Gerard Valkyrie vs Saitama (20-15-0)

[Johner2133451]

Gerard Valkyrie

Gerard Valkyrie (ジェラルド・ヴァルキリー, Jerarudo Varukirī?) is a Quincy and a member of the Wandenreich's Sternritter with the designation "M" - The Miracle, as well as one of Yhwach's Schutzstaffel (親衛隊シュッツシュタッフェル, Shuttsushutafferu?, German for "Protective Echelon", Japanese for "Elite/Imperial...

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Saitama

Saitama (サイタマ?) is a human from Z-City who; through rigorous (sort of) training broke through his human limiters and achieved unbelievable strength and abilities. Never breaking a sweat, the name One Punch Man is fitting for the effortless wins Saitama has achieved through the series. Never...

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Both at their multi solar system key (Saitama being parallel)

Speed equalized

Fight takes place in Z City

LORE:
Upon recieving news from Askin in the hospital bed that he failed to retrieve the coupons from Saitama's place, Yhwach decides to send his strongest soldier, Gerard Valkyrie. While Saitama was watering his plants like usual, suddenly a giant figure appeared infront of Saitama and attempted to his home. Saitama cant let that happen so he has to fight the beast

Gerard: @Adam1396, @Johner2133451, @Apollonir.Scale, @Spectral69420, @Raito_Utopia, @CastoriceTheFifth, @Kazuma_kuwabara, @Specterxxxx, @Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye, @Wankbreaker @Infinite9Luck @Purgy @BestMGQScalerEver @GilverTheProtoAngelo, @kwelski, @Arency, @ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn, @ShinMaximillion, @Fezzih_007, @Dat_Dot

Saitama: @Arkansalter2, @Kachon123, @AigerTheKing, @Catbowtie, @Crobatman44, @MrTayman616, @EnderLord8, @Farfetchedx, @Ebihara, @LuffyRuffy46307 @Nierre @Robo432343 @Jaynic1, @Raiden38, @Myguy

Incon:

 

[Epiccheev]

Saitama has 0 ways to bypass mid-godly. Only wincon i can think for him here is BFR IF we assume Gerard would be unable to return to earth within solar system levels of distance.

 

[Johner2133451]

Saitama has 0 ways to bypass mid-godly. Only wincon i can think for him here is BFR IF we assume Gerard would be unable to return to earth within solar system levels of distance.

Gerard has a weakness that if you destroy the cross inside of him, his regen would turn useless



The main issue is Gerard's damage transferal which activates if Saitama damages his sword and Accelerated development (tho Saitama has his own so would counter)

 

[Arkansalter2]

Yeah so I'm pretty sure Saitama LS's diffs to hell and back and there is no way for Gerard to come back from BFR.

 

[Johner2133451]

Yeah so I'm pretty sure Saitama LS's diffs to hell and back and there is no way for Gerard to come back from BFR.

Gerard can attempt to block Saitama's punch with his sword. And if Saitama even slightly chips away Gerard's sword, he would get damage reflected

 

[Arkansalter2]

Gerard can attempt to block Saitama's punch with his sword. And if Saitama even slightly chips away Gerard's sword, he would get damage reflected

Okay but... nothing is stopping Saitama from grabbing Gerard and just chucking him into space.

 

[Johner2133451]

Okay but... nothing is stopping Saitama from grabbing Gerard and just chucking him into space.

Gerard has the miracle which makes the impossible into possible

• Probability Manipulation (Gerard can use The Miracle to make the impossible possible)

So if Saitama somehow bfrs him to space, Gerard's miracle would activate that would allow him to return to the battlefield

So Saitama needs to destroy the cross inside Gerard to beat him

 

[Arkansalter2]

So Saitama needs to destroy the cross inside Gerard to beat him

Saitama's punches can split people to pieces. Saitama can also eventually outskill and beat Garou who has genius+ intelligence. Saitama will find a way to split Gerard into pieces with a punch, Gerard would reform, Saitama would figure it out, and then do it again and crush the cross in order to actually kill him.

 

[Johner2133451]

Saitama's punches can split people to pieces. Saitama can also eventually outskill and beat Garou who has genius+ intelligence. Saitama will find a way to split Gerard into pieces with a punch, Gerard would reform, Saitama would figure it out, and then do it again and crush the cross in order to actually kill him.

But couldn't Gerard attempt to block Saitama's punches with his sword? He does that in character when fighting Kenpachi and got damage transferred to Ken himself

 

[Arkansalter2]

But couldn't Gerard attempt to block Saitama's punches with his sword? He does that in character when fighting Kenpachi and got damage transferred to Ken himself

Saitama > Garou when fighting. If he can outskill Garou, he'll most def outskill Gerard.

