Phoenix faces a Lion (Connor vs Escanor) (Grace)

[Bossbrosish]

The Demon Realm Arc/End of Book 1 Connor and New Holy War Arc Escanor are being used. Connor can use his Phoenix transformations, and Escanor can use the one. The battle occurs in an open field, starting 10 meters apart, and speed is equalized. The battle starts Early in the Morning.

Connor AP:

• Base: 29.6 Exatons
• Pseudo-Phoenix Form: 296 Exatons
• Phoenix Form: 592 Exatons
• Pseudo-Orange Phoenix Form: 888 Exatons
• Orange Phoenix Form: 1.184 Zettaton

Escanor AP

• Day: 189 Exatons
• Near-Noon: 749 Exatons
• The One: >749 Exatons

(If I have the wrong AP values for Escanor, let me know. I had to go through multiple profiles to try and understand what he scales to.)

Base and Day difference: 6.3x (in Escanor's favor)
Pseudo-Phoenix Form and Day: 1.5x (in Connor's favor)
Phoenix Form and Day: 3.1x (in Connor's favor)
Pseudo-Orange Phoenix and Near-Noon: 1.1x (in Connor's favor)
Orange Phoenix Form and Near-Noon/The One: 1.5x (in Connor's favor)

Neon Cavalier: 0

Lion Sin of Pride: 3 (Sleepymaus,Makai641001, speedster352)

Incon: 0

 

[FlipLaScript]

The Demon Realm Arc/End of Book 1 Connor and New Holy War Arc Escanor are being used. Connor can use his Phoenix transformations, and Escanor can use the one.

Connor AP:

• Base: 29.6 Exatons
• Pseudo-Phoenix Form: 296 Exatons 592
• Pseudo-Phoenix Form

Which Connor?

Connor, Conner, Connor, Connor or Connor?

 

[Bossbrosish]

Which Connor?

Connor, Conner, Connor, Connor or Connor?

The one I made, so the Neon Cavaliers one. I accidently hit enter to early when making the match up (I forgot to hit shfit+ enter), so If adding everything now

 

[Bossbrosish]

Alright, everything is all sent. hopefully I go the correct AP values for Escanor (I hate jumping through various profiles just to see who he scales too and whatnot)

 

[Makai641001]

The Demon Realm Arc/End of Book 1 Connor and New Holy War Arc Escanor are being used. Connor can use his Phoenix transformations, and Escanor can use the one. The battle occurs in an open field, starting 10 meters apart, and speed is equalized. The battle starts Early in the Morning.

Connor AP:

• Base: 29.6 Exatons
• Pseudo-Phoenix Form: 296 Exatons
• Phoenix Form: 592 Exatons
• Pseudo-Orange Phoenix Form: 888 Exatons
• Orange Phoenix Form: 1.184 Zettaton

Escanor AP

• Day: 189 Exatons
• Near-Noon: 749 Exatons
• The One: >749 Exatons

(If I have the wrong AP values for Escanor, let me know. I had to go through multiple profiles to try and understand what he scales to.)

Base and Day difference: 6.3x (in Escanor's favor)
Pseudo-Phoenix Form and Day: 1.5x (in Connor's favor)
Phoenix Form and Day: 3.1x (in Connor's favor)
Pseudo-Orange Phoenix and Near-Noon: 1.1x (in Connor's favor)
Orange Phoenix Form and Near-Noon/The One: 1.5x (in Connor's favor)

Neon Cavalier: 0

Lion Sin of Pride: 0

Incon: 0

Escanor upscales massively from the 749 exatons value, to the point of actually one shotting people multiple times stronger than Post revival DM Meliodas.

Escanor’s sunshine negs regen, the profile states Connor resists Lava.

Escanor’s passive Heat at mid morning scale massively above lightning heat to the point of being actually able to kill Gilthunder and co from meters.

And that’s at his weakest

Phenix forms drain Connor’s stamina while Escanor is very resiliant

 

[Bossbrosish]

Connor resists Lava.

Connor also has Resistance to Fire attacks in his fourth key, so fire-based attacks won't do much against either of them.

Escanor upscales massively from the 749 exatons value

Any idea how far he upscales from? (Also, if you could, please tell me if I got the correct AP values for Escanor)

Escanor’s sunshine negs regen

This will cause problems for Connor, but how would Escanor handle Connor turning into a Phoenix that's 45'5" in height and has a wingspan of 136 feet?

