Quilge Opie (Bleach) vs Kai (Ninjago) [3-2-4]

[Lloydblitzed]

Rizz King vs Soul Commander

Rules:
Post Releasement key is used for Kai and has access to his Aeroblade
Quilge Opie has access to his sword
Speed is equalized
Fight takes place in Chen's Island Jungle
Starting Distance: 5m
SBA for the rest

Quilge Opie: @Purgy @Deceived3596 @MrVenomYTX
Kai: @TheOrangeGuy09 @Celestial_Scaler25
Incon: @AigerTheKing @Ebihara @Johner2133451 @AppleMaker

 

[AigerTheKing]

Does Kai have a counter to Esdeath's Time Stop

• Time Stop via Mahapadma

 

[YmTheSuper]

Isn't this a stomp? Kai one-shots and Esdeath doesn't start with time stop in character

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Does Kai have a counter to Esdeath's Time Stop

She doesn't start with that. its a trump card

Isn't this a stomp? Kai one-shots and Esdeath doesn't start with time stop in character

Esdeath has Ice Dura Neg

 

[AigerTheKing]

Kai one-shots and Esdeath doesn't start with time stop in character

oh

Esdeath has Ice Dura Neg

I mean...you could've come up with a better matchup to be real

 

[Arkansalter2]

Could have been a better matchup...
But Kai unfortunately one shots.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

oh

I mean...you could've come up with a better matchup to be real

Could have been a better matchup...
But Kai unfortunately one shots.

Changed the matchup

 

[Arkansalter2]

Changed the matchup

Link the other guy lol

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Link the other guy lol

Done

 

[AigerTheKing]

Done

How does Kai deal with 4-A AP?

 

[Arkansalter2]

Alright... now it's a who shoots first match.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

How does Kai deal with 4-A AP?

Aeroblades Dura Negs and one shots souls

 

[kwelski]

If quilge uses his shrift on Kai isn’t it just gg? Unless Kai has a way out.

 

[AigerTheKing]

If quilge uses his shrift on Kai isn’t it just gg? Unless Kai has a way out.

The Jail requires Quilge to charge which technically takes more time than launching a blade

 

[kwelski]

The Jail requires Quilge to charge which technically takes more time than launching a blade

true, it doesn’t seem to travel super fast either (though idk if it actually is slow)

 

[Lloydblitzed]

If quilge uses his shrift on Kai isn’t it just gg? Unless Kai has a way out.

If Kai gets hit by the Jail, yes he is cooked, but if Quilge is hit by the Aeroblade, he's also cooked. I think it depends on skills cuz Kai could dodge

 

[AigerTheKing]

If Kai gets hit by the Jail, yes he is cooked, but if Quilge is hit by the Aeroblade, he's also cooked. I think it depends on skills cuz Kai could dodge

Well Opie is able to shoot many projectiles at once and he should be really good with archery

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Well Opie is able to shoot many projectiles at once and he should be really good with archery

Kai and the other Ninjas are capable of dodging a swarm of lasers from Nindroids and should be at least on Wyldfyre level who can clap multiple trained warriors at once so I think he should be able to hit Opie. Not to count Stealth is an option this time but ye

 

[AigerTheKing]

Siding with Kai high diff then

 

[Purgy]

Aeroblades Dura Negs and one shots souls

Kai's page states that the weapons have durability negation against intangible beings.

Durability Negation against Intangible beings (With the Aeroblade)

And the equipment section itself specifically says it is because the ghosts in that verse are weak to water.

Fire Aeroblade: The Aeroblades are shuriken-like weapons that are dull and non-colored until touched, glowing brights colors usually connected to the user's elemental power. They have the ability to nullify Intangibility (specifically to ghosts, since they are comprised of Deepstone, an aquatic material. A ghost's only weakness is water) when they come in contact.

Quilge is neither intangible nor is he weak to water, so this ability seems to be irrelevant.

I'm voting for Quilge via either sealing Kai with The Jail or just absorbing him with Sklavarei which is his go to ability.

 

[Ebihara]

Ill vote qulige for purgy's reasons. I dont see how the aeroblades would be applicable here.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Kai's page states that the weapons have durability negation against intangible beings.

Those intangible beings are ghosts. Its just badly worded

And the equipment section itself specifically says it is because the ghosts in that verse are weak to water.

Quilge is neither intangible nor is he weak to water, so this ability seems to be irrelevant.

Kai has Resist Negation against 5D Invulnerability to Fire, so he can still burn him actually. And Im pretty sure Verse Equilization can be used as they both share Soul like Physiologies

 

[Lloydblitzed]

I dont see how the aeroblades would be applicable here.

Those intangible beings are ghosts. Its just badly worded

Kai has Resist Negation against 5D Invulnerability to Fire, so he can still burn him actually. And Im pretty sure Verse Equilization can be used as they both share Soul like Physiologies

 

[Ebihara]

keeping my vote, thats not how verse equaliaztion would work, he is not a ghost and its not similar. He could harm him with somthing else but I just fully disagree he would get one shot by aeroblades cause it one shots ghosts.

