MCU Phase 5 General Discussion Thread

[Raincutter]

Not at all. This isn't enough to support that idea

that's true, the Odinforce would likely have made it as strong as needed for his use

 

[darkphantom9805]

Not at all. This isn't enough to support that idea

How? If Odin made it for himself then it has to scale to him lol it’s like saying odins armor wouldn’t scale to him despite also making that for himself to wear

 

[darkphantom9805]

that's true, the Odinforce would likely have made it as strong as needed for his use

The hammer doesn’t have the Odin force infused in it until he enchanted it himself things like his armor exists which means they can forge Odin tier weapons

 

[Lonkitt]

How? If Odin made it for himself then it has to scale to him lol it’s like saying odins armor wouldn’t scale to him despite also making that for himself to wear

Dawg that is not remotely the same thing

 

[darkphantom9805]

Dawg that is not remotely the same thing

Yes it is He made the weapon with his strength in mind since he was using it before he passed it down to his daughter

 

[darkphantom9805]

Someone call SpiderMan to come handle this fool

 

[sanicspood]

"spiderman"

 

[Lonkitt]

Rewatching the Defenders Saga has made me realize most of the MCU's best villains are hiding in the Netflix shows NGL

 

[Dinobot1996]

It's thanks to the Netflix shows that there's canonically more than three named characters currently imprisoned in the Raft

 

[Lonkitt]

It's thanks to the Netflix shows that there's canonically more than three named characters currently imprisoned in the Raft

The Raft gets mentioned more in Jessica Jones than it ever does in the films LMAO

 

[Dinobot1996]

Thus far, the Raft has only appeared on-screen in two movies and one show. Maybe if more villains stayed alive it'd be more relevant...

 

[Lonkitt]

Maybe if more villains stayed alive it'd be more relevant...

 

[LMalone22]

I have a question if all abilities of the tesseract are accepted as 5-B, then will characters who have fought it like Dr Strange who used matter manipulation to change black hole from the tesseract that Thanos created to attack him be upgraded to 5-B?

 

[Dinobot1996]

I brought it up a few months ago, but I'll bring it up again now that full 5-B Tesseract scaling is accepted (and to replace a video link): I still think the best argument for scaling high tiers to the Tesseract would be through Captain Marvel, and assuming that she grew more powerful between the 1990s and the events of Endgame.

In 2014, Korath considered Thanos to be the most powerful being in the universe, which Ronan only declared was no longer the case after he decided to take control of the Power Stone. This is despite the fact that both Korath and Ronan were already aware of Captain Marvel for years by this point, with Ronan having seemingly considered her to be a superior weapon compared to the Tesseract as of 1995.

Captain Marvel was also testing the full extent of her powers at that point when she fought the Kree fleet:

This seemingly suggests the following scaling chain: Captain Marvel (Endgame)>Thanos>Captain Marvel (1990s)>Tesseract

 

[Lacku]

It's thanks to the Netflix shows that there's canonically more than three named characters currently imprisoned in the Raft

Stuff like this makes it genuinely so confusing to me that Kevin Feige for the longest while was so dead set on trying to decanonise the Netflix shows when they basically gave him a fully fleshed out street level side of his universe for free. The MCU as a verse would literally have less depth without it.

 

[Raincutter]

I brought it up a few months ago, but I'll bring it up again now that full 5-B Tesseract scaling is accepted (and to replace a video link): I still think the best argument for scaling high tiers to the Tesseract would be through Captain Marvel, and assuming that she grew more powerful between the 1990s and the events of Endgame.

In 2014, Korath considered Thanos to be the most powerful being in the universe, which Ronan only declared was no longer the case after he decided to take control of the Power Stone. This is despite the fact that both Korath and Ronan were already aware of Captain Marvel for years by this point, with Ronan having seemingly considered her to be a superior weapon compared to the Tesseract as of 1995.

Captain Marvel was also testing the full extent of her powers at that point when she fought the Kree fleet:

This seemingly suggests the following scaling chain: Captain Marvel (Endgame)>Thanos>Captain Marvel (1990s)>Tesseract

There’s a scan that says the Tesseract was designed to be durable enough to withstand the space stone output. If the durability gets amended he can just scale by crushing the Tesseract. I’ll post it when I get on my computer

 

[darkphantom9805]

There’s a scan that says the Tesseract was designed to be durable enough to withstand the space stone output. If the durability gets amended he can just scale by crushing the Tesseract. I’ll post it when I get on my computer

You talking about this

According to what if surtur was also unable to destroy the cube because it was that durable surtur tier is planet level so we can possibly just scale it above surtur and by extension Thanos

 

[Isaacbobanka]

I think that Thor's feat from shaking Jothenheim could be done higher if usen other values like this calculation which puts the feat at large planet. Not to mention that the ice on Jothenheim was able to clash with asgardian steel which is uru and is capable of piercing a asgardian and his armor.

