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The preface
Before I start, I'd like to say why I don't want to scale these feats from Daryl Dixon series to rest of characters.
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1. As I said in this thread, I think Daryl should have a separate key for his spin-off
Thread 'TWD return to 9-B? Or something else?' https://vsbattles.com/threads/twd-return-to-9-b-or-something-else.174429/
2. I will also insist on a key (spin-off) for Maggie and Negan. Dead City S2 is coming out soon. So why do I want these characters to have separate keys for the spin-offs? Because these spin-offs are happening or will happen in future seasons at some time interval from main series. characters become more experienced and stronger. Budget for spin-offs is increasing, quality is getting better and number of action scenes is increasing. Directors need to surprise the audience somehow and keep their attention. Accordingly, new types of walkers appear in spin-offs such as: walker king (Dead City), stone walker (The Ones Who Live), or super walkers (Daryl Dixon). More action scenes and fights with main characters. More superhuman level moments. Let's say we get wall level feat from Daryl Dixon season 3 or Dead City season 2, but we won't be able to use them because main series has a bunch of anti-feats in it, although there aren' in new spin-offs. That's not right for me.
Current TWD spin-offs are not like main TWD series. I don't want to scale feats from spin-offs to main series.
So TWD main series needs AP and speed feats
[Attack Potency]
Current TWD Street level+ scaling to high end of breaking bones is not very correct and thread of downgrading has already been raised.
Accepted calcs
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(3:21) Rick busted doors open
(0:06) Beta busted door open
What should require thus much energy
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4,5 KJ range for TWD. Who scales?
Beta, Post-Timeskip Daryl, Post and Pre-Timeskip Negan (Post-Timeskip Daryl traded blows with Carver)
(0:52) Post-Timeskip Negan can withstand blows from Carver and Daryl
(3:42)
Pre-Timeskip Negan comporable, if not stronger than his Post-Timeskip version and can harm those, who can harm him (Rick and Negan fights)
continue scaling chain: Rick Grimes Pre CRM, Merle Dixon (traded blows with Daryl and knocked down Rick), Glene (2:56 can harm Merle fight headbutt and withstand his blows)
Abraham (0:30 traded blows with Glenn)
Governor, Shane, Michonne (0:21 can harm Merle, Fight and withstand blows from Governor, (4:15) Knocked out Rick with one blow)
Jesus Paul Rovia, Dwight
(I'm not touching on Carl, Maggie, and Morgan because these profiles need more reworking (adding new keys, abilities). I would like them to be deleted. It was easier for me to create them from scratch with correct stats)
Post CRM Rick should be At least Street level. Since he must be get stronger after CRM training
(0:37) And can harm Pearl Thorne
(1:47) Who survived after massive explosion
[Speed]
Accepted calcs
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Characters scales to Peak Human c/r speeds. Who scales: Rick Grimes Pre CRM, Negan Pre Post-Timeskip, Daryl Pre-Timeskip, Shane Walsh, Merle Dixon, Governor, Michonne, Glenn, Abraham
Who scales to At least Peak Human c/r speeds
Jesus Paul Rovia (shown be superior in speeds to Daryl and Rick. In their first meeting, he didn't give his best and didn't want to seriously hurt or kill them. Holding Back Jesus superior to enraged Morgan with bo staff, who should be stronger than his season 3 version, who traded blows with Rick
Post-Timeskip Daryl. Should be superior to his Pre-Timeskip version. Can keep up with Brandon Carver, who shown be massively superior to Negan and Maggie. Also Maggie can keep up with Leah Shaw in combat, who scales to Peak Human speed
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Rick should be get stronger after CRM traning
And of course Beta (who can keep up with Post-Timeskip Daryl in combat, while not fighting at full power, because he wanted to find out from Daryl where the alpha's daughter was, not kill him)
Characters, who should scale to At least Peak Human combat and reaction speeds:
Paul Rovia, Post-Timeskip Daryl, Beta, Post CRM Rick
[Lifting Strenght]
Initially, I wanted to donwgrade LS of 90% characters to Athletic Human. But then I remembered Shane's neck breaking feat.
This scales 90% characters (who have profiles) to Peak Human LS
But......... We have goofy ahh anti-feat with vending machine (0:15) (curse the one who was author of this scene)
In defense against this anti-feat, I will say that in this episode Rick and Daryl went to look for supplies and food for Alexandria and as far as I remember they were very short of food and this problem was raised more than once and because of this they had to make a deal with a Hilltop where there was food. Well, Rick and Daryl might have been weakened due to lack of food? (God, it possible to think of a dumber excuse?)