 

[Purgy]

Those intangible beings are ghosts. Its just badly worded

Kai has Resist Negation against 5D Invulnerability to Fire, so he can still burn him actually. And Im pretty sure Verse Equilization can be used as they both share Soul Physiology

Well that's what Kai's profile states and Quilge isn't intangible or weak to water.

Verse equalization does not work like that.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Well that's what Kai's profile states and Quilge isn't intangible or weak to water.

By that logic, Kai is immune to Reishi as he was never harmed by it

Verse equalization does not work like that.

Both Ghosts and Souls from Bleach are spiritual entities who can interact with souls and use/create spiritual weapons (as shown here for Ninjago's equivalent). They should be similar

Similar supernatural aspects of verses get equalized in a reasonable fashion.

Since the Commander guy is a Quincy, ig he won't get physically one shot, but Kai can still counter his spiritual attacks via Aeroblades

 

[Purgy]

By that logic, Kai is immune to Reishi as he was never harmed by it

Both Ghosts and Souls from Bleach are spiritual entities who can interact with souls and use/create spiritual weapons (as shown here for Ninjago's equivalent). They should be similar

Since the Commander guy is a Quincy, ig he won't get physically one shot, but Kai can still counter his spiritual attacks via Aeroblades

Reishi doesn't have the limitation of only working on intangible beings that are weak to water like Aeroblades are stated to have on Kai's profile, so that "logic" is entirely illogical.

Any similarities that you think exist between Bleach souls and Ninjago ghosts are irrelevant, Quilge isn't intangible or weak to water.

Aeroblades are doing nothing to Quilge according to Kai's profile.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Reishi doesn't have the limitation of only working on intangible beings that are weak to water like Aeroblades are stated to have on Kai's profile, so that "logic" is entirely illogical.

Any similarities that you think exist between Bleach souls and Ninjago ghosts are irrelevant, Quilge isn't intangible or weak to water.

Aeroblades are doing nothing to Quilge according to Kai's profile.

Kai has a soul, and souls in Ninjago also lacks Bleach weaknesses as well as Reishi so Kai is invincible to Reishi

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Reishi doesn't have the limitation of only working on intangible beings that are weak to water like Aeroblades are stated to have on Kai's profile, so that "logic" is entirely illogical.

Remind me why Souls in Bleach have NPI over interacting with other souls?

Any similarities that you think exist between Bleach souls and Ninjago ghosts are irrelevant, Quilge isn't intangible or weak to water.

Verse equilization would equalize their weaknesses as well normally

 

[Ebihara]

Kai has a soul, and souls in Ninjago also lacks Bleach weaknesses so Kai is invincible to Reishi

That is nonsense, and doesn't follow any reasonable line of logic. We aren't arguing reishi is extra effective versus anything. It doesn't matter if he is weak to reishi for his attacks to be effective agasint Kai. But for aeroblade to one shot or be extra effective would require him to be weak to weak to water and intangible. I am not arguing this anymore cause you don't seem to want to agree with what's on kai's profile go make a crt.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

That is nonsense, and doesn't follow any reasonable line of logic. We aren't arguing reishi is extra effective versus anything.

What's the point of Verse Equilization if u explicitly need the same weaknesses in both verses to work according to you 2, which is also nonsense?

 

[Ebihara]

What's the point of Verse Equilization if u explicitly need the same weaknesses in both verses to work according to you 2, which is also nonsense?

Cause i am not arguring it's a weakness but you brought up aeroblades as somthing he would be weak towards. This is a false equivalency.

 

[Purgy]

Kai has a soul, and souls in Ninjago also lacks Bleach weaknesses so Kai is invincible to Reishi

Weaknesses such as?

Remind me why Souls in Bleach have NPI over interacting with other souls?

Verse equilization would equalize their weaknesses as well normally

Because certain things in Bleach are intangible, Quilge however, is not, which is why you won't find intangiblity listed anywhere on his profile.

Verse equalization does not apply weaknesses from one verse to characters of a different verse, that would be completely nonsensical. In fact the Standard Battle Assumption page suggests the opposite of what you're arguing.

However, if an ability has a weakness, condition, caveat, or limitation, consistently shown throughout its use (such as not working on characters under a specific condition, like energy gap) or stated by a valid and uncontradicted statement, then it should be applicable after the equalization.

This means that even if verse equalization were applicable in this instance (it isn't in my opinion as Bleach and Ninjago have entirely different energy systems), that weaknesses to abilities would still exist, in this case, Aeroblades working against intangible beings that are weak to water, which again, Quilge is neither.

 

[Ebihara]

Kai has other ways to hurt him but aeroblade is not going to dura neg him.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Weaknesses such as?

