Akatsukiverse: General Discussion Thread

[TheShape03]

Cast the resurrection spell on this verse

General discussion thread for the Akatsukiverse.

By the way, it's been confirmed that a new season of Konosuba will be released.

 

[MidnightDawn1]

Well first thing first, 10-A Kazuma?

I can see not believing in 9-B Kazuma. But I saw 9-C as the minimum so I’m interested in the downgrade.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

I look forward to seeing these profiles get updated from their outdated state, as this verse needs lots of love

 

[TheShape03]

Well first thing first, 10-A Kazuma?

I can see not believing in 9-B Kazuma. But I saw 9-C as the minimum so I’m interested in the downgrade.

He was also capable of effortlessly dragging 200 kilograms of weight

Casually dragged and overpowered three adult males who were activley resisting his pull

That thing about Kazuma "dragging them" is a bad translation.

The official translation only says that he held them down, and only one of them tried to move away (unsuccessfully because Kazuma was stronger).

I'd actually like to know why the profile describes it as "Casually dragged and overpowered three adult males who were actively resisting his pull."

survive crashing out the second floor of a mansion with no injuries

Kazuma had been buffed by Aqua when that happened.

By the way, I'm working on new profiles for the group. Here's what I have for Kazuma so far.

 

[MidnightDawn1]

That thing about Kazuma "dragging them" is a bad translation.

The official translation only says that he held them down, and only one of them tried to move away (unsuccessfully because Kazuma was stronger).

I'd actually like to know why the profile describes it as "Casually dragged and overpowered three adult males who were actively resisting his pull."

Kazuma had been buffed by Aqua when that happened.

By the way, I'm working on new profiles for the group. Here's what I have for Kazuma so far.

Ah jeez who would say something like that (). But granted Kazuma still had to initially bring those 3 walking away from him back to him, and even one of them resisting and failing is still a good feat.

But the fall thing I agree, I ignored context assuming the buff wore off but there isn’t anything stating as such, funnily enough I was re-reading the chapter today so it’s nice.

But I’ll take a look at the page.

 

[TheShape03]

is a bad translation.

In fact, the reason why the God-Tiers were 8-B+ (I say they were because 6-B was already accepted) was also because of a bad translation by CGTranslation. What Kazuma says in the official translation is that Treasure Island is as big as a mountain and much, much bigger than Tokyo Dome.

Recalculating that, I got from High 7-C to 7-B.

 

[TheShape03]

But granted Kazuma still had to initially bring those 3 walking away from him back to him, and even one of them resisting and failing is still a good feat.

But I don't think it's enough for 9-C. Well, 10-A isn't so bad.

I look forward to seeing these profiles get updated from their outdated state, as this verse needs lots of love

I'm currently planning a fairly long update thread, hopefully having it ready next month.

I even have some arguments to take this verse to Relativistic/FTL.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

But I don't think it's enough for 9-C. Well, 10-A isn't so bad.

I'm currently planning a fairly long update thread, hopefully having it ready next month.

I even have some arguments to take this verse to Relativistic/FTL.

That Kazuma profile is looking really nice so far, and already revamped from the current one

It was always odd to see explosion stay the tier it was at, assuming it just stuck to the calc for the anime. What would the speed arguments come from?

 

[MidnightDawn1]

I like the page, it did always tick me how we just Kazuma at his end game tier which even retroactively affects other characters.

But yeah, Human level Pre-Volume 9 Kazuma I can’t really stand for.

In volume 1

he kills an Immobile Giant Toad with enough force smash its head in, fast enough that Aqua wouldn’t be swallowed.

Aqua, eaten by the frog, had one spasming leg dangling out of its mouth.

I drew my short sword and charged at the frog!

“Sob… Ugh, ugh– WAHHH…!”

Covered in sticky frog fluid, Aqua was hugging her knees while sitting on the ground before me, sobbing.

Beside her was the frog, its head smashed in.