 

[darkphantom9805]

I think that Thor's feat from shaking Jothenheim could be done higher if usen other values like this calculation which puts the feat at large planet. Not to mention that the ice on Jothenheim was able to clash with asgardian steel which is uru and is capable of piercing a asgardian and his armor.

Yeah the ice being as strong as asgardian steel would definitely bump the feat a lot higher

 

[darkphantom9805]

Lol 8 hour stream from marvel on wolverine breathing

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Lol 8 hour stream from marvel on wolverine breathing

You have to watch the full 8 hours what if you miss a frame showing Spiderman defeating Sentry?

 

[Lonkitt]

Stuff like this makes it genuinely so confusing to me that Kevin Feige for the longest while was so dead set on trying to decanonise the Netflix shows when they basically gave him a fully fleshed out street level side of his universe for free. The MCU as a verse would literally have less depth without it.

I wouldn’t say he was dead set on it. After all, it was Feige himself who directly reminded us that the Netflix shows were still canon as far back as 2021 as per his own words in an article

Either way, I’ve been a “The Netflix shows are still canon” truther for the longest time, and I’m glad I was ultimately vindicated with how Hawkeye, NWH, Echo, and Born Again have backed me up. Plus, according to Disney+, Echo and Born Again are part of the Defenders Saga alongside Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Defenders, and Punisher, so that always helps

I absolutely agree with you on the street level side thing. The Defenders Saga does A LOT to spice up the MCU for the better

 

[darkphantom9805]

 

[ArkhamDC06]

So based on the trailer and what we see of it, Sentry/The Void would have Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Darkness Manipulation, Flight. The "Tickets on Sale" trailer also has Valentina saying that he is stronger than all Avengers combined

 

[darkphantom9805]

So based on the trailer and what we see of it, Sentry/The Void would have Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Darkness Manipulation, Flight. The "Tickets on Sale" trailer also has Valentina saying that he is stronger than all Avengers combined

He’s also got the most dookie visuals bro didn’t even atomize everything

 

[Lonkitt]

So based on the trailer and what we see of it, Sentry/The Void would have Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Darkness Manipulation, Flight. The "Tickets on Sale" trailer also has Valentina saying that he is stronger than all Avengers combined

You forgot that Sentry has the ability to remove Taskmaster from all promotional material for Thunderbolts*

1-A real word hax???

 

[sanicspood]

cant wait to see how taskmaster dies omg im gonna be jumping for joy in the theater

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

 

[Lonkitt]

It's thanks to the Netflix shows that there's canonically more than three named characters currently imprisoned in the Raft

Diamondback watching Trish Walker enter the Raft

 

[Lacku]

Diamondback watching Trish Walker enter the Raft

The funniest piece of MCU lore is still that the only people confirmed to be in the Raft are Trish, Diamondback, Thunderbolt Ross and the Leader.

Dream blunt rotation #tbh

 

[Lonkitt]

Dream blunt rotation #tbh

New Frightful Four just dropped

 

[Lacku]

New Frightful Four just dropped

group so tuff I spent the past 12 minutes making this

 

[Dinobot1996]

The funniest piece of MCU lore is still that the only people confirmed to be in the Raft are Trish, Diamondback, Thunderbolt Ross and the Leader.

Dream blunt rotation #tbh

Zemo is also there, seemingly for the foreseeable future considering he didn't make it onto the MCU Thunderbolts lineup.

 

[Lacku]

Zemo is also there, seemingly for the foreseeable future considering he didn't make it onto the MCU Thunderbolts lineup.

Even better tf. The Raft sounds lowkey chill icl.

 

[Dinobot1996]

At least the Raft still has notable prisoners, which is more than can be said for the Damage Control Supermax Prison, from which Abomination and the Clandestines escaped, leaving nobody of note remaining there currently.

 

[Lonkitt]

group so tuff I spent the past 12 minutes making this

This pic goes so hard…I may need to screenshot #FrightfulFour

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

"Hey Jake, I was wonder when we'll be filming Yelena's dive scene, because I've storming up a few idea on how to make to look at realistic as possible on a green scr-"
"Oh don't worry, I know how to make it look realistic"

 

[darkphantom9805]

Hey Jake, I was wonder when we'll be filming Yelena's dive scene, because I've storming up a few idea on how to make to look at realistic as possible on a green scr-"
"Oh don't worry, I know how to make it look realistic"

She only jumped like 1 floor lol pretty sure it was the camera man who jumped it all or something

 

[Lonkitt]

Even better tf. The Raft sounds lowkey chill icl.

How Diamondback, Trish Walker, Ross, and Leader look at the Raft cafeteria (the prison isn't a mess like Damage Control Supermax)

 

[Dinobot1996]

If this new calculation gets accepted, Deadpool (for his first key) might be able to get his 9-A rating back.