Ninjago: Replacing Low 2-C with 4-C + Slight additions

[Lloydblitzed]

Just wanna clear this up: Digiverse is not an actual "universe structure"

Yet its litterally called a "digital Universe"?

So their is basically going into a Game/digital world though the use of transferring their couniceness into the system.

Its shown in Golden Hour that Wu and the Twins time travel inside the world without the need of any consciousness transferal

So the "World" is not an actual structure with Fundamental information, but rather just "data" like any other software.

Then explain why Nya calls it a "copy of Ninjago", and why Borg implies it has a programming less complex to Prime Empire, who itself is a shadow of the actual Real World?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Tbh, it being accepted IM 2 is not actually correct in the first place, but was rather missed to be rejected and overlooked in another CRT. As you can see here, it was a massive CRT and was missed.

Nowhere was it rejected in the other CRT tho?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Tbh, it being accepted IM 2 is not actually correct in the first place, but was rather missed to be rejected and overlooked in another CRT. As you can see here, it was a massive CRT and was missed.

Edit - Wow my grammar is hot garbage

I checked the thread and it seems DDM and Ant agreed with it, unless Im missing something.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I checked the thread and it seems DDM and Ant agreed with it, unless Im missing something.

What I mean was that due how it was presented with many other stuff, the digital stuff was not looked into if it actually qualified for IM 2 or not, and it only makes it worse when 1 of the 2 staff that accepted in the first place, rejected it being IM 2 in this thread. (DDM)

So I am not saying it was rejected in the thread, only that it was not actually looked into.

 

[AigerTheKing]

Just wanna clear this up: Digiverse is not an actual "universe structure" but rather just a digital world created in a server.

The Digiverse itself is a Universe

So their is basically going into a Game/digital world though the use of transferring their couniceness into the system.

So the "World" is not an actual structure with Fundamental information, but rather just "data" like any other software.

From the IM2 page:

This information is shown to compose reality similar to how data underlies a video game world, code defines the rules of a simulation or in a fashion equally fundamental to these examples

Which is fufilled by these statements

Cyrus: Remember, I wrote the code, but he controls it. His turf, his rules. I'll do my best to keep you hidden from here, but the longer you go unnoticed, the better chance you have to succeed.

And what Jay said

What I mean was that due how it was presented with many other stuff, the digital stuff was not looked into if it actually qualified for IM 2 or not, and it only makes it worse when 1 of the 2 staff that accepted in the first place, rejected it being IM 2 in this thread. (DDM)

So I am not saying it was rejected in the thread, only that it was not actually looked into.

What kind of excuse is that? If the staff had a contentation, they would comment on it. Not to count that the arguments are completly different in here and in the other CRT

 

[Lloydblitzed]

What I mean was that due how it was presented with many other stuff, the digital stuff was not looked into if it actually qualified for IM 2 or not, and it only makes it worse when 1 of the 2 staff that accepted in the first place, rejected it being IM 2 in this thread. (DDM)

So I am not saying it was rejected in the thread, only that it was not actually looked into.

What the hell does it change if the CRT is big or not? Also, I only brought Prime Empire here long after DDM commented on the Digiverse case specifically

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

What I mean was that due how it was presented with many other stuff, the digital stuff was not looked into if it actually qualified for IM 2 or not, and it only makes it worse when 1 of the 2 staff that accepted in the first place, rejected it being IM 2 in this thread. (DDM)

So I am not saying it was rejected in the thread, only that it was not actually looked into.

Tbh, this is not something that you can reliably state without evidence of Ant/DDM himself saying that they did overlook it. For all we know they looked at the OP and agreed with it.

And even if it was the case, IM2 is already on Unagami's profile, so a different CRT would be needed to remove it.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Tbh, this is not something that you can reliably state without evidence of Ant/DDM himself saying that they did overlook it. For all we know they looked at the OP and agreed with it.

Fair enough. I thought it would be worth mentioning, though.

And even if it was the case, IM2 is already on the profiles, so a different CRT would be needed to remove it.

Hmm, would getting both parties that accepted it to reject it count or?

 

[AigerTheKing]

Hmm, would getting both parties that accepted it to reject it count or?

You need a new CRT to address a subject that was previously accepted + Respond to me when?

 

[Reiner04]

Looks fine

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

OPs arguments

Info Type 2/Data Erasure: The Ninjas (using USM Lloyd's Golden Power), were able to reboot the Digiverse system, which would erase all corruption from the System. The Digiverse itself is a Universe that functions like a game. Additionally, Nya quotes that the Digiverse is a copy of Ninjago as a whole:

Nya: Cyrus Borg even created a duplicate Ninjago in the Digiverse in hopes that one day everyone could leave their bodies and live there.