 

[Johner2133451]

Saitama > Garou when fighting. If he can outskill Garou, he'll most def outskill Gerard.

Well it would be hard since Saitama wont have prior knowledge on Gerard's weakness. And if Saitama shatters his sword on accident/intent, Saitama himself would shatter

 

[Arkansalter2]

Quick question, is Saitama in his post balding or parallel timeline key?
Post it in the OP whatever you answer.

 

[Johner2133451]

Quick question, is Saitama in his post balding or parallel timeline key?
Post it in the OP whatever you answer.

It's parallel

 

[Arkansalter2]

It's parallel

Euughhhh... couldn't he use Time Travel?

Saitama will most def figure out that if he damages Gerard's Sword and he gets damaged as well, he would most def try to avoid hitting it via Serious Side Hops. With that, he will, again, outskill and eventually BFR him to space.
If Gerard uses Miracle (in which I don't even know how it "makes the impossible possible"), Saitama would probably land a punch or two and split him to pieces. Gerard would reform but not before Saitama see's the cross and how it plays into his regen. So he would do it again and his time would crush the Cross before it does anything. Saitama defeated Garou, who can defeat Bang and can fight Blast. Saitama would outskill eventually.
Put me in for Saitama high diff. Not because of the fight, but because of how much it would take to put Gerard down permanently.

 

[Johner2133451]

Euughhhh... couldn't he use Time Travel?

Saitama will most def figure out that if he damages Gerard's Sword and he gets damaged as well, he would most def try to avoid hitting it via Serious Side Hops. With that, he will, again, outskill and eventually BFR him to space.
If Gerard uses Miracle (in which I don't even know how it "makes the impossible possible"), Saitama would probably land a punch or two and split him to pieces. Gerard would reform but not before Saitama see's the cross and how it plays into his regen. So he would do it again and his time would crush the Cross before it does anything. Saitama defeated Garou, who can defeat Bang and can fight Blast. Saitama would outskill eventually.
Put me in for Saitama high diff. Not because of the fight, but because of how much it would take to put Gerard down permanently.

Well it says in notes Saitama needs to be bloodlusted to use time travel (he's not here)

• It is unlikely for Saitama to use Time Travel unless he is bloodlusted

Also counted your vote

 

[DavidTPPM]

Saitama > Garou when fighting. If he can outskill Garou, he'll most def outskill Gerard.

Only if he's serious so he's not dilly dalling like usually. And even then him being more skilled than Garou isn't just him being Garou Pro Ultra 4K, they were pretty much tied until Saitama started to outgrow him and even then he couldn't avoid Garous punches and just powered through them.

From what I remember about Gerard that's still far more than enough to outskill him but yk, just pointing out he didn't just outskill Garou.

 

[Arkansalter2]

And even then him being more skilled than Garou isn't just him being Garou Pro Ultra 4K, they were pretty much tied until Saitama started to outgrow him and even then he couldn't avoid Garous punches and just powered through them.

So what's stopping Saitama from outgrowing Gerard?

 

[Johner2133451]

So what's stopping Saitama from outgrowing Gerard?

Gerard has his own accelerated development via the miracle

• Probability Manipulation (Gerard can use The Miracle to make the impossible possible)
• Reactive Power Level, Size Manipulation & Transformation (His power works by turning any and all damage, lethal included, into size and power)
  

They both would be on par in terms of stats

 

[DavidTPPM]

Also BFR is pretty out of character for Saitama. At least as a starting move without any prior knowledge. When he punched Garou into space it wasn't even an intentional attempt to BFR him but a side effect of Saitama overpowering Garou. I mean BFRing Garou would have literally been detrimental to Saitama so yeah

 

[Quangotjokes]

Also BFR is pretty out of character for Saitama. At least as a starting move without any prior knowledge. When he punched Garou into space it wasn't even an intentional attempt to BFR him but a side effect of Saitama overpowering Garou. I mean BFRing Garou would have literally been detrimental to Saitama so yeah

Saitama’s first punch on I.O sent Garou flying off of the moon lol

 

[DavidTPPM]

Saitama’s first punch on I.O sent Garou flying off of the moon lol

Yes that's what I said. He didn't grab Garou and throw him outside of the galaxy, his punch sent him flying few kilometers away as a side effect.