A description of these toads

They were bigger than bulls. It was their mating season, so they were accumulating nutrition to lay eggs. They roamed around human settlements where food was more plentiful, swallowing goats raised by farmers in a single gulp.

As I was feeling moved by the power of Megumin’s spell,another frog slowly climbed out from underground, probably awakened by the shockwave and sound of the explosion.

I was thinking that without rain and a water source in the plains, the frogs would dry up under the hot sun. It turned out that they burrowed underground to avoid baking alive.

Larger than a bull (which can weigh upwards of 1000kg), large enough to swallow goats in a single gulp, strong enough to burrow themselves underground, can maintain pace (tho still falling behind) with Kazuma running at full speed.

Cross-scaling with Combatants. Even an elite, is shocked by them due to their size and later in that same story is surprised that they’re considered “small fry”

Thinking this mission will be easy peasy, it happened just when I carelessly let down my guard.

「This planet is abundant with water and greenery, I think that people will be able to thrive her-… Uwah!?」

Suddenly, the ground rose and an enormous frog came out.

There are no problems with finishing it off but if I left the corpse here, the nearby residents will be alerted to the fact that there’s someone capable of killing this gigantic creature.

「Damn it! To think that an elite such as myself has to retreat from a frog…!」

My main point here, is that that a toad of that magnitude even existing, is genuinely insane and the KE it produces to even move etc. alone puts it above a human level. Not that Kazuma should scale fully, but human level is insane.


Heck even in volume 4, Kazuma takes a punch from Darkness that was supposedly strong enough to bust through the wall of the hot springs.

And as a precaution, I activated Hide and placed my ear against the wall…!

“Now!”

“Pu!”

“Shya?”

My temple that was rested against the wall was hit by something, and I fell into the hot spring.

Darkness smashed through the wall with her powerful punch.

“What did I tell you? This man’s definitely here!”

“As I expected! My guess was spot on, he always looks at me with such lecherous eyes! How could that man full of lust not be in the mixed bath!”

I nursed my head painfully as I listened to the two of them boost their victory.

I’m sure there’s more, but minumum should be Athlete level.

 

[MidnightDawn1]

But I don't think it's enough for 9-C. Well, 10-A isn't so bad.

I'm currently planning a fairly long update thread, hopefully having it ready next month.

I even have some arguments to take this verse to Relativistic/FTL.

That’s fair, tbh I was desperate back then to get Kazuma up so I don’t mind conceding on a lot of stuff. But yeah using the LS for AP was outa line.


FTL is interesting is that using light of saber scaling and death ray?

 

[MidnightDawn1]

Scaling via Aqua is sly iffy. Since I’d argue that’s more a of a gag than genuine scaling. Remember Aqua could tank a bite from a rookie killer, so trying to actually scale Kazuma suggests he’s on the same eleven as that monster.

But yeah overall the page looks great, and I find it funny that you’re using the proper names, never knew Snipe was Deadeye

 

[TheShape03]

What would the speed arguments come from?

FTL is interesting is that using light of saber scaling and death ray?

Magical light behaves like real light; it is repeatedly described as blinding and reflects off reflective materials.

This would make any light beam of magical nature (Light of Saber, Sacred Exorcism, Vanir Death Ray, the light beam that produces an explosion before detonating on a target, etc.) real light.

In Volume 1, Kazuma and Beldia perceive the movement of these types of magical light beams; Beldia does not dodge them of her own volition. Then we have Vanir dodging Sacred Exorcism, Aqua reacting to the Vanir Death Ray, etc.

Scaling via Aqua is sly iffy. Since I’d argue that’s more a of a gag than genuine scaling. Remember Aqua could tank a bite from a rookie killer, so trying to actually scale Kazuma suggests he’s on the same eleven as that monster.

Kazuma can only consistently damage Aqua with his sword, hence the "Wall level with short sword/dagger." This would be consistent with the time he knocked out Mitsurugi with a sword blow, given that Mitsurugi is comparable to Aqua.

he kills an Immobile Giant Toad with enough force smash its head in, fast enough that Aqua wouldn’t be swallowed.