Meaning that its reality is made of information. This should obviously scale to USM Lloyd, but also to Golden Master (due to possessing Lloyd's powers) and FSM (due to Lloyd possessing his abilities). This would also be 5D in potency due to upscaling from the Balance


Our arguments are different, but we don't think it qualifies due to:

1- data being more fitting IM 2
2-There is a lack of evidence for type 2, and not meeting its requirements
3- It's quite literally a "digital world" in a server, making it a "virtual world" quite literally, so it would lack any real form of fundamentals.
4- If we were to count this, we would need to give literally all games within a fictional verse Info type 2.

tbh, Most of us just saw this and didn't bother debating it due to us not seeing why it would qualify in the first place.



Side note-

The other main arguments in the replies and my understanding of why some are still accepting it is due to it being accepted in this place, but as proven in earlier in this thread one of the 2 staff that agreed with the CRT for IM 2, now disagrees with it. (DDM), and the other being @Antvasima, whose view on this I think is necessary.

 

[Johner2133451]

OPs arguments

Info Type 2/Data Erasure: The Ninjas (using USM Lloyd's Golden Power), were able to reboot the Digiverse system, which would erase all corruption from the System. The Digiverse itself is a Universe that functions like a game. Additionally, Nya quotes that the Digiverse is a copy of Ninjago as a whole:


Meaning that its reality is made of information. This should obviously scale to USM Lloyd, but also to Golden Master (due to possessing Lloyd's powers) and FSM (due to Lloyd possessing his abilities). This would also be 5D in potency due to upscaling from the Balance


Our arguments are different, but we don't think it qualifies due to:

1- data being more fitting IM 2
2-There is a lack of evidence for type 2, and not meeting its requirements
3- It's quite literally a "digital world" in a server, making it a "virtual world" quite literally, so it would lack any real form of fundamentals.
4- If we were to count this, we would need to give literally all games within a fictional verse Info type 2.

tbh, Most of us just saw this and didn't bother debating it due to us not seeing why it would qualify in the first place.



Side note-

The other main arguments in the replies and my understanding of why some are still accepting it is due to it being accepted in this place, but as proven in earlier in this thread one of the 2 staff that agreed with the CRT for IM 2, now disagrees with it. (DDM), and the other being @Antvasima, whose view on this I think is necessary.

Could you check this info2 hax ability? Can you mention the difference between what's on the CRT and the character profile? So I want to understand when does data manipulation can become info2 manipulation

Asriel Dreemurr (Flowey)

Flowey the Flower is one of the main antagonists in Undertale. He first appears in the Ruin, attempting to kill Frisk for their soul before being chased by Toriel. Following this event, the flower will stalk Frisk through the Underground, something appearing to mock them before culminating in...

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Could you check this info2 hax ability? Can you mention the difference between what's on the CRT and the character profile? So I want to understand when does data manipulation can become info2 manipulation

Asriel Dreemurr (Flowey)

Flowey the Flower is one of the main antagonists in Undertale. He first appears in the Ruin, attempting to kill Frisk for their soul before being chased by Toriel. Following this event, the flower will stalk Frisk through the Underground, something appearing to mock them before culminating in...

vsbattles.fandom.com

This was already discussed earlier in this thread, and can you for ones stop bringing up other characters/verses as arguments for a verse/character to have an ability/scale?

 

[Johner2133451]

This was already discussed earlier in this thread, and can you for ones stop bringing up other characters/verses as arguments for a verse/character to have an ability/scale?

Well stryum mentions undertale has info2 because the data makes up what reality is, I kinda dont get this since data also mades up reality by default

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Well stryum mentions undertale has info2 because the data makes up what reality is, I kinda dont get this since data also mades up reality by default

Either ask Styrm about it, make a QnA about it, or you can ask me on my message wall, but I am not knowledgeable about undertale.

Either way, can you delete your messages now to not clog up the thread? I will do the same in 5-10 min.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

OPs arguments

Info Type 2/Data Erasure: The Ninjas (using USM Lloyd's Golden Power), were able to reboot the Digiverse system, which would erase all corruption from the System. The Digiverse itself is a Universe that functions like a game. Additionally, Nya quotes that the Digiverse is a copy of Ninjago as a whole:


Meaning that its reality is made of information. This should obviously scale to USM Lloyd, but also to Golden Master (due to possessing Lloyd's powers) and FSM (due to Lloyd possessing his abilities). This would also be 5D in potency due to upscaling from the Balance


Our arguments are different, but we don't think it qualifies due to:

1- data being more fitting IM 2
2-There is a lack of evidence for type 2, and not meeting its requirements
3- It's quite literally a "digital world" in a server, making it a "virtual world" quite literally, so it would lack any real form of fundamentals.
4- If we were to count this, we would need to give literally all games within a fictional verse Info type 2.

