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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers
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MysticMania
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Hi Omni-Man
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StarShooter80
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Should the Supreme End have power null for being able to knock Sonic out of super form? Or is that just it being real strong
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Being real strong
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I dunno. Knuckles should though (Which would give Mecha Sonic MK. II resistance to it i think, unless it's done by extracting the Chaos Emeralds from the user's possession)
Unless it's just Hammerspace Manipulation, Sonic also knocked the chaos emerald out of Eggman's hammerspace
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Knocking out the chaos emeralds shouldn’t be enough cuz SS would still have chaos energy, so probably not hammerspace manipulation.
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It shouldn't have anything from it.
The instability with Sonic's Super Form stems from the weakness he has wielding Cyber Corruption; it being that the power isn't suited for Sonic's form, as Master King noted.
So it's the instability caused by excessive use of power wielding Cyber Corruption while in his Super State (which is supported by the fact that the Death Ball struggle is the only time both of Sonic's forms "short-circuit").
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Could this be Durability Negation or is it too vague?
"A high kick that cuts through anything it touches!"
"A high kick that cuts through anything it touches!"
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Fair enough, how does that explain stuff like Sonic getting knocked out of his super form by things like the Advance 2 machine exploding?
MysticMania
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Explaining that might also require explaining how Vanilla tanked it I think. That's difficult really.
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If he ran out of energy, isn’t that an anti feat for infinite energy Super forms.
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OR probably he just detransformed himself anyway
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It would be that the energy that sustains that form is unrelated to the actual manifested power. Not uncommon in fiction. In marvel Odin can, like, warp infinite universes and be literally described as having infinite power that can be used to reach the farthest places of Eternity, and still needs Odin-sleep to recharge every now and then (Currently, Thor since he is the All-father).
So yeah, Super Sonic can still be "infinite" and have a timelimit related to some vague idea of energy.
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Does that apply to Knuckles, or does he have a power null that only works specifically on super forms (and not chaos energy fueled beings in general)
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Knuckles probably used the ME power null to undo Sonic's form.
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Right, guess he shrunk it to fit in his pocket or smthn.
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Wouldn't that sorta be headcanon? It sounds like a good guess, but both the game and IDW never show or imply such a thing happening.
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It’s either that or Knuckles can inexplicably power null super forms with his punches, or being caught off guard and hit negates super forms
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I feel that IS a bit bullshit, It IS more easy to just explain It this "the Chaos emeralds are like batteries, they are infinitely recargable and have Infinite energy, and even if they run out of energy, they can still have Infinite energy"
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I don't think the Super Form has an exact time limit. Just a very vague one that's inconsistently portrayed.
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It's already contradicted because Super Sonic's profile in Sonic Channel states the form takes a lot of energy to maintain.
BlastX
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Why would he detransform voluntarily while he's trying to prevent the capsule from crashing into the earth and why does he look dazzled when he detransforms? It literally makes no sense at all.
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this is Sonic the hedgehog, he pretty much can take that fall and save Vanilla
MysticMania
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Yeah, but, if he's falling and someone's life is at stake I honestly don't think he'd detransform for fun.
MysticMania
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I honestly just mark Knuckles' Super fights in 3, and the Advance 2 moment as outliers. If Knuckles could nullify the Emeralds' power without needing the Master Emerald nearby, then the events of many Sonic games (3 included) would probably go differently. And even with that he still somehow fought against a Super form at the end of 3 and won, and the Advance 2 example still doesn't make sense to me, honestly.
That's what I think, at least.
That's what I think, at least.
MysticMania
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Oh yeah, and if it ends up being canon, DC X Sonic actually does clarify that the only thing capable of nullifying the Emeralds is the Master Emerald. I like the idea of Knuckles being able to connect to it from a range, but with the various story beats that wouldn't work well if he could + Knuckles himself saying it'd require the Master Emerald, I think I disagree with the idea of him being able to null the Emeralds' power himself/directly.
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Maybe super forms are just weak to being caught off guard.
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That doesn't even make sense, Sonic is supposed to be able to sense danger with his quills.
ShakeResounding
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Not this slop-tier argument...
No, that's Movies only and any notion of this in the games is headcanon. I don't care how many times people bring it up to you on Reddit or wherever you argue, respectfully.
If Super Forms had this weakness, many boss battles in the series would have been cut short. It doesn't take longer than 3 seconds of thought to dismiss this imo
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Are all of Solaris' haxes 6-D (asking mainly for his Death Manipulation) due to his HDE?
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No because none of the stuff Solaris is affecting besides space time extends to 6-D.
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Knuckles gets his shit wrecked if you use Super Sonic at his boss fight, it was an outlier in the very same game he appears in.
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