The giant toads are much stronger than Aqua, Kazuma kills it by stabbing its head and states that the reason he was able to do it is because the toad did not fight back (I don't have this last scan on imgur and I'm too lazy to upload it, so I'll just send a copy-paste).

I’d been able to kill the toad that swallowed Aqua mainly because Giant Toads stop moving when they swallow their prey. I never would have had the guts to go up against a toad that was happily hopping toward me to attack. - Volume 1, Chapter 1

Heck even in volume 4, Kazuma takes a punch from Darkness that was supposedly strong enough to bust through the wall of the hot springs.

The official translation says this, and I think it simply means the force of the blow reached the other side of the wall. Which is basically what happens in the other adaptations of the scene (manga and anime).

Then, just to be safe, I activated my Ambush skill and put my ear to the wall…! “Now!” “Hi-yah!” “Bwah?!” The sudden impact came straight through the wall and into my temple, sending me tumbling into the water. Darkness must have given the wall her best smack from the other side. “Did you hear that?! I knew he was there!” “Yeah! We had his number! That shameless ogling I feel from him every day! I knew someone with that much frustrated lust would wind up in the mixed bath!” - Volume 4, Chapter 3

EDIT: Also, it would be pretty odd if Kazuma was 10-A from the start. Considering he attributes his 10-A feat in Volume 10 (casually grabbing a guy and claiming he'd never lose to a normal human in strength) to his considerable level. That is to say that when he did not have that "considerable level" he could have lost.

 

[TheShape03]

By the way, the profiles I'm reworking originally had renders from the anime, but I realized the anime is different enough from the novel that it will get its own profiles in the future.

And I found the complete original web novel recently (I uploaded it to mediafire).

 

[MidnightDawn1]

Magical light behaves like real light; it is repeatedly described as blinding and reflects off reflective materials.

This would make any light beam of magical nature (Light of Saber, Sacred Exorcism, Vanir Death Ray, the light beam that produces an explosion before detonating on a target, etc.) real light.

In Volume 1, Kazuma and Beldia perceive the movement of these types of magical light beams; Beldia does not dodge them of her own volition. Then we have Vanir dodging Sacred Exorcism, Aqua reacting to the Vanir Death Ray, etc.


Kazuma can only consistently damage Aqua with his sword, hence the "Wall level with short sword/dagger." This would be consistent with the time he knocked out Mitsurugi with a sword blow, given that Mitsurugi is comparable to Aqua.

The giant toads are much stronger than Aqua, Kazuma kills it by stabbing its head and states that the reason he was able to do it is because the toad did not fight back (I don't have this last scan on imgur and I'm too lazy to upload it, so I'll just send a copy-paste).



The official translation says this, and I think it simply means the force of the blow reached the other side of the wall. Which is basically what happens in the other adaptations of the scene (manga and anime).


EDIT: Also, it would be pretty odd if Kazuma was 10-A from the start. Considering he attributes his 10-A feat in Volume 10 (casually grabbing a guy and claiming he'd never lose to a normal human in strength) to his considerable level. That is to say that when he did not have that "considerable level" he could have lost.

I get the reasoning but in that case Kazuma should be Hypersonic (or more idk how that lightening is) with auto-evasion. But the main reason is we don’t have much reason to assume it moves as fast as real lightning (we just know it’s fast per the Demon Kings statement)

My main two arguments would be

1. Lightening strike is a spell that draws lightening from the sky, there’s no reason to debate this being as fast as real world lightening. So maybe other magical lightening spells have the same properties.

2. Light of refraction is magic that bend actual light. So maybe other light magic do use real world light.

Edit: nvm. The auto-evasion feat may not hold up. Because I remember Kazuma was buffed by both Erie and Aqua.

It’s annoying how many feats this guy has where him being buffed invalidates his base

But if you add “with buff” key then that can be added.

 

[MidnightDawn1]

IIRC the Toads aren’t nessecsrily stringer than Aqua it’s more so this woman doesn’t use weapons.