 

[Makai641001]

Connor also has Resistance to Fire attacks in his fourth key, so fire-based attacks won't do much against either of them.

That’s a NLF, resistance to fire up to what temperature ?

Vampire king was immune to fire but Escanor negated his resistance and did this to him

Immunity to Fire (He states that normal fire can't harm him)

Any idea how far he upscales from? (Also, if you could, please tell me if I got the correct AP values for Escanor)

Yeah it’s correct in this key, he upscales to one or two one shot gaps.

DM Meli couldn’t break through COD
AM Meli one shotted COD passively
Near noon Escanor tanked multiple hits from AM despite being weaker
TO Escanor one shotted AM Meliodas with bare hands

This will cause problems for Connor, but how would Escanor handle Connor turning into a Phoenix that's 45'5" in height and has a wingspan of 136 feet?

Blud can crush mountains as a breakfast and litteraly fought a literal god (that created a 4-A demon world) in the form of a mountain

Even unsealed DM Meliodas could dig 10000 feets deep into the ground with simple darkness pillars

 

[Bossbrosish]

That’s a NLF, resistance to fire up to what temperature ?

Just like normal fire. I don't see how it's a NLF, but please explain.

 

[Makai641001]

Just like normal fire. I don't see how it's a NLF, but please explain.

You can resist fire heat up to 1500 degrees while burning to death at 3000 degrees

Escanor burn people that are supposed to be immune to normal fire.

 

[Makai641001]

Also wanted to add that AM Meliodas did this to Near Noon (Like a minute before the one)

And the One did this to AM

Note the fact that near noon was taking heavy damage from getting hit by a bare handed Meliodas.

The one actually no sold the god reaper that’s a destroyer enchantment type attack aka a 10x multiplier from AM base AP

 

[Bossbrosish]

Also wanted to add that AM Meliodas did this to Near Noon (Like a minute before the one)

And the One did this to AM

Note the fact that near noon was taking heavy damage from getting hit by a bare handed Meliodas.

The one actually no sold the god reaper that’s a destroyer enchantment type attack aka a 10x multiplier from AM base AP

Escanor is definitely more skilled than Connor, but Connor could likely copy Escanor's skills as he did with Lucifer, copying the ability to create portals after seeing it only once. With that, Connor could likely take Escanor somewhere else to BFR him. Connor's pregnant spear skill also could reduce Escanor to ash if he were to get hit by the attack. Connor's Phoenix form makes him produce a natural heat that's as hot as a Red Dwarf Star (6,380 degrees Fahrenheit), and an orange star with his Orange Phoenix Form (around 6740 degrees Fahrenheit)

 

[Makai641001]

Escanor is definitely more skilled than Connor, but Connor could likely copy Escanor's skills as he did with Lucifer, copying the ability to create portals after seeing it only once. With that, Connor could likely take Escanor somewhere else to BFR him. Connor's pregnant spear skill also could reduce Escanor to ash if he were to get hit by the attack. Connor's Phoenix form makes him produce a natural heat that's as hot as a Red Dwarf Star (6,380 degrees Fahrenheit), and an orange star with his Orange Phoenix Form (around 6740 degrees Fahrenheit)

Escanor passively emits heats that surpasses 54000 degrees fahrenheit in his weakest form

In fact he can boil alive people that scale much higher than 54k degrees from meters away

Escanor would likely turn him to ash passively

 

[Bossbrosish]

Escanor would likely turn him to ash passively

Then, Connor would go for a killing blow if he feels himself boiling or use a portal to BFR Escanor. Connor could also increase his attack power by 10 with his support skill or paralyze Escanor with his Sun Flare skill before dealing a killing blow.

 

[Makai641001]

Then, Connor would go for a killing blow if he feels himself boiling

Escanor ain’t no crippled grandma Sunshine passively amps even his speed + the difference in Heat might even be enough to instantly burn him to death

or use a portal to BFR Escanor.

Scan about the mechanism ?

Connor could also increase his attack power by 10 with his support skill

A 10x amp from AM Meliodas was itching TO Escanor tbf

or paralyze Escanor with his Sun Flare skill before dealing a killing blow.

Scan ?
I looked at the profiles lol Escanor emits a light as powerful as the sun light attacks won’t do shit to him let alone stuning him

 

[Bossbrosish]

Escanor ain’t no crippled grandma Sunshine passively amps even his speed

That wouldn't matter here since speed is equalized, and Connor has no problem killing when given the chance.