Vulnerability to everything that harms souls in Bleach thanks to Reishi

Because certain things in Bleach are intangible, Quilge however, is not, which is why you won't find intangiblity listed anywhere on his profile.

Spirits and Spiritual Energy are intangible in Bleach, else they wouldn't have NPI over it

Verse equalization does not apply weaknesses from one verse to characters of a different verse, that would be completely nonsensical. In fact the Standard Battle Assumption page suggests the opposite of what you're arguing.

Weaknesses are applicable after equalization

However, if an ability has a weakness, condition, caveat, or limitation, consistently shown throughout its use (such as not working on characters under a specific condition, like energy gap) or stated by a valid and uncontradicted statement, then it should be applicable after the equalization.

This means that even if verse equalization were applicable in this instance (it isn't in my opinion as Bleach and Ninjago have entirely different energy systems), that weaknesses to abilities would still exist, in this case, Aeroblades working against intangible beings that are weak to water, which again, Quilge is neither.

Souls by default are vulnerable to water in Ninjago, and the Aeroblade specifically works againsts souls. All of Quilge attacks are made of Spiritual energy, so they will be affected

 

[Purgy]

Vulnerability to everything that harms souls in Bleach thanks to Reishi

Spirits and Spiritual Energy are intangible in Bleach, else they wouldn't have NPI over it

Weaknesses are applicable after equalization

Souls by default are vulnerable to water in Ninjago, and the Aeroblade specifically works againsts souls. All of Quilge attacks are made of Spiritual energy, so they will be affected

Which Bleach profile is that listed on?

Quilge isn't intangible, but if you disagree, feel free to make a CRT giving him that ability.

So Aeroblades would retain their caveat with or without verse equalization.

Ghosts in Ninjago being intangible and having a weakness to water does not make souls from a different verse intangible and weak to water.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Which Bleach profile is that listed on?

Every single Quincy pages

Quilge isn't intangible, but if you disagree, feel free to make a CRT giving him that ability.

His spirituals attacks are. Read again

So Aeroblades would retain their caveat with or without verse equalization.

And should be able to affect the spiritual attacks thanks to equilization as the page states

Ghosts in Ninjago being intangible and having a weakness to water does not make souls from a different verse intangible and weak to water

So souls are physical in Bleach now?

Btw, still no answer to him getting vaporized by Resistance Negation?

 

[Purgy]

Every single Quincy pages

His spirituals attacks are. Read again

And should be able to affect the spiritual attacks thanks to equilization as the page states

So souls are physical in Bleach now?

Btw, still no answer to him getting vaporized by Resistance Negation?

That image you linked mentions nothing about Reishi having a weakness that would give Kai "invincibility" to it, as you claimed earlier.

Even if Aeroblades could hypothetically do something to Quilge's attacks, which is unlikely considering they are neither weak to water nor an intangible being, they are still doing nothing to Quilge himself which is what matters.

The vast majority of them are yes, be it Soul Reapers, Quincy or Hollows, 99.9% of them are tangible, which as I said before, is why you won't find intangibility on their profiles.

Quilge doesn't have invulnerability to those various abilities in the first place, so why does invulnerability negation matter? As for getting vaporized, that'd depend on the temperature feats Kai has, which looking at his profile, aren't impressive.

 

[Deceived3596]

Quilge FRA

It seems like there is a misconception about what the Physiology blog is actually stating. It's not accepted that Quilge is intangible or that his attacks are, as that would be incorrect with how Reishi Density works within verse. it's accepted that anything composed of Reishi is invulnerable to physical attacks that are incapable of damaging spiritual entities, as evidence shows that, without the assistance of Reiryoku, one is incapable of harming spiritual entities, because of their spiritual composition.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

It seems like there is a misconception about what the Physiology blog is actually stating. It's not accepted that Quilge is intangible or that his attacks are, as that would be incorrect with how Reishi Density works within verse. it's accepted that anything composed of Reishi is invulnerable to physical attacks that are incapable of damaging spiritual entities, as evidence shows that, without the assistance of Reiryoku, one is incapable of harming spiritual entities, because of their spiritual composition.

Kai can harm spiritual entities so this is not a wincoin to him

That image you linked mentions nothing about Reishi having a weakness that would give Kai "invincibility" to it, as you claimed earlier.

By your logic, the commander wouldn't be able to phase Kai due to Reishi not being compatible with the Ninjago system

The vast majority of them are yes, be it Soul Reapers, Quincy or Hollows, 99.9% of them are tangible, which as I said before, is why you won't find intangibility on their profiles.

Again, Im arguing about his non physical attacks getting negated

Quilge doesn't have invulnerability to those various abilities in the first place, so why does invulnerability negation matter?

It matters because he's getting burned to death without a resistance to his resistance negation ability.

As for getting vaporized, that'd depend on the temperature feats Kai has, which looking at his profile, aren't impressive.

It works against armors who are invulnerable to attack on a 5D lvl due to scaling to FSM. Quilge doesn't have resistance to that