So her attacks don’t work against the fat shock absorbing bodies of the toads. I also think her being the goddess of water and the toads being amphibious also has something to play with that.

This isn’t me saying Aqua ain’t strong, she is, in fact she’s the only character that has the same skill set and strength level from beginning to end. So she’s a power scaling constant lmao.

—/

But imagine something as heavy as a car , have a cheap short sword in your hand and split its head open. A thing that large just by moving is producing crazy KE, it needs to be strong enough to handle its own energy or it would just die.

 

[TheShape03]

Edit: nvm. The auto-evasion feat may not hold up. Because I remember Kazuma was buffed by both Erie and Aqua.

For the moment at least Aqua and Vanir could be Relativistic or FTL level, Darkness probably too considering Vanir was possessing her body when dodging Sacred Exorcism.

IIRC the Toads aren’t nessecsrily stringer than Aqua it’s more so this woman doesn’t use weapons.

It is explicitly stated that Aqua lacks the power to harm them, and the toads regularly overpower her with their tongues and mouths.

But imagine something as heavy as a car , have a cheap short sword in your hand and split its head open. A thing that large just by moving is producing crazy KE, it needs to be strong enough to handle its own energy or it would just die.

Giant toads aren't actually that heavy (for some reason the anime made them much larger than they are in the novel). Piercing damage does exist anyway; it's much easier to damage something with a sharp object specifically made for cutting flesh (Kazuma also describes his sword as heavy, so it's not exactly a weak weapon either). This is because it's a considerable amount of energy compressed into a small area (which is also sharp). People in real life kill 9-C/9-B animals with bullets and knives for that very reason.

Another toad also died from an arrow to the head in volume 3 (Arrows have KE 10-A, while even knives are 9-C when wielded by normal people), so Kazuma could have simply killed it by stabbing its head while the toad didn't fight back because it was busy swallowing a self-proclaimed goddess.

 

[MidnightDawn1]

For the moment at least Aqua and Vanir could be Relativistic or FTL level, Darkness probably too considering Vanir was possessing her body when dodging Sacred Exorcism.


It is explicitly stated that Aqua lacks the power to harm them, and the toads regularly overpower her with their tongues and mouths.


Giant toads aren't actually that heavy (for some reason the anime made them much larger than they are in the novel). Piercing damage does exist anyway; it's much easier to damage something with a sharp object specifically made for cutting flesh (Kazuma also describes his sword as heavy, so it's not exactly a weak weapon either). This is because it's a considerable amount of energy compressed into a small area (which is also sharp). People in real life kill 9-C/9-B animals with bullets and knives for that very reason.

Another toad also died from an arrow to the head in volume 3 (Arrows have KE 10-A, while even knives are 9-C when wielded by normal people), so Kazuma could have simply killed it by stabbing its head while the toad didn't fight back because it was busy swallowing a self-proclaimed goddess.

I suppose, but we know fiction takes liberties with stuff like lasers and lightening. But since Natsume wrote Sentouin (which makes it clear that stuff like lasers, bullets etc. are very fast and handling them is a big feat) then you can argue that Konosuba would have an understanding of these things unlike other fictional stories.



Aqua lacking the power is due to them being tanky.

“Feel the wrath of a goddess! You dare to oppose a goddess!? Repent in hell! God Blow!”

I remembered the staff member in the guild telling me that physical attacks weren’t effective against giant frogs.

Her fist sunk into the soft abdomen, while the frog seemed unaffected…

That’s the reason weapons are used. Unless you believe that Katsagari could punch one of them and they’d die, but then Aqua can punch Mitsubushi and he’ll be damaged, which doesn’t align with her not being able to beat the frogs.

So that’s why I don’t believe it’s a matter of strength but the frogs are quiet simply just a bad-matchup for Aqua.



The calculation is interesting. But I’m not buying it, the toads are plain stated to be larger than bulls. No omniverse where they weigh 67KG.