Scan about the mechanism ?

Here

the difference in Heat might even be enough to instantly burn him to death

From what I've seen, it wouldn't burn him instantly; several characters in Seven Deadly Sins have fought Escanor and weren't killed instantly by his fire

Scan ?

Here

I looked at the profiles lol Escanor emits a light as powerful as the sun light attacks won’t do shit to him let alone stuning him

What? That doesn't make any sense. Just because Escanor emits a light doesn't mean he's incapable of being stunned.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

From what I've seen, it wouldn't burn him instantly; several characters in Seven Deadly Sins have fought Escanor and weren't killed instantly by his fire

What's that argument? That's not how it works

 

[Makai641001]

That wouldn't matter here since speed is equalized, and Connor has no problem killing when given the chance.

Escanor has no problem either he usually goes for the kill

Here

Escanor has class P LS Connor won’t be able to push him inside the portal or suck him inside since he has no listed LS, Also to use the BFR he’ll have to plant his sword in the ground as stated in these panels if the skill relies on this mechanism watch him try to use a fully melted sword lol

Escanor can fly with his suns opening a portal below him won’t work either.

From what I've seen, it wouldn't burn him instantly; several characters in Seven Deadly Sins have fought Escanor and weren't killed instantly by his fire

That’s not how It works…

Characters From NNT that weren’t killed instantly just Scale their resistance to his Heat manip lol

He massively outscales what Connor can survive he would litteraly charcoal him

Here

What? That doesn't make any sense. Just because Escanor emits a light doesn't mean he's incapable of being stunned.

Blud is a human solar flare he resists the light he emits

 

[Bossbrosish]

Blud is a human solar flare he resists the light he emits

That HE emits, that's not saying he can't be stunned by the attack.

Escanor passively emits heats that surpasses 54000 degrees fahrenheit in his weakest form

Ok, where is it ever stated that Escanor passively emits heat that surpasses 54,000 degrees Fahrenheit? I forgot to ask that. Also, Connor has the AP advantage when he transforms and gains a 3x advantage when he's in his Phoenix form, which is a massive bird made of literal fire that's as hot as a Red Dwarf and can apply it by turning into his Orange Phoenix form.

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

What do both start with?

 

[Bossbrosish]

What do both start with?

Connor would start by attacking outright or leading with his Phoenix Blast. I'm not sure about Escanor, but from what I've seen from videos on him, it's usually attack with Divine Axe Rhitta or Cruel Sun, but I could be wrong.

 

[Makai641001]

That HE emits, that's not saying he can't be stunned by the attack.

He emits and resists this amount of light same goes for Mael and co his senses are pretty great too blinding him won’t help

Ok, where is it ever stated that Escanor passively emits heat that surpasses 54,000 degrees Fahrenheit?

He was litteraly boiling alive Gilthunder and co that resists prolunged exposure to natural superheated lightnings (at least 30 000 degrees Celsius)

That’s almost 9 times above Connors heat output + it can negate Resistance to conventional heat (Burned Izraf to death)

I forgot to ask that. Also, Connor has the AP advantage when he transforms and gains a 3x advantage when he's in his Phoenix form, which is a massive bird made of literal fire that's as hot as a Red Dwarf and can apply it by turning into his Orange Phoenix form.

Escanor litteraly one taps people that One tap those Who scale at the 700 exatons value that covers up the AP difference and in his the One state he tanked a 10x amp From AM Meliodas

The bigger Connor will be the better It is for Escanor

Escanor’s weakest forms are around 8 to 9 times hotter than Connor PASSIVELY

Escanor has massive LS advantage, becomes stronger and faster each second

Can charcoal Connor instantly

Has massive AP advantage if Connor starts in base

Has been shown resisting hits from people a one shot gap above the value he scales to

What do both start with?

Escanor usually use Cruel suns or axe slashes

Connor would likely instantly die due to cruel suns heat

 

[Bossbrosish]

faster each second

Again, speed is equalized.

He emits and resists this amount of light same goes for Mael and co his senses are pretty great too blinding him won’t help

It doesn't blind, the attack hits the body when it comes into contact. It doesn't make sense for Escanor to resist it just because he emits light with Sunshine.

