Askin vs Gojo (2-1-0)

[Johner2133451]

Askin Nakk Le Vaar

Askin Nakk Le Vaar (アスキン・ナックルヴァール, Asukin Nakkuruvāru?) is a Quincy and a member of the Wandenreich's Sternritter with the designation "D" - "The Deathdealing", as well as one of Yhwach's Schutzstaffel (親衛隊シュッツシュタッフェル, Shuttsushutafferu?) German for "Protective Echelon", Japanese for...

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Satoru Gojo

Satoru Gojo (五ご条じょう 悟さとる, Gojō Satoru?) is one of the main protagonists of the Jujutsu Kaisen series. He is a Special Grade Jujutsu Sorcerer who is widely recognized as the strongest of the Modern Era. Satoru is the pride of the Gojo Family, being the first person to inherit both Limitless and...

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Speed Equalized

Askin starts at base

Askin: @TOAAPRESENCE1, @Im_Fire444
Gojo: @Crobatman44
Incon:

 

[Arkansalter2]

Askin can't touch him.
UV + GG's.

 

[Johner2133451]

Askin can't touch him.
UV + GG's.

Askin can use his gift bad which poisons everything in an area which effects oxygen and reishi (soul)

 

[Arkansalter2]

Askin can use his gift bad which poisons everything in an area which effects oxygen and reishi (souls)

The poison can't touch him.

 

[Johner2133451]

The poison can't touch him.

Pretty sure it would effect the oxygen/hydrogen surrounding Gojo which Gojo needs to breathe in

 

[Arkansalter2]

Pretty sure it would effect the oxygen/hydrogen surrounding Gojo which Gojo needs to breathe in

From the JJK wiki: The invisible barrier created by the Infinity can be expanded to keep harmful substances away from the user, or to overpower someone by increasing its output.
So unfortunately, not even the air is gonna be touching him.

 

[Johner2133451]

From the JJK wiki: The invisible barrier created by the Infinity can be expanded to keep harmful substances away from the user, or to overpower someone by increasing its output.
So unfortunately, not even the air is gonna be touching him.

Well if Askin fails to effect Gojo with poison, he can turn into his Vollstandig form which grants passive reactive evolution/adaptation that makes him immune to whatever abilities Gojo has

Passive Reactive Evolution & Limited Invulnerability (Askin can manipulate Lethal Dosage's to gain an immunity to any attack or Reiatsu he has been subjected to. This immunity is so comprehensive that the attack is not able to even harm him. Askin's body reflexively analyzes an attack and his opponent and begins to grant him immunity towards them. Askin can gain immunity to his opponent and their attack in a single minute)

 

[Arkansalter2]

Well if Askin fails to effect Gojo with poison, he can turn into his Vollstandig form which grants passive reactive evolution/adaptation that makes him immune to whatever abilities Gojo has

UV is not really an attack. It's more so just a domain that remains the opponent in a catatonic, helpless state.

 

[Johner2133451]

UV is not really an attack. It's more so just a domain that remains the opponent in a catatonic, helpless state.

I'm not really focused on UV since it's something Gojo use in a much later scenario (he in character would perform punches or Red/Blue first)

I'm more focused on Askin would adapting to infinity

 

[Arkansalter2]

I'm more focused on Askin would adapting to infinity

He's not adapting to stuff that isn't an attack. Sure, he might adapt to some limitless attacks like the colors (Blue, Red, Purple) or let alone get damaged by them at all.

But Infinity is just a barrier that doesn't allow anything to touch Gojo, no matter how close they get.
Nothing is stopping Gojo from realizing that once Askin can't be damaged by whatever Gojo is throwing at him, he'll just pop UV and it'll be GGs.

 

[Johner2133451]

He's not adapting to stuff that isn't an attack. Sure, he might adapt to some limitless attacks like the colors (Blue, Red, Purple) or let alone get damaged by them at all.

But Infinity is just a barrier that doesn't allow anything to touch Gojo, no matter how close they get.
Nothing is stopping Gojo from realizing that once Askin can't be damaged by whatever Gojo is throwing at him, he'll just pop UV and it'll be GGs.

Actually once he got attacked once, he will start the adaptation and gain immunity to all of opponents abilities (Arc explained it better)

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[Arkansalter2]

So this is a mismatch then. Screw off.

 

[Johner2133451]

So this is a mismatch then. Screw off.