Proposal 1
We are downgrading LS almost all characters to Athletic Human except Beta, who shown be have Peak Human LS. One of his feats where he lifted Laura and slammed her against a cell bar, causing her neck broke or crawled out of a grave (0:08)
Post-Timeskip Daryl should have At most Peak Human LS. Since he is weaker than Beta, but he can still push him (3:09 and 4:11)
Proposal 2
We accept my excuse for anti-feat or do we ignore this anti-feat? And 90% of characters have Peak Human LS (via scaling from Shane). Except Beta, who will have At least Peak Human LS (because he is way physically stronger than Daryl and Negan)
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Regardless of that Spin-off Daryl and Codron should have Class 1 LS, since Daryl was able go break neck while being in weakened state (1:20)
SEASON 2. Daryl breaks guy neck with bow (5:08)
Daryl throws man throughs glass several meters away (2:47)
And in general spin-off Daryl is superior to his Post-Timeskip version
[Stamina]
Rick Grimes: Peak Human>>>At least Peak Human
So main feat for Rick's stamina remains how, being pierced by a rebar, he was able to free himself and travel a long distance. I want to dig into it a little bit.
Watch this scenes. They show approximately Rick's complete route after he was wounded.
Rick falls on rebar and pulls himself off it
Rick lost consciousness many times but regained consciousness.
And
3:37 (He was able to broke a wooden plank off a door in weakened state)
He arrives at bridge and shoots dynamite to blow it up. (1:12 he was able to kill walker)
he was pierced by a rebar, pulled himself out, could hold on and mount a horse, lost consciousness many times but regained consciousness, was able to knock out a wooden plank, traveled the some distance, was able to kill one walker and after that he was thrown by a shock wave of bridge explosion and he was still conscious and could move
Additionally. Jadis shot him and threw him off wall of Alexandria. He was held hostage by Jadis and Negan, but after Hilltop and the Kingdom came to the rescue, he could shot without visible signs of pain.
(0:22 2:07 2:19)
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If all this is not superhuman stamina then I think that At least Peak Human should be okay
Beta: At least Peak Human>>>Superhuman
Beta may not pay attention to wounds and cuts
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1:20
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After he fell into the elevator shaft, he survived and was able to function without any medical assistance.
(4:11) During the fall, it could be heard that he hitting walls of shaft several times.
(I'm not using this feat to scale Beta's durability because this fall knocked him out indefinitely. It's better to use this feat for stamina)
Whisperers have a nomadic lifestyle, they are closer to primitive tribes and don't have modern usual amenities.
(0:26 and 1:10) Daryl stabbed two knives into Beta eyes, (note the length of knives) and later Beta smiled as he was eaten by walkers
[Abilities]
Rick Grimes: Rage Power>>>to
Limited Rage Power & Berserk Mode
I realized that current Rick's Rage Power ability is not exactly accurate.
During their stay in locked lab, Shane loses himself, but Rick, who understood that Shane could only make things worse and put his family in even greater danger, manages to overpower him, although in season 2, during their fight, it was shown that Shane is physically stronger than Rick
While, it has been difficult and dangerous for the whole group to be in the prison block
Rick lost himself after his wife died
And after that, he was able to kill Walkers alone in the prison block
Rick spends an unspecified amount of time in prison block killing walkers
When Glenn comes to calm Rick down, Rick attacks him
During Rick's (mad arc), he hears hallucinations. He spent the whole day killing walkers. I can't provide all scenes, but in seasons 3 and 4, there were many moments when even a few people with weapons found it difficult to be in prison blocks, while Rick was able to stay alone and clear prison block durning his berserk state
When Claimers attack Rick, Michonne and Carl. (2:29) One of claimers is about to r*pe Carl and Rick gets into a fight with Joe. But due to the fact that Rick did not eat much (during his travels with Michonne and Carl, they repeatedly had problems with food) and was weakened after being wounded in leg, which he received during the governor's attack on prison, he was overpowered and beaten by Joe. (2:56) But realizing that all his loved ones are in danger, he bites off Joe's throat. And later (3:41) He takes a knife and goes at fat one, despite the fact that claimer is holding Carl hostage and may kill him. Rick starts cutting fat one without noticing Carl
After his lover died and his son got shot
Rick lost it and went to take on hundreds of walkers by himself
After another unsuccessful escape attempt, during which he lost his arm. Rick realizes that he will not be able to escape from CRM and he will never see Michonne and his childrens again, he becomes angry and kills many Walkers>>>setting a record for series of killings of Walkers for whole history of Harvest Point
All of Rick's rage and berserk state appears in critical situations and moments or when he is experiencing strong emotions. And that's why I think Rick should have Limited Rage Power & Berserk Mode
Before I start, I'd like to say why I don't want to scale these feats from Daryl Dixon series to rest of characters.