Has massive AP advantage if Connor starts in base

All the more reason Connor would use his transformations.

Can charcoal Connor instantly

You keep saying this, but I looked at the fights Escanor was involved with and the only one I've seen come close was with Izraf

Connor would likely instantly die due to cruel suns heat

You keep saying this, but that doesn't make any sense. Just because the heat is massive it'll kill him instantly? If that's the case, then Escanor would just win any previous and future vs matches he's involved with. Also, The One only lasts a minute and once that minute is up his power decreases.

 

[Bossbrosish]

Even then, Connor has a skill that could turn Escanor to ash, could take him somewhere else or BFR him

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Again, speed is equalized.

It doesn't blind, the attack hits the body when it comes into contact. It doesn't make sense for Escanor to resist it just because he emits light with Sunshine.

All the more reason Connor would use his transformations.

You keep saying this, but I looked at the fights Escanor was involved with and the only one I've seen come close was with Izraf

You keep saying this, but that doesn't make any sense. Just because the heat is massive it'll kill him instantly? If that's the case, then Escanor would just win any previous and future vs matches he's involved with. Also, The One only lasts a minute and once that minute is up his power decreases.

Dude...

 

[Rayfire]

Again, speed is equalized.

Speed equalisation doesn't prevent stat amps or reactive evolution from applying. I don't know jack about escanor, but if he has abilities like that, they'll still add to his speed

 

[Bossbrosish]

Speed equalisation doesn't prevent stat amps or reactive evolution from applying. I don't know jack about escanor, but if he has abilities like that, they'll still add to his speed

Huh, I guess I never really understood what that part meant. So, since Connor's transformation also increases his speed, will his speed be increased just like Escanor's? Am I getting that right?

 

[Makai641001]

Again, speed is equalized.

Doesn’t matter Power amps still remains

It doesn't blind, the attack hits the body when it comes into contact. It doesn't make sense for Escanor to resist it just because he emits light with Sunshine.

I didn’t understand It

All the more reason Connor would use his transformations.

Does he use It instantly in character ?

You keep saying this, but I looked at the fights Escanor was involved with and the only one I've seen come close was with Izraf

??? People in NNT just scale to his heat…

Gilthunder and co were about to die due to this there are plenty of exemples showing that « wow escanor is hot »

You keep saying this, but that doesn't make any sense. Just because the heat is massive it'll kill him instantly?

Yeah basically if he can’t resist his heat

If that's the case, then Escanor would just win any previous and future vs matches he's involved with.

No ??? He would beat anyone that doesn’t resist heats on this lvl

Also, The One only lasts a minute and once that minute is up his power decreases.

A minute is more than enough when he basically becomes a powerhouse that can one tap characters previously way stronger than him

Speed equalisation doesn't prevent stat amps or reactive evolution from applying. I don't know jack about escanor, but if he has abilities like that, they'll still add to his speed

He basically becomes stronger/faster each second

Huh, I guess I never really understood what that part meant. So, since Connor's transformation also increases his speed, will his speed be increased just like Escanor's? Am I getting that right?

Both

But if he can’t resist Escanor’s heat he’ll die

Escanor can also tear his ahh up due to the LS gap

 

[Bossbrosish]

I didn’t understand It

That's my fault. I should've explained it more properly.

Does he use It instantly in character ?

Yes, very much so.

He basically becomes stronger/faster each second

Ok, let's see here. Since Escanor is slower, both Escanor and Connor are 0.05c based on the Sub-Relativistic+ Calc

Connor:

• Base: 0.05c
• Pseudo-Phoenix Form: 0.5C
• Phoenix Form: 1C
• Pseudo-Orange Phoenix Form: 1.5C
• Orange Phoenix Form: 2C

For Escanor, I will assume a 5x increase since it goes up every second, as you said.
Escanor

• Day: 0.05C
• Near-Noon: 0.25C
• The One: 1.25C

I don't know what the value is for Sped Blitz, as it's not stated on the page, but Connor is much faster than Escanor with his transformations. Of course, Escanor would likely catch up due to his power growing, but who knows by how much.

 

[Majinere566]

Sub-Relativistic+ Calc

Hey, I believe this isn’t the sub relativistic feat being used in Escanor’s profile as it happens much more later into the series, I believe it’s this one

Meliodas reflects several of Gilthuder's rays

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Makai641001]

That's my fault. I should've explained it more properly.

Yes, very much so.