 

[TheShape03]

that’s the reason weapons are used. Unless you believe that Katsagari could punch one of them and they’d die, but then Aqua can punch Mitsubushi and he’ll be damaged, which doesn’t align with her not being able to beat the frogs.

So that’s why I don’t believe it’s a matter of strength but the frogs are quiet simply just a bad-matchup for Aqua.

While it's true that Aqua's inability to harm the frogs in the first volume has to do with their body fat protecting them from physical attacks,

We’d heard that their thick layer of fat protected them from physical attacks. - Volume 1, Chapter 1.

these monsters aren't low-level simply because they're weaker than the adventurers, but because it's implied that anyone with light armor (including Kazuma) could defeat them because the toads would refuse to eat them (Which is basically their only method of attack).

Then again, we’d also heard that because Giant Toads hate metal, if you wore even just a tiny bit of armor you could avoid being eaten, so they weren’t so hard to deal with after all. - Volume 1, Chapter 1.

It is even said that they are easy for anyone to stab.

“No more toads!” Megumin and Aqua interrupted in unison. “…Why not? They’re easy to stab with a bladed weapon, which makes them easy to kill. Their only attack is to try to grab you with their tongue. You can sell the carcass as a consumable, so you can make good money on them. You might get eaten if you’re wearing only thin armor, but they hate metal, so I assume Kazuma wouldn’t be targeted the way he’s dressed now. As for you two, Aqua and Megumin, I’ll act as a shield for you.” - Volume 1, Chapter 2.

Edit: I just noticed that Darkness here basically states everything I've been saying, toads can easily devour main characters (i.e. they are stronger), but they are weak to cutting weapons and have no way to defend themselves against those wearing armor.

We can't just ignore how the Toads regularly overpower the cast and they need outside help to escape. And as I've already explained, slashing attacks are much more effective due to the small area of effect, and there's no evidence that you need to be a 10-A or 9-C to stab a monster in the back with a heavy, sharp weapon—a monster that can be killed even by arrows and won't defend itself.

This doesn't even have that much to do with the Toad's Tier, but rather with the fact that you don't need to be higher than 10-B to stab flesh with a sword, plus Kazuma has it even easier because the toad doesn't defend itself.

So that’s why I don’t believe it’s a matter of strength but the frogs are quiet simply just a bad-matchup for Aqua.

This is true; Aqua not only lacks armor, but she also doesn't have a sword. But that doesn't negate the fact that the toads have proven to be stronger than her, and the only reason the toads are easy to defeat, even for novices, is because they refuse to eat anyone with even a bit of metal on them and because they're easy to stab.

By the way, what do you think about eventually bringing over profiles from the anime or web novel? In the anime, Megumin's explosions could easily reach Tier 7 in the beginning and Tier 6 post-movie.

 

[TheShape03]

The calculation is interesting. But I’m not buying it, the toads are plain stated to be larger than bulls. No omniverse where they weigh 67KG.

These frogs—sorry, toads—were bigger than cows. - Volume 1, Chapter 1.

He says they are bigger than cows, not heavier. According to my calculations, the Toad would be 1.54 meters tall. A cow's height is roughly the same, according to a quick internet search.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Oh yeah, the toads are much larger in the anime.

Btw what are the LN anime differences that would warrant them separated? Or are do we mean WN and anime? Cause yeah those two are much different

Also if that is the WN posted, very clutch. Ive been wanting to read that. Assuming its not translasted cause that thing was wiped from so many places

 

[TheShape03]

Btw what are the LN anime differences that would warrant them separated?

The anime tends to omit various things, even entire chapters from the novel. The only example that comes to mind right now is the chapter where Kazuma switches teams with Dust.

It also tends to change small things like the whole Arnes bracelet thing in the Megumin spin-off, the way they defeated Hans, the way the battle against The Destroyer unfolds, Megumin's explosions, etc.

The anime also tends to add things that weren't in the LN. The second half of the movie is something original to the anime, for example.

