The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

[The_Impress]

Honestly I can try and exhaust Emma Frost or some other 1k appearance character at some point. Frustrating part is usually them falling into random hax or stat scaling chains to folks who are eligible for profiles, but you don't wanna sidetrack everytime to make them a file, and other people kinda "yeah whatever" it if you ask them.

So it can be a two person collaborative effort but I'd need someone who'd like, actually put in the work to keep up with that, ig.

 

[The_Impress]

Although hm it might be three-four people collab since I'd prolly need a proof-checker and a calcer

Classic Emma is easy as shit to make though I think, her appearances ramp up at like, 2000s

 

[The_Impress]

So yeah... any volunteers?

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Marvel Cosmology Redo (Part 2 of 2)

Hi, today we will be doing part two of the Cosmology revision thread. This time it will tackle the main thread. As I have made a sandbox here going over it: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:VeryGoofyToddler2/sandbox6#Planes_of_Existence Eternity, the Far Shore, and Yggdrasil: Discussed...

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Marvel: Big Yggdrasil Downgrade, Skyfather Upgrades, and Thor Revisions

Part One: Yggdrasil and Those Who Scale Right now, Yggdrasil is scaled to High 1-A based on this panel, showing it encompassing the Living Tribunal. I have a big problem with this, as I do not think this scaling is at all narratively implied. It is a huge outlier that is never brought up or...

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Marvel gods revision (BDE Type 2)

Hi, I've been working on a little project for giving 1-A to Marvel Gods through their true nature as beyond-dimensional beings. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:VeryGoofyToddler2/Marvel_God%E2%80%99s_Realm_and_Beyond_Dimensional_Existence Tiering: This goes hand to hand with another...

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The Mah-vel Unfawking Thread Step One: Everyone Can Destroy Planets :)

Long time no see. So this thread is asking to get rid of the Grey Hulk Asteroid feat, this one to be more specific. Why? Because it is the ONLY feat I can find that justifies Tier 5 ratings for most low-end bruiser tier ratings for these characters. Getting rid of it will most likely revert...

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Marvel DeMatteis Cosmology -Slight Tier Upgrade and Scaling Thread

Hello. Now that the Cosmology has been done, we need to discuss actual scaling now and somethings I discovered. God by DeMatteis' Point of View: - Firstly, we need to explain what God/Creator is in DeMatteis' stories, and where many may believe this is controversial , but I don't think so...

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Okay, Jesus... this is a lot of potentially verse-wide/cosmology revision threads we have ongoing.

 

[The_Impress]

Yeah like, it's not doable. My thread at least is paused for now.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for the summary.

So do any of those revisions conflict with each other?

 

[Excellence616]

Marvel: Big Yggdrasil Downgrade, Skyfather Upgrades, and Thor Revisions

Part One: Yggdrasil and Those Who Scale Right now, Yggdrasil is scaled to High 1-A based on this panel, showing it encompassing the Living Tribunal. I have a big problem with this, as I do not think this scaling is at all narratively implied. It is a huge outlier that is never brought up or...

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Okay, Jesus... this is a lot of potentially verse-wide/cosmology revision threads we have ongoing.

Thank you for the summary.

So do any of those revisions conflict with each other?

The Yggdrasil thread can be closed

 

[Nonynho]

Hey people... i think i just had an amazing idea I'd like you to jump in:

Let's get a tremendously good attorney...against another tremendously good attorney. Matt Murdock (AKA Daredevil) against Miles Edgeworth*!

They will face each other in court, in a very famous case: Oliver Sansweet v. Mr. Incredible (if you don't recall, it is the case at the start of The Incredibles, where Mr. Incredible saves someone who didn't want to be saved and injured his neck by accident), with Miles at the Prosecution and Daredevil once again defending a superhero in court.

Anyone interested? Anyone thinks it's unfair?

 

[Antvasima]

The Yggdrasil thread can be closed

I would like to have my last post there answered first please.

 

[SamanPatou]

I have my Rhino revision ready to be published, but the new Spider-Man volume coming out today features him and I need to sit on my butt and wait in case it adds something magnificent (he'll be knocked out in two panels)

 

[The_Impress]

I have my Rhino revision ready to be published, but the new Spider-Man volume coming out today features him and I need to sit on my butt and wait in case it adds something magnificent (he'll be knocked out in two panels)

1-A scaling incoming

 

[SamanPatou]

You know, this thing is still sitting in the back of my head...

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

I thought all this stuff was over

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

@The_Impress I see your pfp and I just want to ask out of curiosity, what would you think if the comics/show of Ms. Marvel were more similar to Invincible?

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

@The_Impress I see your pfp and I just want to ask out of curiosity, what would you think if the comics/show of Ms. Marvel were more similar to Invincible?

Similar in what way?

