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Ninjago: Replacing Low 2-C with 4-C + Slight additions

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This is simple: Remove the Low 2-C ratings on Ninjago (This CRT was kinda required to be made)

Our current justification is:
Universe level+ (Closed down a Mergequake, which has been stated to be able to affect the Merged Realms and even be capable of destroying it. Mergequakes have been said to be 2 Realms trying to share a same space, and stopping one would mean stopping them from sharing that space, thus pulling those Realms away)

The problem, like Mim has pointed it in the past, is that all the Realms have merged, which negates the argument that some people like me had that the Realms are still seperated. This is implied by Ras, stated/implied here, here and here by WoG, and Egalt refers the Merged Realms as a Universe.


4-C feats are still more consistant even at the time of DR. These feats should be instead to scale most of the DR profiles (such as everyone who scales to the Wolf Mask Warriors and the Forbidden 5). We already went over the GWs feat in another thread, but I just added it for context for the F5s thing


Info Type 2/Data Erasure: The Ninjas (using USM Lloyd's Golden Power), were able to reboot the Digiverse system, which would erase all corruption from the System. The Digiverse itself is a Universe that functions like a game. Additionally, Nya quotes that the Digiverse is a copy of Ninjago as a whole:

Nya: Cyrus Borg even created a duplicate Ninjago in the Digiverse in hopes that one day everyone could leave their bodies and live there.

Meaning that its reality is made of information. This should obviously scale to USM Lloyd, but also to Golden Master (due to possessing Lloyd's powers) and FSM (due to Lloyd possessing his abilities). This would also be 5D in potency due to upscaling from the Balance

Info Type 2/Data Erasure resistance: The Ninjas survived the system reboot thanks to USM's Golden Power, so every user of his powers should also be granted a resistance to it. Additionally, in Decoded, a leftover fragment of the Overlord Virus, was able to stay hidden inside Zane's system and survive multiple system wipes. Overlord was referred as a virus back when he was stuck in the Digiverse, and its made pretty clear at the end of the episode where he escapes the Digiverse that its the actual real Overlord. This should be supported by the fact he's able to tank blasts from Oni Garmadon, who's blast can erase all life (as explained in the Oni Page), which should include the people from Prime Empire (NPCs), a video game world. This should pretty much scale to Spirit Overlord and all his other forms. This would also be 5D in potency due to upscaling from Creation

Change "Gifted" intelligence to "Extraordinary Genius" Intelligence for Sora: Sora is stated to be a talented inventor. She has created a Mech, Photacs and weapons capable of channeling Elemental Energy. One of her inventions, the Photacs, are indestructible beings made of hard light who don't need to sleep and are implied to never be able to deteroriate, as well as being completly immortal Her invention was so good that it was stated to be far more advanced than any project in her class. Her invention was so good that it impressed even Dr Larow, who is claimed to be a genius women capable of building tech to drain power out of dragons and convert it into energy to power up Imperium.

Resistance negation and other fixes: Kai resistance negation should be upscaled to 1 layer due to the fact he was able to harm Anacondrai throught Fire later in the show, who were previously unfazed by it. Jay's Lightning potency should raised to 1.21 gigawatt due being consistanly stated here, here and here to be able to produce that much gigawatts

Agree: @KaramcaS [B]@DarkDragonMedeus (4-C stuff and thinks Data Erasure only is good) [/B]@TheOrangeGuy09 @AigerTheKing @YmTheSuper (Disagree on Info 2) @Dark_Soul20189 (With Data Manip. Disagree on Info 2) @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless (Agrees with everything, and Info Type 2 scaling via Prime Empire and not Digiverse) @Reiner04, @Theglassman12 @Antvasima (Agrees with everything, and Info Type 2 scaling via Prime Empire and not Digiverse)
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This is simple: Remove the Low 2-C ratings on Ninjago (This CRT was kinda required to be made)

Our current justification is:


The problem, like Mim has pointed it in the past, is that all the Realms have merged, which negates the argument that some people like me had that the Realms are still seperated. This is implied by Ras, stated/implied here, here and here by WoG, and Egalt refers the Merged Realms as a Universe.