So, clearly, the anime and the LN aren't the same continuity. I think it's worth profiling the anime characters because they would have different levels than the novel. Most of the feats are better in the anime, including Megumin's explosions. The anime also has its own feats that didn't happen in the LN, like Darkness destroying rocks (calculated at 8-C, I think), there's no Scaling with Sentouin, etc.

Also if that is the WN posted, very clutch. Ive been wanting to read that. Assuming its not translasted cause that thing was wiped from so many places

Yes, it's not translated. The site where I found it is like a Japanese Wayback Machine or something like that; the links take you to a copy of the original web novel page. You can still translate the entire page with the translator, although the translation isn't the best.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

The anime tends to omit various things, even entire chapters from the novel. The only example that comes to mind right now is the chapter where Kazuma switches teams with Dust.

It also tends to change small things like the whole Arnes bracelet thing in the Megumin spin-off, the way they defeated Hans, the way the battle against The Destroyer unfolds, Megumin's explosions, etc.

The anime also tends to add things that weren't in the LN. The second half of the movie is something original to the anime, for example.

Oh yeah, it's been a bit since I read the novel but the dust one is the easiest example of something not included in the anime. Even though I'd say it's pretty big in terms of establishing why Kazuma and his party fit together. Plus, why Dust now respects Kazuma more and doesn't feel "envious"...this is also a thing in the later arcs. So no idea where they'll put it in the anime. (Or just not include it at all ig). I also remember Claire being a little bit meaner to Kazuma during the party in the LN lol

The destroyer, my mind recalls stuff being different but can't exactly remember what. I remember the drain touch scene being a little different, forgot the rest. This makes me want to read the novel a third time...not the spin offs though, fine with reading those once. (Dusts was pretty good, the ending was a little out of my liking, but the author basically admitted he changed from his original idea to stay with the princess)

 

[TheShape03]

Oh yeah, it's been a bit since I read the novel but the dust one is the easiest example of something not included in the anime.

They could have adapted all of that to the anime by just making one more episode, and also taking the opportunity to adapt the mission where the group meets Wiz instead of showing a 10-second flashback.

The destroyer, my mind recalls stuff being different but can't exactly remember what.

In the novel, the adventurers fight numerous golems when they board the Destroyer. And we have this clear demonstration of high intelligence from our protagonist. If I recall correctly, unlike in the anime, Kazuma tries to remove the coronatite from its container with Steal and burns his hand. He was particularly foolish on that mission.

 

[MidnightDawn1]

WN Kazuma pretty broken tho, since he doesn’t have drain touch but rather the undead kings hand, with one of the status effects being drain touch (which he gets thanks to his luck).

So he can level reset, paralyse, etc.

 

[MidnightDawn1]

I agree with the dust and wiz shit, when they adapted the Dust lingerie scene, I assumed they’d briefly touch over how Kazuma and Dust met (maybe even hint as Dusts past to build hype). But nah, weird too as they went back and adapted the fireplace talk from volume 5 since that was cut from the movie.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

They could have adapted all of that to the anime by just making one more episode, and also taking the opportunity to adapt the mission where the group meets Wiz instead of showing a 10-second flashback.


In the novel, the adventurers fight numerous golems when they board the Destroyer. And we have this clear demonstration of high intelligence from our protagonist. If I recall correctly, unlike in the anime, Kazuma tries to remove the coronatite from its container with Steal and burns his hand. He was particularly foolish on that mission.

I agree they could have like seriously, not even the whole thing just even a brief moment, it's weird. And ooh THATS what I was forgetting. I remember Kazuma burned his hands, but once I finished like all Konosuba media I went to the fanfics; I found a really good one that so well written in Konosuba terms, almost mixed it up for the real one before

WN Kazuma pretty broken tho, since he doesn’t have drain touch but rather the undead kings hand, with one of the status effects being drain touch (which he gets thanks to his luck).

So he can level reset, paralyse, etc.

Wth isn't this basically like Wiz's touch in the LN? Where she applies a random status effect, but with level reset too..

