regeneration because Puppet have replacement, and Ei have no body at all
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That is not regen my man, immortality type 8 in this case clearly is just referring to the consciousness realm and type 9 is self explanatory. Neither forms of immortality inherently give regen, in fact the ONLY one that does is type 3. Type 8 CAN but only when shown and proven to give regen, Ei being able to fix the puppet =/= regeneration for the puppet, that is closer to healing, and in fact it is not even that.
Also this statement is just utter bs with no semblance of fact or even a shred of evidence, again. You genshin supporters need to stop doing this, it's genuinely deranged logic
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Yeah, ik she doesn't have regen. There does not exist a feat of Ei replacing the puppet, how can you thus claim that she can "instantly" do so when she's never even shown the ability to do so whatsoever? We're just going in circles atp, put it as incon and close this thread I see no merit in continuing it if people will continue claiming she can do things that objectively aren't on her profile. While also offering zero feats/statements to support their claims
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She said she can do it even in emergency, isn't it self explanatory to be fast enough?
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While I can understand the general line of thought behind that logic, no. That doesn't necessarily prove that the speed of her either restoring/creating the puppet is anywhere near instant. All it means is that she'd be capable, there is no mention of time.
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Even if it is not instant it will still be fast enough to give response in time, that is what emergency is about.
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No...that statement can just be taken as her assuring whoever she told that to that it'd be done. The word emergency does not instantly mean she'd be able to do it instantly, it could mean hours, days, weeks, months, years, decades, etc. There is nothing in that statement itself that confirms it'd be within SBA incap rules
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If it would have taken days or months word emergency would be useless as in battle every moment counts, and she created countless puppets in 100 or less years, meaning it is for sure smaller than year.
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This still doesn't change the fact that the actual measurement of time is incredibly diverse, if we literally take what you just said seriously. Creating countless puppets in a 100 or less years? This by itself would already imply she cannot just make them instantly, now before you try to further extrapolate that "countless" could mean any higher number let's not forget the lore implications. By "countless" it simply is impossible for it to be referring to literally 10s of thousands of puppets or even thousands, why? Because if she actually had that many then why only use 1? Why only use Shogun to attain her dream of eternity during the VHD? Why only use 1 puppet to stop Traveler who was actively thwarting her plans and defeated her in her own domain? Why not use this ambiguous "countless" amount of puppets to stop Shogun when she went haywire and fought her? The answer is simple, it's because she couldn't. She either doesn't have the "countless" quantity of puppets that line makes you think she does, or...she does have that quantity of puppets but they are all immensely inferior compared to Shogun, WHICH would just prove that she could not easily create a new puppet on the same tier as Shogun
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Well it was a support argument, main argument was that she can do it in emergency and in battle time emergency is talking about like hours, I can't give you definitive proof of this
But all of this assumes that regulus would be able to destroy all of the puppet instantly, which I doubt, Why can't Raiden just BFR him in PoE before he does his chants?
AlipheeseXIV
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There is no assumption, Regulus can in fact do this. Also not sure where you get the idea that he chants? Regulus does not need to do anything to activate Lions Heart or stillness of an objects time, it's thought based. The former is passive.
AlipheeseXIV
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A single attack from Regulus is guaranteed to destroy anything that the genshin verse can realistically put against it, so...yeah...
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How has this gotten worse since I last was here
Anyways Regulus fra, iirc they can't be reasoned with
Anyways Regulus fra, iirc they can't be reasoned with
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