Askin can only do it if he goes into the volstandig form. He's at base currently

Both his form and Gojo's UV are last resorts

 

[TheRustyOne]

Askin can only do it if he goes into the volstandig form. He's at base currently

He became immune to Yushiro's attacks in his base. Which is the reason you just posted.

 

[Johner2133451]

He became immune to Yushiro's attacks in his base. Which is the reason you just posted.

Wouldn't it takes a minute? So a while

 

[TheRustyOne]

Wouldn't it takes a minute? So a while

I'm not really focused on UV since it's something Gojo use in a much later scenario (he in character would perform punches or Red/Blue first)

You claimed Gojo wouldn't use UV until much later. Are you retracting this statement?

I'm going to assume you don't mean a literal minute, because no it does not take a minute for him to use his powers.

 

[Johner2133451]

You claimed Gojo wouldn't use UV until much later. Are you retracting this statement?

I'm going to assume you don't mean a literal minute, because no it does not take a minute for him to use his powers.

A minute would take a while for Gojo since Gojo would throw punches or Red/Blue first and then may perform domain if attacks doesn't work

 

[Crobatman44]

Voting Gojo,i can't see Askin ever winning.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

askin, his abilities are AOE and can affect things like the air which is something gojo needs, he is also very durable and can adapt to gojos cursed energy if he is hit with it.

 

[Johner2133451]

askin, his abilities are AOE and can affect things like the air which is something gojo needs, he is also very durable and can adapt to gojos cursed energy if he is hit with it.

you voting him?

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

you voting him?

askin, yes.

 

[Apotheosis69]

So… because Askin has soo much Spiritual Power. He just Power Nullifies Gojo's abilities..


What can Gojo do against that?

Limited Power Nullification (Reiryoku can null the abilities and techniques of those massively weaker than the user)

Deadass looks like an Absolute Stomp for Askin

 

[Johner2133451]

So… because Askin has soo much Spiritual Power. He just Power Nullifies Gojo's abilities..


What can Gojo do against that?



Deadass looks like an Absolute Stomp for Askin

I think it only applies to shinigamis as Aizen said "soul reaper battles"

Otherwise, Ichigo would be immune to Askin poison hax

 

[Apotheosis69]

I think it only applies to shinigamis as Aizen said "soul reaper battles"

Reiryoku is a Universal Energy System, so it would apply. Aizen said "Soul Reaper battles", because it fits in the context of the situation

Otherwise, Ichigo would be immune to Askin poison hax

Moments like that, like most things in Bleach, is unfortunate Plot-Induced Stupidity.

 

[Johner2133451]

Reiryoku is a Universal Energy System, so it would apply. Aizen said "Soul Reaper battles", because it fits in the context of the situation


Moments like that, like most things in Bleach, is unfortunate Plot-Induced Stupidity.

It's UES yeah but the powernull effects can only be utilized by shinigamis. Like how shinigami/hollows has soul crush while quincies dont. Also wouldn't powernulling Gojo's mind manip that's stacked with info hax is kinda nlf?

I think it's just Kubo wanting the quincies to be powerful but in another direction like haxes, not simply overcomed by power like what Dragon Ball does. Another example would be plot arrow, even though Uryu doesn't have relative spiritual pressure to Yhwach (also was stated that his ability antithesis can counter Yhwach's almighty)

 

[Duedate8898]

The actual issue isn't even that shinigami would only be able to use it, as by all rights, everyone should be able to do it as long as they're using the system. The problem is that Askin just doesn't do power nulling his opponents powers in character. There is no reason to assume he'd just choose to nullify Gojo's infinity as Aizen proved himself in his fight with Soi Fon that knowledge of this ability isn't something everyone knows of.

 

[Im_Fire444]

I will vote Askin here

 

[Apotheosis69]

Aizen proved himself in his fight with Soi Fon that knowledge of this ability isn't something everyone knows of.

Where is this stated? Or is it just implied by everyone's reaction/expression in the moment.

Edit: Cus even Zaraki, back at the Soul Society Arc (who has very little knowledge about utilizing Spiritual Power throughout the entire series "until TYBW ofc", even less so during said Soul Society arc, early on in the story) when fighting Ichigo talked about higher Reiryoku and its effects takes all priority over the lower one.

 

[Duedate8898]

Where is this stated? Or is it just implied by everyone's reaction/expression in the moment.