 

[MidnightDawn1]

Wth isn't this basically like Wiz's touch in the LN? Where she applies a random status effect, but with level reset too..

Yep, the way Kazuma found out about the level reset skill point glitch was that he used it on Mitsubishi after beating him early on.

Later in the WN, Katagari comes to Kazuma asking if he can do it again as it helped him learn more skills (since he kept his skills and got level up quick again) so Kazuma abuses it for himself (basically the same as the LN from thst point)

 

[TheShape03]

Magical light behaves like real light; it is repeatedly described as blinding and reflects off reflective materials.

This would make any light beam of magical nature (Light of Saber, Sacred Exorcism, Vanir Death Ray, the light beam that produces an explosion before detonating on a target, etc.) real light.

In Volume 1, Kazuma and Beldia perceive the movement of these types of magical light beams; Beldia does not dodge them of her own volition. Then we have Vanir dodging Sacred Exorcism, Aqua reacting to the Vanir Death Ray, etc.

Hey now that I think about it, doesn't the fact that attacks like Lightning Strike (which is an attack that moves at the speed of natural lightning) being an attack that represents a problem for the characters in the series make Relativistic/FTL somewhat inconsistent?

And I was in a good mood when I re-read Zoku Bakuen Vol 2 and noticed that Kazuma dodged attacks from a monster that dodged a magic light attack.

 

[MidnightDawn1]

Hey now that I think about it, doesn't the fact that attacks like Lightning Strike (which is an attack that moves at the speed of natural lightning) being an attack that represents a problem for the characters in the series make Relativistic/FTL somewhat inconsistent?

And I was in a good mood when I re-read Zoku Bakuen Vol 2 and noticed that Kazuma dodged attacks from a monster that dodged a magic light attack.

Then it’s likely that light based magic doesn’t move at the actual speed of light?

Do you have a scan of the scene or a link?

 

[TheShape03]

Then it’s likely that light based magic doesn’t move at the actual speed of light?

It's likely. I was going to argue that magical light must be real light, because magical light is described as blinding and reflects off reflective materials. But given that there are magical attacks based on natural lightning (which is hundreds of times slower than light), it wouldn't make sense for such an attack to pose a problem for characters near the speed of light.

Do you have a scan of the scene or a link?

From Kazuma's feat?

• Here, the monster (called Crystal Liger) dodges Light of Saber.
• Here, Kazuma dodges its attacks.

 

[MidnightDawn1]

From Kazuma's feat?

• Here, the monster (called Crystal Liger) dodges Light of Saber.
• Here, Kazuma dodges its attacks.

Yeah FTL Kazuma is crazy

 

[TheShape03]

Does Kazuma really need a key for his buffed self in his profile? Not only is it something he doesn't obtain by himself or whenever he wants, but his power depends on how many goddesses buff him and what kind of buffs he receives. The only person who has scaling with a buffed Kazuma is Seresdina, but it would be enough to change her justification to "she received a flying kick from Kazuma when he was buffed by Aqua" and link Aqua's profile (where it does show that her buffs are 8-C).

I really don't like how the profile looks with that key.

 

[MidnightDawn1]

Does Kazuma really need a key for his buffed self in his profile? Not only is it something he doesn't obtain by himself or whenever he wants, but his power depends on how many goddesses buff him and what kind of buffs he receives. The only person who has scaling with a buffed Kazuma is Seresdina, but it would be enough to change her justification to "she received a flying kick from Kazuma when he was buffed by Aqua" and link Aqua's profile (where it does show that her buffs are 8-C).

I really don't like how the profile looks with that key.

Just because it’s not something he can gain on his own doesn’t invalidate it as a power-up. The implication in using his key is just assuming he was buffed before the fight occurs.

We’ve only seen Eris buff him twice, once in the battle with DK and last time in the epilogue. We know that Eris is weaker than Aqua overall, so we just assume the strongest forms of buffs which are the ones he received from Aqua.

But yeah it doesn’t necessarily need to be a key, so I get your point. Would “8-C with Buffs, Higher when Stacked” be good you think?