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

I thought all this stuff was over

Hickman always fins a way to do more...

 

[Antvasima]

Isn't that story written by another author though?

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Isn't that story written by another author though?

Ryan North, I think he wrote unbeatable squirl girl so who knows

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

Isn't that story written by another author though?

Oh, it is. Didn't see that at first.

 

[The_Impress]

@The_Impress I see your pfp and I just want to ask out of curiosity, what would you think if the comics/show of Ms. Marvel were more similar to Invincible?

I mean I like Kamala's writing for the inhuman-era runs, my frustrations as the runs went on were like, she had a super strong supporting cast but they never gave her a good rogue, ever, so her stories became more and more low stakes (which kinda made people check out)

When they finally were working to give her more agency (with the Destined One stuff, whatever your opinion on the quality may be), Marvel suddenly just, lost all interest in all the new heroes, so all of the build-up just resolved into nothing (bunch of reasons for it).

Beyond that you have the whole editorial fumble with her getting fridged 'n' all.

I don't know what you mean by Invincible writing, but I will say what works for a third party hero doesn't necessarily always work in Marvel. Runaways was a ******* phenomenal comic with great impact on the comic industry as a whole, but if you were to talk about their impact within the Marvel Universe itself, those characters just, don't synergize well with anyone. That to me is an instance of like, third-party type writing within the Big 2, those characters work great for the story, but beyond it they don't offer that much.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

I mean I like Kamala's writing for the inhuman-era runs, my frustrations as the runs went on were like, she had a super strong supporting cast but they never gave her a good rogue, ever, so her stories became more and more low stakes (which kinda made people check out)

Edison bird tho

When they finally were working to give her more agency (with the Destined One stuff, whatever your opinion on the quality may be), Marvel suddenly just, lost all interest in all the new heroes, so all of the build-up just resolved into nothing (bunch of reasons for it).

The symbiont knock off, I loved that suit I hate the venom plot.

I don't know what you mean by Invincible writing, but I will say what works for a third party hero doesn't necessarily always work in Marvel. Runaways was a ******* phenomenal comic with great impact on the comic industry as a whole, but if you were to talk about their impact within the Marvel Universe itself, those characters just, don't synergize well with anyone. That to me is an instance of like, third-party type writing within the Big 2, those characters work great for the story, but beyond it they don't offer that much.

I think Nico doesn't work that bad with the midnight sons, it's a shame they pretty much abandoned her whole think with the staff and her relationship.

 

[The_Impress]

Edison bird tho

They just don't end up using him enough, is the annoying part

I think Nico doesn't work that bad with the midnight sons, it's a shame they pretty much abandoned her whole think with the staff and her relationship.

Nico is sorta the exception, although they had to still revise her heavily yeah.

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And like, I do still love the G. Willow Wilson run, Ahmed run, and the Mark Waid Champions run for the record, just that there are still faults in them they could've worked to remedy.

MCU show I remember watching the first episode and tuning out, it deadass just felt like a Disneyfied version of the original series, like take out any edge whatsoever.

 

[SamanPatou]

Fellas, lower your heads and move forward, the Rhino CRT is here!

Marvel Rhino Charging Revision Thread

Welcome ladies and gentlemen, to my last effort, a revision for one of Spidey's most iconic rogues, Aleksei Sytsevich, aka the Rhino! Coincidentally, our pachidermic fellow has recently been subject of another revision, but mine plans to go even more in detail. As usual, Current Profile - New...

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[Suigetsuhyugs]

They just don't end up using him enough, is the annoying part

Well, not that I think he is actually much of good villain for Kamala overall he is too weak to go against Kamala. Anyways I think he shows up like once every run or something like that, I think the problem is not him not showing more but the fact he is basically the only villain who appears more often for Kamala.

Nico is sorta the exception, although they had to still revise her heavily yeah.

I know that runaways will have a one world under doom tie in and she is obviously returning, I hope they don't forget about her magic and I would hope it turns into a full run.

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And like, I do still love the G. Willow Wilson run, Ahmed run, and the Mark Waid Champions run for the record, just that there are still faults in them they could've worked to remedy.

MCU show I remember watching the first episode and tuning out, it deadass just felt like a Disneyfied version of the original series, like take out any edge whatsoever.

I don't think the MCU show is that bad, but they could have tried to make it much more like the comics.

 

[The_Impress]

What was like, the last Runaways run, late 2010s one?

 

[Spinoirr]

What was like, the last Runaways run, late 2010s one?

I used to read their comics when I was In middle school

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

What was like, the last Runaways run, late 2010s one?