According to the Info Page, a world being composed of data would meet the requirements

Fundamental: These characters can manipulate information that serves as a fundamental building block of reality. This information is shown to compose reality similar to how data underlies a video game world, code defines the rules of a simulation or in a fashion equally fundamental to these examples

tbh, Most of us just saw this and didn't bother debating it due to us not seeing why it would qualify in the first place.

Are you suggesting that the ones who agreed to this are incompetent?

Side note-

The other main arguments in the replies and my understanding of why some are still accepting it is due to it being accepted in this place, but as proven in earlier in this thread one of the 2 staff that agreed with the CRT for IM 2, now disagrees with it. (DDM), and the other being @Antvasima, whose view on this I think is necessary.

The PE arguments were made long after DDM's comment and he never directly addressed them here. This is your 2nd attempt to misslead people
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[Ultimate-Rex1]

1- data being more fitting IM 2

Yh, it's literally Universe made of data so it's Information Type 2

2-There is a lack of evidence for type 2, and not meeting its requirements

Universe made of data= (Here Here and Here)
Can manipulate this universe with data manipulation= (Scan. More: Here & Here)

3- It's quite literally a "digital world" in a server, making it a "virtual world" quite literally, so it would lack any real form of fundamentals.

It's "Universe" with "rules" and even is has their time as see in Time Vortex, even stated to be "World" and "Realm"

4- If we were to count this, we would need to give literally all games within a fictional verse Info type 2.

So? Not all Games stated to be Universe, there many verse has IM Type 2 due to can manipulate universe made of data

 

[Johner2133451]

Either ask Styrm about it, make a QnA about it, or you can ask me on my message wall, but I am not knowledgeable about undertale.

Either way, can you delete your messages now to not clog up the thread? I will do the same in 5-10 min.

Ok

I think it's fine since it's relevant to the thread

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Are you suggesting that the ones who agreed to this are incompetent?

Now that is a wild accusation that seems targeted but no, I am saying through large upgrades stuff can be missed, and if the arguments rely on "it was accepted in a earlier upgrade" is the only thing that brings people to accept it, it may not have been good arguments in the first place.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

The PE arguments were made long after DDM's comment and he never directly addressed them here. This is your 2nd attempt to misslead people

That is also a false claim, I didn't say that DDM disagreed with the Specific "PE arguments" but with the IM 2 scaling itself, meaning the arguments you are using for that claim to be IM 2, should not be fully trusted and revalauted, that is why I asked Ant to evaluate it and why I brought up DDM's disagreement in this thread.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

That is also a false claim, I didn't say that DDM disagreed with the Specific "PE arguments" but with the IM 2 scaling itself, meaning the arguments you are using for that claim to be IM 2, should not be fully trusted and revalauted, that is why I asked Ant to evaluate it and why I brought up DDM's disagreement in this thread.

the PE argument for IM 2 is not the same one DDM responded to here before I edited this OP

 

[Antvasima]

OPs arguments

Info Type 2/Data Erasure: The Ninjas (using USM Lloyd's Golden Power), were able to reboot the Digiverse system, which would erase all corruption from the System. The Digiverse itself is a Universe that functions like a game. Additionally, Nya quotes that the Digiverse is a copy of Ninjago as a whole:


Meaning that its reality is made of information. This should obviously scale to USM Lloyd, but also to Golden Master (due to possessing Lloyd's powers) and FSM (due to Lloyd possessing his abilities). This would also be 5D in potency due to upscaling from the Balance


Our arguments are different, but we don't think it qualifies due to:

1- data being more fitting IM 2
2-There is a lack of evidence for type 2, and not meeting its requirements
3- It's quite literally a "digital world" in a server, making it a "virtual world" quite literally, so it would lack any real form of fundamentals.
4- If we were to count this, we would need to give literally all games within a fictional verse Info type 2.

tbh, Most of us just saw this and didn't bother debating it due to us not seeing why it would qualify in the first place.



Side note-

The other main arguments in the replies and my understanding of why some are still accepting it is due to it being accepted in this place, but as proven in earlier in this thread one of the 2 staff that agreed with the CRT for IM 2, now disagrees with it. (DDM), and the other being @Antvasima, whose view on this I think is necessary.

