MCU 9-A Characters Upgrades

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[Lonkitt]

As his gauntlets scale to characters on Captain America's level, that means that Crossbones on his own (and by extension, basically all other peak human characters including Sam Wilson, who briefly fought with and took hits from Rumlow despite being at a disadvantage) should scale to a tenth of the 1.232 ton value used for Super Soldiers, so 0.1232 tons for peak humans (Still 9-A, but notably higher than their current value) This is extremely close to baseline 9-A+ (0.1275 tons) so anyone who notably upscales from 9-A peak humans (which should include the likes of Jessica Jones and She-Hulk among others) should be able to upscale to 9-A+, as it would only be a 1.035x increase.

Regarding this, I just thought I'd give my two cents on how this would actually look in application (ignoring She-Hulk since she recently got a major upgrade so she isn't relevant here)

Guys like Falcon, Ant-Man, Hawkeye, Daredevil, and Iron Fist would be 9-A, just at a higher value now of course

Jessica Jones and Black Sky Elektra would be 9-A+ for the reasons stated in the OP (Jessica Jones could one-shot Iron Fist and members of the Hand, as well as tank hits from The Hand's members. Meanwhile, Black Sky Elektra is stronger than Jessica Jones and could body Matt and Danny)

I'd say Pre-Second Bath Luke Cage should be "At least 9-A+" since he's made out to be stronger than Jessica Jones, to an even greater degree than Black Sky Elektra was. That's just my recommendation for him though

Nobu's a case where he does seem generally superior than Matt and normal Elektra, but not so much to where he's worthy of 9-A+ IMO. Its more so a skill thing in his case

 

[Renitr]

Nobu's a case where he does seem generally superior than Matt

Didn't Matt defeat Nobu in their final fight in Daredevil season 2?

 

[Lonkitt]

Didn't Matt defeat Nobu in their final fight in Daredevil season 2?

Indeed he did. Nobu was still a serious threat, but it was just a case of him being really skilled rather than outright having greater AP.

When I say Nobu was "generally superior" I should've clarified that I was referring to him as a fighter. For most of his appearances, he's ahead of Matt and Elektra, but Matt came out on top in their final bout

Just a matter of skill, not AP stuff

 

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About how this CRT would change Talokanil scaling, should we have them be "At least 9-A+" or "At least 9-A+, possibly 8-C+" since Nate Moore considers them to be "sort of" at that level

 

[Dinobot1996]

About how this CRT would change Talokanil scaling, should we have them be "At least 9-A+" or "At least 9-A+, possibly 8-C+" since Nate Moore considers them to be "sort of" at that level

It's tricky to say for sure. Shuri as Black Panther only really got to attack Talokanil that were trying to climb the Sea Leopard and weren't exactly in the best position to fight back. M'Baku was also capable of harming them with his knobkerrie.

 

[Lacku]

It's tricky to say for sure. Shuri as Black Panther only really got to attack Talokanil that were trying to climb the Sea Leopard and weren't exactly in the best position to fight back. M'Baku was also capable of harming them with his knobkerrie.

M'Baku's knobkerrie being made of Jabari wood might be a good enough justification for it being able to harm super soldier level characters. Still I don't think they should fully scale just yet, a possibly at most.

 

[Reiner04]

This is fine.

 

[Dinobot1996]

M'Baku's knobkerrie being made of Jabari wood might be a good enough justification for it being able to harm super soldier level characters. Still I don't think they should fully scale just yet, a possibly at most.

I suppose the knobkerrie being able to harm characters around that level wouldn't be without precedent, as M'Baku did use it to beat down an Outrider during Infinity War.

 

[Dereck03]

Seems fine.

 

[Lonkitt]

This thread is over 48 hours old, so the revisions can be made now since we have two staff approvals

 

[Lonkitt]

Also, Dinobot, did you want any assistance with the page edits? I kinda got some free time to assist with that

 

[Dinobot1996]

Also, Dinobot, did you want any assistance with the page edits? I kinda got some free time to assist with that

I haven't personally edited pages myself in a long time, so I'd definitely appreciate anyone stepping in to deal with that part.

 

[Lonkitt]

I haven't personally edited pages myself in a long time, so I'd definitely appreciate anyone stepping in to deal with that part.

Alright, I'll get on that. Hopefully I can make this coherent

I think I'll add one of those scaling value note things pages are doing nowadays just in case the scaling back to Crossbones' new value isn't too clear for people

 

[Lonkitt]

Okay the majority of the 9-A pages that needed HUGE overhauls for 9-A justifications and were essentially the crux of 9-A scaling have had the revisions applied. There's a few stragglers I can cover in the morning (its getting late), but for now, most 9-As in the verse have their new justifications + values listed

Kang is not beating the potential man allegations, his ass gets outlifted by like EVERY 9-A in the verse LMAOOOOOO

 

[Lacku]

Okay the majority of the 9-A pages that needed HUGE overhauls for 9-A justifications and were essentially the crux of 9-A scaling have had the revisions applied. There's a few stragglers I can cover in the morning (its getting late), but for now, most 9-As in the verse have their new justifications + values listed

Kang is not beating the potential man allegations, his ass gets outlifted by like EVERY 9-A in the verse LMAOOOOOO

The way him and Ant-Man both have justifications for Class 5 LS but I’m not making a CRT just yet because it’s funny to have Kang be a jobber

 

[Lonkitt]

The way him and Ant-Man both have justifications for Class 5 LS but I’m not making a CRT just yet because it’s funny to have Kang be a jobber

Kang: MODOK!!! Help me!!! This is MCU Jigsaw we’re dealing with here…..