And there's a massive difference between purposely BFRing someone several light years away with LS and accidentally blasting someone few km with your punch

 

[AigerTheKing]

Gerard has his own accelerated development via the miracle

• Probability Manipulation (Gerard can use The Miracle to make the impossible possible)
• Reactive Power Level, Size Manipulation & Transformation (His power works by turning any and all damage, lethal included, into size and power)

They both would be on par in terms of stats

Saitama outskills + Destroy the cross + GGs

 

[Kachon123]

If the S-Class heroes were capable of identifying and targeting Melzalgald’s regeneration core, I have zero doubt that Saitama, who is arguably more experienced in fighting monsters than anyone else in the series, could do the same, likely faster and with far greater efficiency.

When it comes to Gerard, his RPL allows him to grow stronger in response to damage, but AFAIK, that growth primarily enhances his raw strength, size, and durability—not his speed or reaction time (feel free to correct me if I’m wrong). That’s a vulnerability. The moment Saitama senses a real threat or even gets mildly serious, his reflexes and speed jump to absurd levels beyond what opponents like Garou can even comprehend.

Once Saitama is stimulated, it turns into a speed blitz. Gerard doesn’t get the luxury of adapting gradually or escalating over time. Saitama’s escalation isn’t linear—it’s exponential. And it only takes a couple serious punches to end the fight. Regeneration becomes irrelevant if the core is destroyed before it can activate.

Voting Saitama.

 

[Johner2133451]

If the S-Class heroes were capable of identifying and targeting Melzalgald’s regeneration core, I have zero doubt that Saitama, who is arguably more experienced in fighting monsters than anyone else in the series, could do the same, likely faster and with far greater efficiency.

When it comes to Gerard, his RPL allows him to grow stronger in response to damage, but AFAIK, that growth primarily enhances his raw strength, size, and durability—not his speed or reaction time (feel free to correct me if I’m wrong). That’s a vulnerability. The moment Saitama senses a real threat or even gets mildly serious, his reflexes and speed jump to absurd levels beyond what opponents like Garou can even comprehend.

Once Saitama is stimulated, it turns into a speed blitz. Gerard doesn’t get the luxury of adapting gradually or escalating over time. Saitama’s escalation isn’t linear—it’s exponential. And it only takes a couple serious punches to end the fight. Regeneration becomes irrelevant if the core is destroyed before it can activate.

Voting Saitama.

As for increasing speed, Gerard has his probability manipulation which makes the impossible into possible

 

[AigerTheKing]

Saitama FRA as well

 

[Kachon123]

As for increasing speed, Gerard has his probability manipulation which makes the impossible into possible

Cool That's extremely vague.

 

[Johner2133451]

Cool That's extremely vague.

Wdym by vague? It's on the profile

• Probability Manipulation (Gerard can use The Miracle to make the impossible possible)

 

[MrTayman616]

Wdym by vague? It's on the profile

• Probability Manipulation (Gerard can use The Miracle to make the impossible possible)

So Outer level allies from Marvel Comics will come to help him and resurrect him when he dies?

 

[Kachon123]

"Make the impossible possible" is vague and does not mean that you can survive, resist, or reverse a blitz.

 

[Johner2133451]

So Outer level allies from Marvel Comics will come to help him and resurrect him when he dies?

"Make the impossible possible" is vague and does not mean that you can survive, resist, or reverse a blitz.

It's probability manipulation which Saitama doesn't have resists to it

So Gerard can simply just perceive "it would take a miracle to keep up with Saitama in terms of speed" and his ability would activate to compete with Saitama

 

[Adam1396]

Whole OPM can not deal with mid godly.

Gerard's cross can not be destroyed by conventional and physical means or it has regenerative properties like hogyoku. If spatial manipulation, durability negation, powernull, AZ failed to destroy it. What makes you think saitama can destroy it?

 

[Kachon123]

It's probability manipulation which Saitama doesn't have resists to it

So Gerard can simply just perceive "it would take a miracle to keep up with Saitama in terms of speed" and his ability would activate to compete with Saitama

Yeah okay bro I'll wait for real arguments

 

[AigerTheKing]

Gerard's cross can not be destroyed by conventional and physical means or it has regenerative properties like hogyoku. If spatial manipulation, durability negation, powernull, AZ failed to destroy it. What makes you think saitama can destroy it?

Prove this

 

[MrTayman616]

It's probability manipulation which Saitama doesn't have resists to it

So Gerard can simply just perceive "it would take a miracle to keep up with Saitama in terms of speed" and his ability would activate to compete with Saitama

There is no such things as "It's probability manipulation so that's it"

There should be examples of usage so it can be determined at what level it works. "If it's impossible for him to beat Saitama, it will happen as he can make impossible possible?" etc. That's why it's vague rn

Whole OPM can not deal with mid godly.