I think that Dark_Soul20189 seems to make sense here.

 

[Antvasima]

However, I think that the, if I understand correctly, argument to downgrade the Ninjago characters from Low 2-C in the original post of this thread seems reasonable.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I think that Dark_Soul20189 seems to make sense here.

Yh, it's literally Universe made of data so it's Information Type 2

Universe made of data= (Here Here and Here)
Can manipulate this universe with data manipulation= (Scan. More: Here & Here)

It's "Universe" with "rules" and even is has their time as see in Time Vortex, even stated to be "World" and "Realm"

So? Not all Games stated to be Universe, there many verse has IM Type 2 due to can manipulate universe made of data

According to the Info Page, a world being composed of data would meet the requirements



Are you suggesting that the ones who agreed to this are incompetent?

The PE arguments were made long after DDM's comment and he never directly addressed them here. This is your 2nd attempt to misslead people
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Also, let's not forget that Data in Ninjago is able to interact with Real World just as Unagami and his army, Data, interacted with Ninjago, even the embodiment of Prime Empire (Data Universe) able to interact with Real World, and it is mentioned that it has a life

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Tbh after revising stuff, I disagree with the following:

Info Type 2/Data Erasure: The Ninjas (using USM Lloyd's Golden Power), were able to reboot the Digiverse system, which would erase all corruption from the System.

This was done via Technoblades, Lloyd’s power was only used to overpower Overlord’s blockade of the reboot system

Info Type 2/Data Erasure resistance

Borg was referring to Overlord as “corruption”, as he is a virus, not Ninjas, so they should have been unaffected from the erasure because of it, not because of the resistances.

Oni scaling is fine, although I’ll leave the discussion about whether it is IM Type 2 or just Data Manipulation to y’all.

 

[Antvasima]

Also, let's not forget that Data in Ninjago is able to interact with Real World just as Unagami and his army, Data, interacted with Ninjago, even the embodiment of Prime Empire (Data Universe) able to interact with Real World, and it is mentioned that it has a life

Okay. Never mind then, I suppose. I just do not want them to essentially scale from an in-universe computer game.

 

[Theglassman12]

Looks fine at a glance.

 

[Antvasima]

Which staff members have thought what here so far?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Which staff members have thought what here so far?

DarkDragon agreed to the 4-C update and Data erasure, everyone else agrees to everything but think the Info Type 2 scaling should be done via the Oni Scaling

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Can you elaborate a bit regarding which staff members here that think what please?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Okay. Can you elaborate a bit regarding which staff members here that think what please?

Well you and all the other staff besides DarkDragon thinks that the Overlord being able to tank Destruction Blasts, who can erase all life including Video Game characters capable of interacting with the Real World and use their in-game abilities in the Real World is fine. And everyone agreed to the removal of Low 2-C Mergequake feats and replacing them with 4-C feats as closing a Spatial fracture isn't a Low 2-C and 4-C is more consistant in the verse (like with WMW being above people who lives in Stars and use its power along with people who can recreate 4-C weapons)

 

[Antvasima]

Okay, and which staff members have accepted what more specifically, what statistic changes would be applied to the Ninjago characters, and why does @DarkDragonMedeus disagree?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Okay, and which staff members have accepted what more specifically,

You, Reiner, Glassman and Oblivion agrees to everything in the thread, except for the Info type 2 where they only agree to the Prime Empire scaling I previously explained

what statistic changes would be applied to the Ninjago characters, and why does @DarkDragonMedeus disagree?

Changes already got applied, but everyone that was Low 2-C went down to 4-C to High 4- C due to already accepted multipliers. For Dark:

Anyway, I more so was specifically thinking replacing Tier 2 stuff with Tier 4 ratings was good. As for the other proposals, I think Data Manipulation seems more likely.

He didn't comment when the Prime Empire args got brought up too (which were after his last message)

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Please properly explain the data manipulation issue that Medeus disagreed with. Perhaps our other staff members here need to take a second look at it.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Okay. Please properly explain the data manipulation issue that Medeus disagreed with.

The argument was that surviving Digiverse and Zane's system erasure within the game (For Digiverse)/within his coding (for Zane) wasn't Info Type 2 but only Data Erasure. However, the Prime Empire argument changed the argument, and all the other staff agreed on that

Perhaps our other staff members here need to take a second look at it.

We already did that when a new argument got brought up and some people called you to review the thread

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Never mind then.

So what, if anything, is left to do here?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Okay. Never mind then.

So what, if anything, is left to do here?

Well not really. U could close the thread since its done

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will do so.

Thank you to everybody who helped out here.