I liked some of the new characters others not so much, they basically made Nico quit using the staff which was not good since she stopped using magic at all. I didn't hate it but I don't know just confusing

 

[The_Impress]

It's because "teenage goth girl committing self-harm" superpowers aged abit... roughly, for a commercial long-running corporate comicc

That's why like, as said, these are great concepts for an indie or third-party comics. They just sit kinda weird for Marvel Comics tho ig lol

 

[Antvasima]

Did anybody else here enjoy Rainbow Rowell's She-Hulk run, or Al Ewing's Defenders and Thor runs?

 

[The_Impress]

Haven't had the time to check, the Ewing Thor run is apparently really good from what I hear.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

It's because "teenage goth girl committing self-harm" superpowers aged abit... roughly, for a commercial long-running corporate comicc

They took that out too, the contract with the staff changed and Nico didn't have to harm herself anymore instead she was basically selling her body to the devil letting One possess her and watch her, but then out a nowhere she became so afraid to use the staff she sent her with Caroline to space.

That's why like, as said, these are great concepts for an indie or third-party comics. They just sit kinda weird for Marvel Comics tho ig lol

You right they kinda stay isolated from the rest of the world, they should likely to more "crossovers" with the rest of the marvel universe, they had like 1 or 2 appearances from Cloak and dagger and a small team of X men cuz Molly being "cutely Strong" is never too much.

 

[Antvasima]

Haven't had the time to check, the Ewing Thor run is apparently really good from what I hear.

Yes. I plan to buy the omnibus for Ewing's Thor run when it comes out. But their Defenders runs were awesome as well.

 

[Antvasima]

It's because "teenage goth girl committing self-harm" superpowers aged abit... roughly, for a commercial long-running corporate comicc

Yes. Dan Slott also pointed out that Big Bertha's superpower being based on bulimia was really messed up, but that didn't stop him from writing it in Great Lakes Avengers...

 

[Nonynho]

Question: is Alligator Loki's magic usage Limited to the uses that the profile point (TK and Forcefields) out or does he use it at full Potency?
(Dropped the court match cuz nobody commented mych)

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I don't know what you mean by Invincible writing

I would suggest giving the show a watch but I think the tl;dr would be that I a lot of the conflict/drama comes from Invincible/Mark being half of a race that wants to conquer the Earth, and it's often paired with a lot of violence, gore, and trauma. Considering there are stories where the Kree are antagonists or villains in the comics, could something similar work where Kamala is half Kree and her father is like a Kree Omni-Man?

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

I would suggest giving the show a watch but i think the tl;dr would be that I a lot of the conflict/drama comes from Invincible/Mark being half of a race that wants to conquer the Earth, and it's often paired with a lot of violence, gore, and trauma. Considering there are stories where the Kree are antagonists or villains in the comics, could something similar work where Kamala is half Kree and her father is like a Kree Omni-Man?

So... You are suggesting the same story used for Mar-vell and Carol Danvers to be repeated again with Kamala? Omni-man's story is a almost a complete rip off of Mar-vell, he was a kree soldier sent to earth to conquer it but fell in love with it and decided to fight against his own race, he also had a kid that became the emperor of the Kree empire.
Anyways doing that it's too late, she is clearly no Kree and we know who her parents are and her lineage is that of Inhuman who obviously cannot possibly be Kree.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

So... You are suggesting the same story used for Mar-vell and Carol Danvers to be repeated again with Kamala? Omni-man's story is a almost a complete rip off of Mar-vell, he was a kree soldier sent to earth to conquer it but fell in love with it and decided to fight against his own race, he also had a kid that became the emperor of the Kree empire.
Anyways doing that it's too late, she is clearly no Kree and we know who her parents are and her lineage is that of Inhuman who obviously cannot possibly be Kree.

Well, can't her story be rebooted or something?

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

Well, can't her story be rebooted or something?

They tried that, and they turned her into just another X-Man...

 

[The_Impress]

Considering there are stories where the Kree are antagonists or villains in the comics, could something similar work where Kamala is half Kree and her father is like a Kree Omni-Man?

That's just... wow.

Firstly I don't think it's particularly a good idea for your first major muslim character's lore be "her dad is a super terrorist disguised as something otherwise unthreatening." Other than that, yeah that's just a less interesting Mar-Vell or Genis-Vell plot.

I dunno man, Invincible works, sure, but the original Ms. Marvel story works just as well (imo its a great origin, kinda the closest you can get to the modern Spider-Man origin feel which is well noted as MCU Spider-Man siphoned so ******* much from Kamala's storylines). Again her setup doesn't have an issue, it's a good story, and the character is a good character. Editorial just doesn't let her reach her full potential because current Marvel Comics (2020s n all) is the safest, least impactful Marvel has ever been, only era comparable is like, mid 90s to early 00s MAYBE.

So yeah I don't think it's an improvement. Kamala's origin and setup is the best thing about her lol.

 

[The_Impress]

...do people read Invincible for the plot? Not asking this as a diss, just, actually curious.