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I know that. I suppose I interpreted it the information transfer differently at the time. When I originally scaled I basically considered it constant instant teleportation.
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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20
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Speaking of, shouldn't Masayuki and Rudra share a page (as they are the same person)? Just needs different keys for Prime Rudra, deteriorated Rudra, DLF Rudra (kinda since he manifested inside of Masayuki)
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Isn't Inaccessible? Oh wait never mind
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I don't know how usable is Rimuru from Granblue Fantasy gonna be for a matchup, but if y'all are interested then here it is:
vsbattles.com
Observer vs True Demon Lord
SBA (Battle takes place in New York) Speed is equalized Both are 100 meters away from each other The Observer — Ishmael True Demon Lord — Rimuru Tempest Ishmael: Inconclusive: AlipheeseXIV, TheGreatJedi13, AlexSamDen, Richtofen115rdg5 (4) Rimuru:
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My final upgrade for Shion (since i can't upgrade AP without a cosmology upgrade or character upgrade of other characters) is the addition of probability manipulation. This is because of her sub skill Certain Outcome and Optimal Action. These can also be inferred as causality and law manipulation, but since they are already there, no need to mention them.
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Well, did you layer the causality and other abilities?
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Causality was already mentioned in the abilities she had. I didn't want to edit those. The other abilities I mentioned didn't have any layers to them anyways. Simple abilities. The only possible major upgrade was the infinite speed I suggested.
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I thought you were giving US abilities? If yes, then, due to now bypassing US resistances she should get layers
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most of her ultimate skill's abilities were already mentioned. I just picked up a few that weren't. I don't know how layers work that much. I'll ask someone else for the info for now.
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@PrimeHydra64 could you help me with the layers section. The abilities that I think should be added are spatial manipulation, time manipulation, dimensional manipulation, and probability manipulation. I don't know how layers work that much, could you help me with that part.
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Layers for already existing ones. (If an ability ignores resistance, it gets +1 layer from that resistance)
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I see. Thanks for the info.
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Its quantum entanglement, what was happening was the information particles were entangled quantumly, as ciel said it isn't necessarily moving faster than light
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Not really, we have a statement from vol 19 of them bumping
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then quantum communication too, when they are trying to speak to themselves using info particles, anyways we all know the particles isn't necessarily beyond time and space its just quantum mechanic on steroids and we would change it
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They are unaffected by slace and time and with them you can send information to any point in time, since when it's quantum mechanichs?
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That's what I was trying to imply, thank you. That seems like the conclusion with less assumptions
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You know. Maybe that’s true. But I remember reading it somewhere to prove it’s not exactly teleportation but a highly skillful form or physical movement or something. I’ll find that and tell.
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Information particles are unaffected by the suspended world were laws of physics dont apply ,if its quantum physics that means the information particles wont be able to influence each other when the suspended world is active
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Its teleportation on steroids, because for them to even move their body to take a step forward, they'll have to teleport their whole body to respond to that movement and if they are bad at trying to control the info particles they eventually start to lag, why rimuru and chloe convo had some delay at first. So to actually do that, their thinking speed have to be instant, tho some achieve this by copying others like guy and shion, others try to understand it, like rimuru, ultima, dagruel and luminas. Then there's the mfs who happen to naturally be atune to it because of their ability or something unusual like raw force, like Velzard, Michael, Chloe, Milim, Veldanava and Feldway. Essentially speaking they are different methods to achieve it, they teleport while physically moving, but they aren't really teleporting nor moving essentially breaking the normal laws of motion
They aren't unaffected info particle per say, they transfer information in 0 time, in others words even stopping time which makes time 0, it'll appear normal since info particles already doing that and volume 21 did say only ONE law exist there, everything in tensura follows the laws of physics but some are on steroids because their world have magic and shii
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Why do you keep saying teleportation, if we have quotes of them "bumping" and "flying"? That clearly implies physical (somewhat) movement
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Tf you mean "bumping and flying" its literally a flowery language implying they just sent out an "information" christ, its not physical movement smart guy
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I think you didn't understand me ,volume 19 said laws of physics dont apply in the suspended world if you say the behavior of information particles is quantum entanglement it would mean the information particles wont transfer information when the suspended world is active(because the quantum entanglement still part of quantum physics) ,also information particles move to and fro when transferring information but in quantum entanglement the state of one particle is linked/influences the state of the other particle ,nothing about teleportation or transfer
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However, these are mentioned by both Rimuru and Ciel and never actually confirmed to be "flowery language", they are literally discussing their nature
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They are quite literally throwing the "info" of something to "hit" another person, is what she said
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However the hit part isn't in quotation marks
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I don't think any laws of physics exist. Still agreeing with you for now until i find the part which made me think it was not teleportationn.
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Moreover, they later say that the movement speed of IP is constant, idk how do you still think of teleportation
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Are you blind mendel, i said its neither teleportation nor movement, jeez
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I don't care what YOU say, I care what's written in the novel
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Ok, let me try to explain why information particles are not exactly teleportation. Firstly, the scan provided before, talking about transferring information, which was thought to be teleportation, it was rimuru explaining it in general terms. "It was as if", not exact but similar.
There is only a need for 2 scans to show it is not exactly teleportation. This and This. In the first scan, it is stated by ciel itself that IP has to be "flown" out. Not exactly teleported outside or transferred outside or anything else related to teleportation. In the second scan, it is stated that the speed is constant for IP. Speed is not necessarily counted in something can teleport. But since speed is constant, we can understand that it is not indeed teleportation.
There is only a need for 2 scans to show it is not exactly teleportation. This and This. In the first scan, it is stated by ciel itself that IP has to be "flown" out. Not exactly teleported outside or transferred outside or anything else related to teleportation. In the second scan, it is stated that the speed is constant for IP. Speed is not necessarily counted in something can teleport. But since speed is constant, we can understand that it is not indeed teleportation.
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Guys, I have a question: there is a certain someone that says: "If character A has imme speed and character B doesn't, but B is unaffected by anything A does, this is still a win for A in SBA, due to incapping, as B appears frozen to him". How true is this? Is there someone I can ask this to?
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I'm 90% sure it will be a draw or a win for B (in one case).
If B has the passive hax to kill to incapacitate A mentally or physically, B wins. All other cases are draw.
Or since it is SBA speed is equalized anyways.
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Well, B has, but imme are usually condideted faster than passives. Tho in this case B is Rimuru, and as I remember passives do work in SW against technically imme (the diablo and michael case)
It was st first, but for sake of argument it was made unequal in the middle
Is there someone that has enough authority that can tell him that?
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Oh the SW. As far as I know, Diablo doesn’t have any abilities that can incapacitate an imme speed character with just his passives. The examples of abilities that I am giving that can beat an imme character with being normal speed are hajun’s tumor. Ainz ool gown instant death aura. Etc. these only work on lower level beings than them anyways, so since Diablo isn’t facing an opponent lower level than him, his passives won’t work to the level where they can incapacitate an opponent moving at that speed.
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I’ll give an example. Let’s say ainz is facing a human. But ainz max speed is human speed and that human can go at imme speed. That human can’t affect ainz in any way as ainz resists all his attacks. If he enters ainz instant death radius, he will be gone unless he resists that skill to that extent. If any other case, draw.
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Well Diablo is an example of his pre-activated magic partially stopping michael's attack, so this means that passives in tensura do work against imme. The reason fir the question is that A doesn't have anything against Rimuru's passives
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