Are There examples ?

Ok, let's see here. Since Escanor is slower, both Escanor and Connor are 0.05c based on the Sub-Relativistic+ Calc

Connor:

• Base: 0.05c
• Pseudo-Phoenix Form: 0.5C
• Phoenix Form: 1C
• Pseudo-Orange Phoenix Form: 1.5C
• Orange Phoenix Form: 2C

For Escanor, I will assume a 5x increase since it goes up every second, as you said.
Escanor

• Day: 0.05C
• Near-Noon: 0.25C
• The One: 1.25C

I don't know what the value is for Sped Blitz, as it's not stated on the page, but Connor is much faster than Escanor with his transformations. Of course, Escanor would likely catch up due to his power growing, but who knows by how much.

Are there statements for the speed amps ?

Escanor goes from Sub Rel + to FTLpassively iirc

 

[Sleepymaus]

Ecanor FRA (i still have no clue what fra means i just know people say it when they vote)

 

[Makai641001]

Ecanor FRA (i still have no clue what fra means i just know people say it when they vote)

« For reasons above »

 

[Sleepymaus]

« For reasons above »

ah good to know, AND IT FITS STILL CUZ IT WAS BECAUSE OF THAT im cooking

 

[Makai641001]

As I don’t have much Time for this i’ll vote Escanor rn i feel like Connor has 0 ways to avoid ending up as a piece of coal.

The LS gap is obnoxious too Escanor can litteraly turn him to shreds

 

[Bossbrosish]

Are There examples ?

Here, and it has a statement regarding one of the amps

Hey, I believe this isn’t the sub relativistic feat being used in Escanor’s profile as it happens much more later into the series, I believe it’s this one

Meliodas reflects several of Gilthuder's rays

vsbattles.fandom.com

Really? On his profile, it says Sub-Relativistic+ Early Morning

 

[Majinere566]

Here, and it has a statement regarding one of the amps

Really? On his profile, it says Sub-Relativistic+ Early Morning

Yeah. The feat you linked doesn’t happen until eos. The Key being used isn’t EOS Escanor so it’s most likely the feat I linked

 

[Makai641001]

Here, and it has a statement regarding one of the amps

The statement isn’t even about speed It states his Power lvl increased by ten.

In order for a Multiplier to be effective you need a statement about speed being multiplied

Really? On his profile, it says Sub-Relativistic+ Early Morning

Yeah i think he is sub rel+ at it’s weakest but each seconds he becomes Faster up to FTL in his The One state also the more energy he has stored the more he can amp himself

 

[Bossbrosish]

lvl increased by ten.

In order for a Multiplier to be effective you need a statement about speed being multiplied

It also increases speed. He uses it to fight characters who're much faster than him, like Lilim for example.

Yeah i think he is sub rel+ at it’s weakest but each seconds he becomes Faster up to FTL in his The One state also the more energy he has stored the more he can amp himself

Connor:
Base: 0.01c
Pseudo-Phoenix Form: 0.1C
Phoenix Form: 1C
Pseudo-Orange Phoenix Form: 0.52C
Orange Phoenix Form: 0.4C
For Escanor, I will assume a 5x increase since it goes up every second
Escanor
Day: 0.01C
Near-Noon: 0.05C
The One: 0.25C

Connor clearly has a speed advantage when using his transformations,even if Escanor would eventually catch up.

 

[Makai641001]

It also increases speed. He uses it to fight characters who're much faster than him, like Lilim for example.

Doesn’t work like that.

À 10x Power lvl amp can also partially amp speed without necessarily being a 10x speed

Connor:
Base: 0.01c
Pseudo-Phoenix Form: 0.1C
Phoenix Form: 1C
Pseudo-Orange Phoenix Form: 0.52C
Orange Phoenix Form: 0.4C
For Escanor, I will assume a 5x increase since it goes up every second
Escanor
Day: 0.01C
Near-Noon: 0.05C
The One: 0.25C

Escanor is far Faster than that

Connor clearly has a speed advantage when using his transformations,even if Escanor would eventually catch up.

Escanor still charcoals him

The LS difference too is obnoxious

Voting Escanor

 

[Bossbrosish]

So the win-cons for Escanor are his heat and LS advantage and for Connor he could turn Escanor to ash with his Regnant Spear or BFR him away with a portal (which he did to Matt because he wanted to face Lucifer alone)