Where is it stated everyone knows this techinque? It's implied by Aizen having to reveal this to her in the first place and everyone's surprise at it

 

[Apotheosis69]

It's UES yeah but the powernull effects can only be utilized by shinigamis. Like how shinigami/hollows has soul crush while quincies dont. Also wouldn't powernulling Gojo's mind manip that's stacked with info hax is kinda nlf?

Nothing proves it can Only be utilized by Soul Reapers, its just "shown" so by Soul Reapers in the series. And it's not NLF, because in this case it's not like its nullifying something that is of a completely higher caliber than it.

I think it's just Kubo wanting the quincies to be powerful but in another direction like haxes, not simply overcomed by power like what Dragon Ball does. Another example would be plot arrow, even though Uryu doesn't have relative spiritual pressure to Yhwach (also was stated that his ability antithesis can counter Yhwach's almighty)

I completely understand Kubo showcasing the power/hax of the Quincies/Stern Ritter, and I'm not giving him blame per se in this case. But unfortunately he just shot himself in the foot. With the Reiryoku/Reiatsu neg.

 

[Apotheosis69]

Where is it stated everyone knows this techinque? It's implied by Aizen having to reveal this to her in the first place and everyone's surprise at it

Just edited my message as you just put that one of yours there. Just in case.

As of your message in of itself, I honestly think that whole instance of Aizen explaining it, and then the characters surprise. Is honestly quite OOC, cus even Zaraki knowing about it, but also a sort of symbology of the audience and its own reaction to the whole situation. If you completely disagree with that, that's completely understandable

 

[Johner2133451]

Nothing proves it can Only be utilized by Soul Reapers, its just "shown" so by Soul Reapers in the series. And it's not NLF, because in this case it's not like its nullifying something that is of a completely higher caliber than it.


I completely understand Kubo showcasing the power/hax of the Quincies/Stern Ritter, and I'm not giving him blame per se in this case. But unfortunately he just shot himself in the foot. With the Reiryoku/Reiatsu neg.

Well not just shown, but also stated as well. No other instances which Askin and Uryu proved

Powernulling soi fon's hax pretty sure not as strong as Gojo's unlimited void that can fry your brain with infinite information

 

[Apotheosis69]

Well not just shown, but also stated as well. No other instances which Askin and Uryu proved

Stated by? And what did Askin and Uryu prove to that? Genuinely curious, cus I'm not aware

Powernulling soi fon's hax pretty sure not as strong as Gojo's unlimited void that can fry your brain with infinite information

I mean, when Aizen nullified literal Existence Erasure. That's quite an enormous bar. Far more than Information Manipulation Type 1

 

[Johner2133451]

Stated by? And what did Askin and Uryu prove to that? Genuinely curious, cus I'm not aware

I mean, when Aizen nullified literal Existence Erasure. That's quite an enormous bar. Far more than Information Manipulation Type 1

Aizen only stated a soul reaper battles. There's no indications it would work on other races. Askin effected Ichigo, Uryu effected SK Yhwach and Pernida effected Kenpachi

Pretty sure both are equal since Gojo's UV can put infinite information inside souls

 

[Apotheosis69]

Aizen only stated a soul reaper battles. There's no indications it would work on other races. Askin effected Ichigo, Uryu effected SK Yhwach and Pernida effected Kenpachi

As I've said, he said Soul Reaper because it fits the context of the fight. And as before, all PIS.

Pretty sure both are equal since Gojo's UV can put infinite information inside souls

Not really, infinite concurring information is nothing compared to literal Existence Erasure, getting rid of something entirely from existence. And also, Gojo's Unlimited Void should have Soul Manipulation removed. Because, it was physically affected Sukuna's brain, but Sukuna HIMSELF transferred that damage to Megumi's soul, as shown in his page. It was Sukuna that did the Soul stuff, not Gojo.

I'm way too busy to do a CRT for it btw, in case you're wondering.

 

[Johner2133451]

As I've said, he said Soul Reaper because it fits the context of the fight. And as before, all PIS.


Not really, infinite concurring information is nothing compared to literal Existence Erasure, getting rid of something entirely from existence. And also, Gojo's Unlimited Void should have Soul Manipulation removed. Because, it was physically affected Sukuna's brain, but Sukuna HIMSELF transferred that damage to Megumi's soul, as shown in his page. It was Sukuna that did the Soul stuff, not Gojo.

I'm way too busy to do a CRT for it btw, in case you're wondering.

Thats the only statement regarding how powernull works. It's not PIS if it's consistent multiple times

Ok but this versus match, gojo still has soul hax unless you get a CRT accepted