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Mostly because Sonic forces IS the worst Game, like if the Game was good, then people will probably not trash Infinite that much, but he is a bad villain from a bad game
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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers
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ShrekAnakin
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Me who realized Infinite is actually based by realizing what the point of his character is.Me.
People trash on Infinite because he is a bad written villain, him having Super form scaling not gonna change that.
I still think he is a fraud actually
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ShakeResounding
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In fairness, does it not equally show Infinite's formidability to be one of the few villains we can count on one hand that abides by this trope in the series?
We have Dr. Eggman (hard to kill the main big bad of this franchise), Chaos (hard to put down water kek), King Arthur (literally immortal), Iblis (also immortal), maybe one or two others. Yet none of them are particularly seen as jobbers like Infinite is.
It's just peculiar is all
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wait...you have a point.
most of the villains in Sonic are not like Infinite, mostly because...they literraly just lose or they are incapacitated or something else happens, but they never really defeated Sonic.
man the previous villain before Infinite was Zavok and the deadly six...you know...the guys who lost?and i can continue with all the villains pre infinite.
and the previous ones are Erazor, king arthur and Merlina and Dark gaia and...well you get the idea.
most of the villains in Sonic are not like Infinite, mostly because...they literraly just lose or they are incapacitated or something else happens, but they never really defeated Sonic.
man the previous villain before Infinite was Zavok and the deadly six...you know...the guys who lost?and i can continue with all the villains pre infinite.
and the previous ones are Erazor, king arthur and Merlina and Dark gaia and...well you get the idea.
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We don't have full context for the Infinite Super Neo thing, anyways, but as the uploader mentioned it was just an illusion. Assuming the illusion doesn't have feats if its own, I wouldn't scale it to Super anyways.
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What’s the problem with Neo Metal having “hype moments and aura” or whatever?
Fezzih_007
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I don't think so, like we also have this trope, and the boss fight could be we literally being unable to deal demage on him Infinite.
Does't help on how he acts after the fights, like he won by landslide and treating Sonic and the Avatar like they aren't worth to be killed by him, and then pulling a bond villain move, and leaving without killing his opponents.
Even trought we can kick his ass in the gameplay.
He kinda loses his aura a little.
Well, in my opinion Metal Sonic having so much aura in the fight animation, makes eggman looks bad, since him himself din't have cool moments like Metal Sonic.
He did very little, lol;
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HopelessBossFight
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we are not supposed to accept that illusions are as strong as their original versions (except that they lack souls, which just means they are not the real versions, which is obvious)
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Not the real one, it's a Phantom Ruby clone lol. Bro is stronger than the OG
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so does this make Infinite stronger or are we assuming (with no proof)that the phantom copies are weaker?
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Phantom Ruby will forever have some weird, stupid scaling tbh. How does the original Phantom Ruby lose to three base characters, yet a modified Prototype is contending with Super Sonic? Then you have this? Like, what IS this bullhocky?
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why can't just we just...accept that the characters can get into super tier level on base?
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I'm not saying base characters can't be Super tier, I'm saying that the Phantom Ruby's power feels a lil flip-floppy. One moment it needs a Super Form to beat, the next it only needs Base Forms to beat. That's what I'm saying. It can't make up its mind.
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maybe the Phantom Ruby is sentient and is delusional
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I almost said a very bad word.
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Forces is far from the worst Sonic game.
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the game is so incomplete it does not even make sense, the story is so...man, the story is the example of "concept good...execution bad", the comedy is where because i can't find it, the characters are at their worst (even Prime is better, PRIME)and the fights are just...man, no.
and off course, the very ******* confusing Ruby, does it warp reality?does it create illusions?does it alter the perception?all of this?
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Phantom Ruby illusions are as strong as the original (reason why Chaos 0 has a low 2-C key).
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Want an incomplete game? 06. People are trying to push that it's good or something cuz of recent events as well as P-06, but that wasn't the reality and isn't the reality. 06 is, by definition, an unfinished mess of a game that needed more time in the oven.
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Forces' sin was having high expectations but being abysmally nothing
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What if this illusion is stronger than the original trought? Like, the exception.
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Because he stole the show from the person whom the fight was actually about, and his glazers were extremely obnoxious.
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Metal Sonic is there too...and Metal Sonic is always meant to be equal to Sonic
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Why would this be the case other than Infinite downplay for no reason? Plus dude was absorbed into the Ruby (the same one this illusion sprung from) and this Ruby (the original) could vary between base and super form in Mania.
Fezzih_007
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I mean, the scaling would be kinda weird.
Like, since Infinite is basically dead (Or sealed in the phantom ruby) That means he could't be stronger than what he shown in forces, so the clone should be in the same level of power.
So what that could imply is:
Base Sonic (Forces) and Avatar >Infinite =<Super Shadow
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Don't yall love it when Sonic Scaling makes sense and is consistent?
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Infinite's power comes solely from the Ruby and he's sealed in the original one, which could already fight super forms. Don't see the problem.
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yes, but i also get the "INFINITE POWER GEMS"can do anything bullshit
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The Infinity Stones
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Meanwhile the canon:
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Unironically the funniest bit is it was already this. I mean, you have the Metal Sonic Armada from Superstars, and each of which on paper can evolve into SNM.
Then you have the various things that Eggman can do to create Clones, like his Cloning Ray from Fighters. Meaning he can make copies of SNM.
And now you have Infinite capable of generating his own SNM copies to fight for him.
Then you have the various things that Eggman can do to create Clones, like his Cloning Ray from Fighters. Meaning he can make copies of SNM.
And now you have Infinite capable of generating his own SNM copies to fight for him.
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Death Battle prolly still would have ignored it cuz they only use Speed Sim as supplemental material at best, but it’s nice Infinite is trying to beat the weak allegations
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Nibroc said that Super Neo was an illusion but in story the Super Neo and Infinite events can't take place at the same time since they're both about collecting and charging the emeralds or whatever, so I don't think its fair to say the Super Neo is the same one that fought Sonic in the previous event
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lowkey this is the best way to treat it cause speed sim is a ticking time bomb of Sega nuking it's canon status, but its also partly a "roblox is cringe!!!" thing I think
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That is almost certainly the case, because the Super Neo Metal Sonic we fight is made with the power of the Chaos Emeralds. As in, it was the real Metal, aided by Eggman, into going Super. Infinite's Super Neo is merely an illusion, making him entirely separate.
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Yes, we know Death Battle is biased and cherrypicks.
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Illusions are as strong as the originals, verbatim stated.
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