TWD Daryl dodges gunfire
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The Walking Dead (Re)Calc: Daryl Slams Into Stone Cross
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1. As I said in this thread, I think Daryl should have a separate key for his spin-off
Thread 'TWD return to 9-B? Or something else?' https://vsbattles.com/threads/twd-return-to-9-b-or-something-else.174429/
2. I will also insist on a key (spin-off) for Maggie and Negan. Dead City S2 is coming out soon. So why do I want these characters to have separate keys for the spin-offs? Because these spin-offs are happening or will happen in future seasons at some time interval from main series. characters become more experienced and stronger. Budget for spin-offs is increasing, quality is getting better and number of action scenes is increasing. Directors need to surprise the audience somehow and keep their attention. Accordingly, new types of walkers appear in spin-offs such as: walker king (Dead City), stone walker (The Ones Who Live), or super walkers (Daryl Dixon). More action scenes and fights with main characters. More superhuman level moments. Let's say we get wall level feat from Daryl Dixon season 3 or Dead City season 2, but we won't be able to use them because main series has a bunch of anti-feats in it, although there aren' in new spin-offs. That's not right for me.
Current TWD spin-offs are not like main TWD series. I don't want to scale feats from spin-offs to main series.
So TWD main series needs AP and speed feats
[Attack Potency]
Current TWD Street level+ scaling to high end of breaking bones is not very correct and thread of downgrading has already been raised.
Accepted calcs
TWD: Beta's Kool-Aid Man impression
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Daryl gets punched through a wall
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(Additionally)
(3:21) Rick busted doors open
(0:06) Beta busted door open
What should require thus much energy
Common Feat: Pounding a Closed or Locked Door Open
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4,5 KJ range for TWD. Who scales?
Beta, Post-Timeskip Daryl, Post and Pre-Timeskip Negan (Post-Timeskip Daryl traded blows with Carver)
(0:52) Post-Timeskip Negan can withstand blows from Carver and Daryl
(3:42)
Pre-Timeskip Negan comporable, if not stronger than his Post-Timeskip version and can harm those, who can harm him (Rick and Negan fights)
continue scaling chain: Rick Grimes Pre CRM, Merle Dixon (traded blows with Daryl and knocked down Rick), Glene (2:56 can harm Merle fight headbutt and withstand his blows)
Abraham (0:30 traded blows with Glenn)
Governor, Shane, Michonne (0:21 can harm Merle, Fight and withstand blows from Governor, (4:15) Knocked out Rick with one blow)
Jesus Paul Rovia, Dwight
(I'm not touching on Carl, Maggie, and Morgan because these profiles need more reworking (adding new keys, abilities). I would like them to be deleted. It was easier for me to create them from scratch with correct stats)
Post CRM Rick should be At least Street level. Since he must be get stronger after CRM training
(0:37) And can harm Pearl Thorne
(1:47) Who survived after massive explosion
[Speed]
Accepted calcs
Walking Dead Misc Speed feats
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Characters scales to Peak Human c/r speeds. Who scales: Rick Grimes Pre CRM, Negan Pre Post-Timeskip, Daryl Pre-Timeskip, Shane Walsh, Merle Dixon, Governor, Michonne, Glenn, Abraham
Who scales to At least Peak Human c/r speeds
Jesus Paul Rovia (shown be superior in speeds to Daryl and Rick. In their first meeting, he didn't give his best and didn't want to seriously hurt or kill them. Holding Back Jesus superior to enraged Morgan with bo staff, who should be stronger than his season 3 version, who traded blows with Rick
Post-Timeskip Daryl. Should be superior to his Pre-Timeskip version. Can keep up with Brandon Carver, who shown be massively superior to Negan and Maggie. Also Maggie can keep up with Leah Shaw in combat, who scales to Peak Human speed
TWD Leah dodges a knife throw
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Rick should be get stronger after CRM traning
And of course Beta (who can keep up with Post-Timeskip Daryl in combat, while not fighting at full power, because he wanted to find out from Daryl where the alpha's daughter was, not kill him)
Characters, who should scale to At least Peak Human combat and reaction speeds:
Paul Rovia, Post-Timeskip Daryl, Beta, Post CRM Rick
[Lifting Strenght]
Initially, I wanted to donwgrade LS of 90% characters to Athletic Human. But then I remembered Shane's neck breaking feat.
This scales 90% characters (who have profiles) to Peak Human LS
But......... We have goofy ahh anti-feat with vending machine (0:15) (
In defense against this anti-feat, I will say that in this episode Rick and Daryl went to look for supplies and food for Alexandria and as far as I remember they were very short of food and this problem was raised more than once and because of this they had to make a deal with a Hilltop where there was food. Well, Rick and Daryl might have been weakened due to lack of food? (God, it possible to think of a dumber excuse?)