Gerard's cross can not be destroyed by conventional and physical means or it has regenerative properties like hogyoku. If spatial manipulation, durability negation, powernull, AZ failed to destroy it. What makes you think saitama can destroy it?

Hit it really hard

 

[Adam1396]

Hit it really hard

Negged things lot better than just hitting hard.

 

[DavidTPPM]

If the S-Class heroes were capable of identifying and targeting Melzalgald’s regeneration core, I have zero doubt that Saitama, who is arguably more experienced in fighting monsters than anyone else in the series, could do the same, likely faster and with far greater efficiency.

Okay but Malzagald was fodder af. Gerard is unimaginably more haxxed and powerful so this really doesn't apply.

I mean even PPP was absolutely shredding him into pieces and it was like a 5v1, that sure as hell isn't the same as Saitama 1v1ing someone who'd be relative to his stats, is liek 50 meters tall, and can reflect damage.

When it comes to Gerard, his RPL allows him to grow stronger in response to damage, but AFAIK, that growth primarily enhances his raw strength, size, and durability—not his speed or reaction time (feel free to correct me if I’m wrong). That’s a vulnerability. The moment Saitama senses a real threat or even gets mildly serious, his reflexes and speed jump to absurd levels beyond what opponents like Garou can even comprehend.

When exactly did that happen? Garou was still tagging Saitama after his exponential growth kicked in, hence why we don't use the graph to upscale his speed. As far as I'm aware Saitama only grows in speed during near death situations.

And it only takes a couple serious punches to end the fight.

Sure as hell didn't take a couple punches with Garou. Saitama could run hundreds of thousands of kilometers around Io and trade countless blows with Garou before his power even began noticeably growing and his speed was still seemingly at the same level. His EG takes a solid while to kick in.

You're really overselling Saitama’s speed amps without addressing how is he avoiding damaging Gerards sword or miracles passive manifestation bs

 

[MrTayman616]

Garou was still tagging Saitama after his exponential growth kicked in, hence why we don't use the graph to upscale his speed

This is cap if you ask me. Garou got attacked throughtout the entire IO before he actually did a move to escape (even failed that) and we call this keeping up?

After started copying him, he was copying him instantly literally after each punches which is why he was able to keep up there.

Garou was still tagging Saitama after his exponential growth kicked in, hence why we don't use the graph to upscale his speed.

Saitama's Growth > Garou's growth. It should be superior to Garou's growth that was capable of reaching blitz and one shot level speed against Platinum Sperm after 0.0013 second.

As far as I'm aware Saitama only grows in speed during near death situations.

Garou would surpass him in terms of speed if that were to be the case as it is known that Garou grows in speed in at an extraordinary rate.

 

[Kachon123]

When exactly did that happen? Garou was still tagging Saitama after his exponential growth kicked in, hence why we don't use the graph to upscale his speed. As far as I'm aware Saitama only grows in speed during near death situations.

Look over the omnidirectional serious punch sequence.

Sure as hell didn't take a couple punches with Garou. Saitama could run hundreds of thousands of kilometers around Io and trade countless blows with Garou before his power even began noticeably growing and his speed was still seemingly at the same level. His EG takes a solid while to kick in.

Are you going to prove this... or?

 

[Kachon123]

Negged things lot better than just hitting hard.

Saitama can go into the past and one-shot it

 

[DavidTPPM]

This is cap if you ask me. Garou got attacked throughtout the entire IO before he actually did a move to escape (even failed that) and we call this keeping up?

He was tagging Garou because he confused him not because he was blitzing him.

He was literally replicating Garou attacking from all directions.

After started copying him, he was copying him instantly literally after each punches which is why he was able to keep up there.

So? That would only work if Saitama was jumping in power instead of constantly growing and even then Garou still dodged his sneeze and tagged him with a punch after Saitama grew so much above Garou that he couldn't even percieve his strength anymore.

We literally don't accept Saitama as exponentially growing in speed there, this really isn't up for discussion. At least not in this thread.

Saitama's Growth > Garou's growth. It should be superior to Garou's growth that was capable of reaching blitz and one shot level speed against Platinum Sperm after 0.0013 second.

The timeframe is irrelevant, what matters is how much they could move in that timeframe. Because speed equalized will make it proportionally slower.

Meaning if Garou could jump around and clash with PS 5000x then Gerard would be also able to do so before Garou were to outgrow him.

Garou would surpass him in terms of speed if that were to be the case as it is known that Garou grows in speed in an extraordinary rate.

Yeah compared to a regular human, not compared to the Garous own speed.