4-C feats are still more consistant even at the time of DR. These feats should be instead to scale most of the DR profiles (such as everyone who scales to the Wolf Mask Warriors and the Forbidden 5). We already went over the GWs feat in another thread, but I just added it for context for the F5s thing
I agree. Finally the downgrade was made...
Change "Gifted" intelligence to "Genius" Intelligence for Sora: Sora is stated to be a talented inventor. She has created a Mech, Photacs and weapons capable of channeling Elemental Energy. One of her inventions, the Photacs, are indestructible beings made of hard light who don't need to sleep and are implied to never be able to deteroriate, as well as being completly immortal Her invention was so good that it was stated to be far more advanced than any project in her class. Her invention was so good that it impressed even Dr Larow, who is claimed to be a genius women capable of building tech to drain power out of dragons and convert it into energy to power up Imperium.
Isn’t this EG? I don’t think this is comparable to anything IRL.
Resistance negation and other fixes: Kai resistance negation should be upscaled to 1 layer due to the fact he was able to harm Anacondrai throught Fire later in the show, who were previously unfazed by it.
I agree.
Jay's Lightning potency should raised to 1.21 gigawatt due being consistanly stated here, here and here to be able to produce that much gigawatts
Pretty sure it’s a reference to Back to Future but given it’s consistent, it’s fine to me.
 
Excuse me, but can I ask you why you think this is info type 2 and not just data manipulation?

I am curious to see if we just interpreted it differently or if I missed something.
My internet connection keeps f***ing up.

Anyway, I more so was specifically thinking replacing Tier 2 stuff with Tier 4 ratings was good. As for the other proposals, I think Data Manipulation seems more likely.
 
Everything seems fine although rebooting the digiverse is just data manip and doesn't really qualify for info type 2.
 
Tbh, It seems to me like it's just data, and not Info type 2.
Well Undertale got Info Manip over reseting a virtual game universe (similar to what the Digiverse is), which is why I think it should be Info Type 2 here asw

Fundamental: These characters can manipulate information that serves as a fundamental building block of reality. This information is shown to compose reality similar to how data underlies a video game world,
 
why would it be layered resistance negation if it's not a resistance
chen(?) even says "thick hide", he's not IMMUNE to fire, he just has hide thick enough to resist its effects
if kai can harm people with that resistance later it means the fire's just hotter
layers are for abilities you cannot quantify (mind manip, for example) - burning some who already has a fire resistance is just hotter fire.
 
Well Undertale got Info Manip over reseting a virtual game universe (similar to what the Digiverse is), which is why I think it should be Info Type 2 here asw
I honestly hate comparing one verse to another for scaling, but this does not meet the requirements for Type 2 info. If Undertale is exactly the same as this, it should also be removed.


Edit - @DarkDragonMedeus disagrees with info Type 2. (He specifically only agreed to the downgrade of the cosmology and stated "data manipulation is more likely"
 
why would it be layered resistance negation if it's not a resistance
chen(?) even says "thick hide", he's not IMMUNE to fire, he just has hide thick enough to resist its effects
Kai already has baseline resist neg throught the Stone Warriors, Chen can resist Kai's fire and thus should resist Kai's resist neg in that moment
 
I honestly hate comparing one verse to another for scaling, but this does not meet the requirements for Type 2 info. If Undertale is exactly the same as this, it should also be removed.


Edit - @DarkDragonMedeus disagrees with info Type 2. (He specifically only agreed to the downgrade of the cosmology and stated "data manipulation is more likely"
Explain how it doesn't fit the definition
 
If Undertale is exactly the same as this, it should also be removed.
Undertale is Type 2 because of the world being canonically made of datas (aka the irl files of the game's folder), with characters being able to directly manipulate or delete these files in canon to obtain certain effects on their world, other than the narrative of the verse being heavily linked with the 4th wall.