Proposal 1
We are downgrading LS almost all characters to Athletic Human except Beta, who shown be have Peak Human LS. One of his feats where he lifted Laura and slammed her against a cell bar, causing her neck broke or crawled out of a grave (0:08)
Post-Timeskip Daryl should have At most Peak Human LS. Since he is weaker than Beta, but he can still push him (3:09 and 4:11)
Proposal 2
We accept my excuse for anti-feat or do we ignore this anti-feat? And 90% of characters have Peak Human LS (via scaling from Shane). Except Beta, who will have At least Peak Human LS (because he is way physically stronger than Daryl and Negan)
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Regardless of that Spin-off Daryl and Codron should have Class 1 LS, since Daryl was able go break neck while being in weakened state (1:20)
SEASON 2. Daryl breaks guy neck with bow (5:08)
Daryl throws man throughs glass several meters away (2:47)
And in general spin-off Daryl is superior to his Post-Timeskip version
[Stamina]
Rick Grimes: Peak Human>>>At least Peak Human
So main feat for Rick's stamina remains how, being pierced by a rebar, he was able to free himself and travel a long distance. I want to dig into it a little bit.
Watch this scenes. They show approximately Rick's complete route after he was wounded.
Rick falls on rebar and pulls himself off it
Rick lost consciousness many times but regained consciousness.
And
3:37 (He was able to broke a wooden plank off a door in weakened state)
He arrives at bridge and shoots dynamite to blow it up. (1:12 he was able to kill walker)
he was pierced by a rebar, pulled himself out, could hold on and mount a horse, lost consciousness many times but regained consciousness, was able to knock out a wooden plank, traveled the some distance, was able to kill one walker and after that he was thrown by a shock wave of bridge explosion and he was still conscious and could move
Additionally. Jadis shot him and threw him off wall of Alexandria. He was held hostage by Jadis and Negan, but after Hilltop and the Kingdom came to the rescue, he could shot without visible signs of pain.
(0:22 2:07 2:19)
The Walking Dead 7x16 Negan Captures Alexandria Rick & Carl Held Hostage
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If all this is not superhuman stamina then I think that At least Peak Human should be okay
Beta: At least Peak Human>>>Superhuman
Beta may not pay attention to wounds and cuts
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After he fell into the elevator shaft, he survived and was able to function without any medical assistance.
(4:11) During the fall, it could be heard that he hitting walls of shaft several times.
(I'm not using this feat to scale Beta's durability because this fall knocked him out indefinitely. It's better to use this feat for stamina)
Whisperers have a nomadic lifestyle, they are closer to primitive tribes and don't have modern usual amenities.
(0:26 and 1:10) Daryl stabbed two knives into Beta eyes, (note the length of knives) and later Beta smiled as he was eaten by walkers
[Abilities]
Rick Grimes: Rage Power>>>to
Limited Rage Power & Berserk Mode
I realized that current Rick's Rage Power ability is not exactly accurate.
During their stay in locked lab, Shane loses himself, but Rick, who understood that Shane could only make things worse and put his family in even greater danger, manages to overpower him, although in season 2, during their fight, it was shown that Shane is physically stronger than Rick
While, it has been difficult and dangerous for the whole group to be in the prison block
Rick lost himself after his wife died
And after that, he was able to kill Walkers alone in the prison block
Rick spends an unspecified amount of time in prison block killing walkers
When Glenn comes to calm Rick down, Rick attacks him
During Rick's (mad arc), he hears hallucinations. He spent the whole day killing walkers. I can't provide all scenes, but in seasons 3 and 4, there were many moments when even a few people with weapons found it difficult to be in prison blocks, while Rick was able to stay alone and clear prison block durning his berserk state
When Claimers attack Rick, Michonne and Carl. (2:29) One of claimers is about to r*pe Carl and Rick gets into a fight with Joe. But due to the fact that Rick did not eat much (during his travels with Michonne and Carl, they repeatedly had problems with food) and was weakened after being wounded in leg, which he received during the governor's attack on prison, he was overpowered and beaten by Joe. (2:56) But realizing that all his loved ones are in danger, he bites off Joe's throat. And later (3:41) He takes a knife and goes at fat one, despite the fact that claimer is holding Carl hostage and may kill him. Rick starts cutting fat one without noticing Carl
After his lover died and his son got shot
Rick lost it and went to take on hundreds of walkers by himself
After another unsuccessful escape attempt, during which he lost his arm. Rick realizes that he will not be able to escape from CRM and he will never see Michonne and his childrens again, he becomes angry and kills many Walkers>>>setting a record for series of killings of Walkers for whole history of Harvest Point
All of Rick's rage and berserk state appears in critical situations and moments or when he is experiencing strong emotions. And that's why I think Rick should have Limited Rage Power & Berserk Mode
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