But the main reason it’s a key, is Kazuma can have access to higher tier match-ups I’ll be real lmao

 

[MidnightDawn1]

Also damn, I was just re-reading volume 7. But I don’t think Darkness supporting the weight of the hydra is valid as she was buffed by Aqua.

 

[TheShape03]

Also damn, I was just re-reading volume 7. But I don’t think Darkness supporting the weight of the hydra is valid as she was buffed by Aqua.

Don't worry, her strength can still be Class M due to scaling above Katsuragi.

 

[MidnightDawn1]

Don't worry, her strength can still be Class M due to scaling above Katsuragi.

Mitsubishi came in clutch.

 

[TheShape03]

I just remembered something. Combat Agent Twenty-Two tried to hit Darkness with all his might, and she not only didn't move, but she didn't feel anything. Darkness can feel pain from Kazuma's blows from the beginning of the series.

So... 8-C+ Kazuma? (Dreaming costs nothing)

 

[MidnightDawn1]

I just remembered something. Combat Agent Twenty-Two tried to hit Darkness with all his might, and she not only didn't move, but she didn't feel anything. Darkness can feel pain from Kazuma's blows from the beginning of the series.

So... 8-C+ Kazuma? (Dreaming costs nothing)

I am unbelievabley confident that the context Kazuma hit darkness in was comedic

 

[TheShape03]

I am unbelievabley confident that the context Kazuma hit darkness in was comedic

“N-nothing… I simply couldn’t stand to look at the young lord’s face anym— Hrrgh!” Down again, this time red up to her ears. “Young Lady Darkness has been feeling ill to her stomach since this morning. Oh, Darkness! If you have a stomachache, you shouldn’t overexert yourself!” “What? Th-that’s not—” Darkness, embarrassed, tried to deny Aqua’s improvised remark. I nudged Aqua, whose bit of ad-libbing caused more problems than it solved, and said, “Our young lady has been in a tizzy of excitement since this morning in anticipation of meeting Lord Balter. Observe our young lady’s countenance! She is quite crimson with modesty!” “I-indeed, my face is red… How e-embarrassing…” I leaned a little harder on my foot and whispered so only Darkness could hear —as I crushed her foot under the table: “Okay, Young Lady? Any more shenanigans and I’ll stomp even harder.” I wasn’t completely sure Darkness had heard me, but with strained breath, she muttered, “…Y-you’ll pay for this…”

“Milady Lalatina, do you have any hobbies?” While we stood there, quite taken by the lake, Balter asked the kind of inane question usually required for a get-together like this.“Oh, I’ve always been rather fond of goblin hunti— Grrrg!” I jabbed an elbow into Darkness’s ribs as she began to run her mouth. Balter responded with a crooked smile and a **** of the head. I had, after all, been staying abnormally close to Darkness all day.

I mean, most of the fights in KonoSuba are filled with comedy. Kazuma technically doesn't hurt her enough to be comparable to her, he only causes momentary pain. I just thought I could argue this since, unlike things like "Kazuma damaging Aqua with his fists," this technically doesn't contradict the scaling chain. Kazuma would still be far inferior to Darkness, but superior to Combat Agent Twenty-Two under the argument "Agent Twenty-Two can't cause Darkness the slightest pain, but Kazuma can."

The scaling chain based on that reasoning would go something like this: Darkness > Aqua > Megumin > Kazuma > Combat Agent Twenty-Two

It's just a bit disappointing that Kazuma doesn't make it past Tier 10. The only thing I can think of to try to raise his tier, aside from what I said above, is to try to calculate the KE of the Ninnin's blows (whose limbs are made of metal and whose blows are faster than Kazuma).

 

[TheShape03]

This may sound silly, but would it count as "breaking the fourth wall" for characters to introduce themselves at the beginning of some volumes, or for characters to give previews at the end of some volumes about what will happen in the next volume?

We also have Kazuma as the narrator, which means he knows someone is reading.