New AP justification for Android 17 and Super 17 (Dragon Ball GT)

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Hello, well. I'm actually very surprised as of how no one ever did notice this feat.

Anyways, the main aim of this thread is to add a new feat for the Dragon Ball GT continuity.


Let's start off by the fact that in the episodie 42 of Dragon Ball GT, both, Hellfighter 17 and regular 17 power up (The two powered by hell itself aswell).


17 powered by hell here:







And then, both fuse their auras/energy and further opened the hole that was in the sky prior:










Now, some of you may think they just opened the gates of hell or just created a portal that lets the people travel between the two dimensions, however it's been reiterated over and over in the show that it isn't only that and effectively the Afterlife and the living world became as one and/or that both realms got stuck together:

Stated by 17 himself:












Stated by Kaiosama:








Stated by Shenlong, being one of the primary reasons as of why the shadow dragons appeared:









It's confirmed by Dr Myu the feat was done by their own energy/power:

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Now, we know the feat had long lasting consequences such as the villians Goku defeated in the past coming back to life, aswell as the shadow dragons appearing as I previously pointed out above:

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NOW, for the people that may want more context of this feat, here is a video on how it was done:

Android and HFIL fighter 17 Power-up

I made this with Movie maker (Yes a mother ******* editing software)And I decided why not make a video of my favorite villain of DBGTSubscribe to my other ch...

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CONCLUSION:

Now, this means the two effectively merged two space-time continuums, altho the afterlife itself contains dimensions such as hell and Heaven (Which its been stated to be as wide as the mortal Universe).

So, I propose the rating of this feat to be 2-C (Low Multiverse level). And thus characters like Super 17 and above should upscale from them.

 

[RedReaper616]

I WAS LOOKING EVERYWHERE FOR THE SHENRON STATEMENT FOR MY THREAD

COULDN’T FIND IT

TURNS OUT IT WAS AT THE END

GODDAMNIT

Anyway, seems pretty straightforward. I never brought it up because it wasn’t really relevant beyond being an additional feat to the already 2-C characters (who scale to the whole Macrocosm thanks to Buuhan).

 

[KingTempest]

... why is this counted as merging universes through applicable AP? They literally said in your scan that they just... opened the gates of hell

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

... why is this counted as merging universes through applicable AP? They literally said in your scan that they just... opened the gates of hell

Stated to be done by their own raw power and later on it's also stated several times that both worlds became as one/got stuck together, thus both Space-time continuums shouldve merged aswell, not just the gates. Had long lasting consequences such as the dragons appearing or dead villians reviving

 

[RedReaper616]

I dunno about their Space-Times, actually. Canonically Otherworld lacks one, and it’s more like the Dimensional Barrier has been removed to a degree that the realms are one. It’s still just one really big portal, after all.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

I dunno about their Space-Times, actually. Canonically Otherworld lacks one, and it’s more like the Dimensional Barrier has been removed to a degree that the realms are one. It’s still just one really big portal, after all.

Yeah, but it's been stated multiple times both worlds were merging, in context. Sure, you can see the portal, but context matters in this and long lasting consequences of both merge too, villians didn't magically revive after all. Also, it's known the Afterlife is a separated space-time from the living world unless i'm missing something

 

[KingTempest]

Stated to be done by their own raw power and later on it's also stated several times that both worlds became as one/got stuck together, thus both Space-time continuums shouldve merged aswell, not just the gates. Had long lasting consequences such as the dragons appearing or dead villians reviving

It can be done by their raw power but that doesn't mean that they're merging universes. It can just mean that they're... opening a door through their raw power. The exact same way you can "merge" the ROSAT and the living world by... opening a door.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I suppose this is just a weaker version of the Buuhan feat. Without the collapse.

 

[RedReaper616]

I suppose this is just a weaker version of the Buuhan feat. Without the collapse.

Yeah, it’s literally that. They’re distorting the dimensional membrane like Buuhan did with raw power.

Also, Piccolo and Dende replicate the feat on a much lesser level, so scaling above it is valid. That said, it’s pretty clear that synchronicity is involved to make it work, so wouldn’t you split the feat in half and spread it across the two?

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

It can be done by their raw power but that doesn't mean that they're merging universes. It can just mean that they're... opening a door through their raw power. The exact same way you can "merge" the ROSAT and the living world by... opening a door.

Again, they are literally merging both space-times.

Just becouse a portal appears still doesn't deny the feat itself, in the context it's been reitereted several times the living world and Afterlife got stuck and/or are merging, not only gates. If it was as simple as a portal, then dead people coming back to life and/or dragon balls being affected wouldn't be a thing.

In a feat not only a visual representation matters, context and statements too tho.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Yeah, it’s literally that. They’re distorting the dimensional membrane like Buuhan did with raw power.

Also, Piccolo and Dende replicate the feat on a much lesser level, so scaling above it is valid. That said, it’s pretty clear that synchronicity is involved to make it work, so wouldn’t you split the feat in half and spread it across the two?

Ngl, I don't think it's weaker than Buuhan's, actually the opposite...but anyways, I knew this wouldn't be that easy...

 

[RedReaper616]

Ngl, I don't think it's weaker than Buuhan's, actually the opposite...but anyways, I knew this wouldn't be that easy...

I mean, Buuhan’s was affecting the whole Macrocosm. The 17s only affected the Mortal Universe and Otherworld. It is categorically lesser.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

This is just regular portal creation.

 

[KingTempest]

It's deadass just portal creation. They ain't merge anything

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

It's deadass just portal creation. They ain't merge anything

But it's been verbatim stated they did. Like, literally I could see the entire episodie here where all the characters state it over and over that the two universes are becoming as one.

Pay attention to the context aswell

 

[KingTempest]

But it's been verbatim stated they did. Like, literally I could see the entire episodie here where all the characters state it over and over that the two universes are becoming as one.

Pay attention to the context aswell

There is a difference between merging universes and just opening a path between them which causes them to become "one".

They did not get 2 universes and merge them. They manipulated the barrier between them, creating a ****** portal that allowed everyone to do so.

Everything you're saying is repetitive. I've watched GT. I know the context. I disagree w/ this thread

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

There is a difference between merging universes and just opening a path between them which causes them to become "one".

They did not get 2 universes and merge them. They manipulated the barrier between them, creating a ****** portal that allowed everyone to do so.

Everything you're saying is repetitive. I've watched GT. I know the context. I disagree w/ this thread

Ok i give up, seems like everyone here uninamously disagrees.

Apologise for wasting everyone's here, I guess.

You can close this

 

[Nierre]

sorry about that mate