 

[Lonkitt]

I've applied everything except the Skrull values. I'm just a bit confused by the higher with transformation thing. I didn't watch Secret Invasion, so I'm unsure how that scaling comes into play

 

[Lonkitt]

@Dinobot1996 Also, what value exactly are we scaling the Hammer Drones to?

 

[Dinobot1996]

I've applied everything except the Skrull values. I'm just a bit confused by the higher with transformation thing. I didn't watch Secret Invasion, so I'm unsure how that scaling comes into play

As a Super-Skrull, Gravik's ability to transform his arms to have Groot's powers allowed him to tear through regular Skrulls (who could temporarily give Gravik trouble in a group), and also seemingly demonstrated better piercing durability against bullets compared to untransformed parts of his body (though Extremis could just regenerate that damage) Really, his profile might need further revisions (including a second key) in the future, as he (and G'iah for that matter) only gains access to the vast majority of the transformations listed on the profile in the final episode.

@Dinobot1996 Also, what value exactly are we scaling the Hammer Drones to?

For durability, I figured that the average (5.02 kg) of the BGM-71 warhead weight ranges (3.9-6.14 kg) would be a reasonable assumption to scale them to unless people voiced a preference for the low or high ends specifically. I think that would just barely get above baseline 9-A. Their AP would probably be something like "9-B to 9-A with regular weapons", as it's specifically the Army Drones with both the statement of having the firepower of a tank, and the feat of shooting down other drones.

 

[Dalesean027]

OP seems fine

 

[Lonkitt]

As a Super-Skrull, Gravik's ability to transform his arms to have Groot's powers allowed him to tear through regular Skrulls (who could temporarily give Gravik trouble in a group), and also seemingly demonstrated better piercing durability against bullets compared to untransformed parts of his body (though Extremis could just regenerate that damage) Really, his profile might need further revisions (including a second key) in the future, as he (and G'iah for that matter) only gains access to the vast majority of the transformations listed on the profile in the final episode.

So how would you recommend the new justifications for G'iah and Gravik be formatted?


Kang: Pleeease, Jessica, I neeeeed this! You're kinda too strong...my glazers are struggling to back me up

Jessica Jones:

MODOK: Jessica, I'm watching your stream right now, why you trying not to laugh bruh, thats disrespectful as ****

 

[Dinobot1996]

So how would you recommend the new justifications for G'iah and Gravik are listed?

For now, Gravik's AP should probably be something along the lines of:

Attack Potency: Small Building level+ (Overpowered normal Skrulls, who are 15 percent stronger than humans, and can overpower Nick Fury, as well as hold their own against and take hits from Captain Marvel), higher with Transformation (Oneshot Pagon by using Groot's powers. Flew G'iah up to the clouds after using the Harvest and traded blows with her before being killed)

G'iah's would probaby be something like:

Attack Potency: Small Building level+ (Skrulls are 15 percent stronger than humans, and can overpower Nick Fury, as well as hold their own against and take hits from Captain Marvel. Easily overpowered and defeated Maria Hill), higher with Transformation (Traded blows with Gravik after using the Harvest and eventually killed him)

Revisions to the profiles more extensive than that would probably need their own thread to be handled.

 

[Lonkitt]

For now, Gravik's AP should probably be something along the lines of:

Attack Potency: Small Building level+ (Overpowered normal Skrulls, who are 15 percent stronger than humans, and can overpower Nick Fury, as well as hold their own against and take hits from Captain Marvel), higher with Transformation (Oneshot Pagon by using Groot's powers. Flew G'iah up to the clouds after using the Harvest and traded blows with her before being killed)

G'iah's would probaby be something like:

Attack Potency: Small Building level+ (Skrulls are 15 percent stronger than humans, and can overpower Nick Fury, as well as hold their own against and take hits from Captain Marvel. Easily overpowered and defeated Maria Hill), higher with Transformation (Traded blows with Gravik after using the Harvest and eventually killed him)

Thank you

Leave this to me

 

[Lonkitt]

For durability, I figured that the average (5.02 kg) of the BGM-71 warhead weight ranges (3.9-6.14 kg) would be a reasonable assumption to scale them to unless people voiced a preference for the low or high ends specifically. I think that would just barely get above baseline 9-A. Their AP would probably be something like "9-B to 9-A with regular weapons", as it's specifically the Army Drones with both the statement of having the firepower of a tank, and the feat of shooting down other drones.

Okay, so the Skrull tiers (Gravik, G'iah, Nick Fury, etc.) have all had their pages edited

I just need to handle the Hammer Drones to wrap this up. Any suggestions on how to phrase their AP justifications?

 

[Dinobot1996]

Okay, so the Skrull tiers (Gravik, G'iah, Nick Fury, etc.) have all had their pages edited

I just need to handle the Hammer Drones to wrap this up. Any suggestions on how to phrase their AP justifications?

Probably something like:

Attack Potency: Wall level (Can deal this much damage) to Small Building level (Army Drones are stated to have the firepower of a tank, and can shoot down other drones) with regular weapons, Small Building level with self-destruction

Durability: Small Building level (Are equipped with Chobham plated armor built to withstand anti-tank rounds, which should include the BGM-71, which has a warhead weight between 3.9-6.14 kg, averaging to 5.02 kg)

 

[Revan_Laha]

Seems fine