Idk what is Ninjago's deal here, but if it's just a virtual world then I also disagree.
 
Undertale is Type 2 because of the world being canonically made of datas (aka the irl files of the game's folder), with characters being able to directly manipulate or delete these files in canon to obtain certain effects on their world, other than the narrative of the verse being heavily linked with the 4th wall.

Idk what is Ninjago's deal here, but if it's just a virtual world then I also disagree.
What's the differemce between a world made of data and Universal sized copy of Ninjago that's also implied to be working like a game?
 
What's the differemce between a world made of data and Universal sized copy of Ninjago that's also implied to be working like a game?
Information Type 2 is meant to make up reality itself to its very core, including stuff like space and time.

Data here I mean things like game worlds that are just that (like SAO).

Regardless if Ninjago has other things then ok, I just came here because I was notified that UT was mentioned and I came here to clarify the misconception.
 
My internet connection keeps f***ing up.

Anyway, I more so was specifically thinking replacing Tier 2 stuff with Tier 4 ratings was good. As for the other proposals, I think Data Manipulation seems more likely.
Is the EG rating thing and Jay lightning potency thing good?
 
I share the same view of DDM.

What do you think about that part since I changed it recently after DDM's input and Info Type 2 is already accepted in Unagami's profile (who is basically Prime Empire):

Digiverse itself is a Universe that functions like a game. Additionally, Nya quotes that the Digiverse is a copy of Ninjago as a whole:

Nya: Cyrus Borg even created a duplicate Ninjago in the Digiverse in hopes that one day everyone could leave their bodies and live there.
This should be supported by the fact he's able to tank blasts from Oni Garmadon, who's blast can erase all life (as explained in the Oni Page), which should include the people from Prime Empire (NPCs), a video game world
 
What do you think about that part since I changed it recently after DDM's input and Info Type 2 is already accepted in Unagami's profile (who is basically Prime Empire):
Im not familiar with the verse, but is there a reason to assume Oni Garmadon's EE would extend to the life/people present in Prime Empire, as opposed to simply all life from the normal universe/real world?
 
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Im not familiar with the verse, but is there a reason to assume Oni Garmadon's EE would extend to the life present in Prime Empire, as opposed to simply all life from the normal universe/real world?
Cuz the Onis wanted to jump every single Realms, and Prime Empire is located inside one of the Realms
 
Doesn't that imply that the whole Digiverse World is just a code?
Cyrus: Remember, I wrote the code, but he controls it. His turf, his rules. I'll do my best to keep you hidden from here, but the longer you go unnoticed, the better chance you have to succeed.
Overlord: You think you can come into my world and get rid of me?
 
Use the "disagree" section for votes that disagree or with what
I suppose IM2 is fine in this case then.
Just wanna clear this up: Digiverse is not an actual "universe structure" but rather just a digital world created in a server. So their is basically going into a Game/digital world though the use of transferring their couniceness into the system.

So the "World" is not an actual structure with Fundamental information, but rather just "data" like any other software.

So I would like to know if you still believe it qualifies as Type 2 information instead of just data?
 
Use the "disagree" section for votes that disagree or with what

Just wanna clear this up: Digiverse is not an actual "universe structure" but rather just a digital world created in a server. So their is basically going into a Game/digital world though the use of transferring their couniceness into the system.

So the "World" is not an actual structure with Fundamental information, but rather just "data" like any other software.

So I would like to know if you still believe it qualifies as Type 2 information instead of just data?
I know, which is why I didnt focus on the Digiverse argument but the Oni one. The argument is that the Oni's EE scales to Prime Empire, which is already accepted as Info Type 2.
 
I know, which is why I didnt focus on the Digiverse argument but the Oni one. The argument is that the Oni's EE scales to Prime Empire, which is already accepted as Info Type 2.
Tbh, it being accepted IM 2 is not actually correct in the first place, but was rather missed to be rejected and overlooked in another CRT. As you can see here, it was a massive CRT and was missed.

Edit - Wow my grammar is hot garbage
 
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