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Tokoyami is like the one that was the closest to be a threat to Prime AFO in the final battle
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MHA You're Next: Top/God Tier Upgrades
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how many votes are there so far?
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I think Rusty's view makes the most sense here in context.
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Added what I believe to be the votes in the OP. I'm so lazy.
I would appreciate if DarkDragonMedeus could confirm his opinion, especially given recent posts.
As all he said was that Clover sounded right, and I'm not positive that's a clear vote for anything. I also don't want to assume a vote either, as that'd be bad.
I would appreciate if DarkDragonMedeus could confirm his opinion, especially given recent posts.
As all he said was that Clover sounded right, and I'm not positive that's a clear vote for anything. I also don't want to assume a vote either, as that'd be bad.
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Creating Golems isn't life creation. He cannot even create real plants; the "trees" inside of his fortress were noted as being fake. He's never shown changing or interacting with organic matter to begin with. Even his own appearance was just a "suit" he wore over his real body. He likely cannot do it to begin with.
We also don't have life creation as an ability on the wiki. If you mean life manipulation, that's a hard no.
Anna is a character, not a device or special ability. There's no reason to label her as if she was his standard equipment or something.
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Bump.
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I'll swap from neutral to full agree here as well
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I agree with everything as Rusty's arguments makes the most sense here.
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Question regarding the arguments surrounding Deku still being Prime All Might level during the final punch. If that was the case, wouldn’t that mean numerous lesser characters such as Kurogiri and Hagakure be Prime All Might level in speed unironically for being able to intercept both him and ShigAFO or am I missing something? Personally that sounds crazier than Deku simply just being 60X Weaker/weaker than weakened All Might level.
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That's already been debunked. Izuku was not Prime All Might level during the final punch, that bit seems to be agreed on.
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To explain the High 6-A scaling yet again for any staff just looking in.
Izuku is vastly below 100% when he performs that feat. He's not using 100% as you can tell by his appearance, and he's severely weakened by his injuries. Izuku's Full Cowl is slow enough that he needs help from others to avoid AFO's attacks. Kurogiri is also shown to intercept him mid High 6-A punch as well.
Kurogiri is slower than Weakened All Might. This means Izuku is slower than Weakened All Might as well.
When using Full Cowl, Izuku has never been shown to increase his power and speed independently. Here's an example to help explain, Izuku cannot use 10% Full Cowl for speed while his power is at 20%. If his speed is at 10%, that means his power is at 10% as well. The only exception would be if Izuku was mixing percentages in different limbs. Like if he was using 10% in his legs to run and activated 20% when he threw a punch. However, nothing in the final battle states or even implies he's doing that.
Without proof, that's just meaningless speculation. Also, that's contradicted by Kurogiri intercepting Izuku mid punch as shown above. If Izuku's speed is below Weakened All Might, that means his power is below Weakened All Might as well. As such, Weakened All Might should scale to the High 6-A feat.
I also think it should scale back to Izuku during the You're Next movie. Izuku is shown to struggle against Dark Might, and at times is even desperate as well. Implying he's giving it everything he's got that isn't 100%. Izuku also performed that High 6-A feat without 100% and was severely tired and weakened.
While in the movie, Izuku is completely fresh when facing Dark Might. Full Cowl Izuku in the movie should be stronger than the heavily weakened Full Cowl Izuku in the Final War Arc that happens three days after the movie. There's no reason to assume that an Izuku that can barely walk, is stronger than a healthy Izuku.
Izuku's statement here is also not about his current power in this moment. It's about the power of One For All itself, which he just transferred into Tomura's body. That's the reason why we see a flashback of All Might telling Izuku his current body cannot withstand OFA's power. What All Might said to Izuku is happening to Tomura. His weakened body couldn't withstand the power of all nine of them being forcibly transferred into him, and is falling apart as a result.
Izuku is vastly below 100% when he performs that feat. He's not using 100% as you can tell by his appearance, and he's severely weakened by his injuries. Izuku's Full Cowl is slow enough that he needs help from others to avoid AFO's attacks. Kurogiri is also shown to intercept him mid High 6-A punch as well.
Kurogiri is slower than Weakened All Might. This means Izuku is slower than Weakened All Might as well.
When using Full Cowl, Izuku has never been shown to increase his power and speed independently. Here's an example to help explain, Izuku cannot use 10% Full Cowl for speed while his power is at 20%. If his speed is at 10%, that means his power is at 10% as well. The only exception would be if Izuku was mixing percentages in different limbs. Like if he was using 10% in his legs to run and activated 20% when he threw a punch. However, nothing in the final battle states or even implies he's doing that.
Without proof, that's just meaningless speculation. Also, that's contradicted by Kurogiri intercepting Izuku mid punch as shown above. If Izuku's speed is below Weakened All Might, that means his power is below Weakened All Might as well. As such, Weakened All Might should scale to the High 6-A feat.
I also think it should scale back to Izuku during the You're Next movie. Izuku is shown to struggle against Dark Might, and at times is even desperate as well. Implying he's giving it everything he's got that isn't 100%. Izuku also performed that High 6-A feat without 100% and was severely tired and weakened.
While in the movie, Izuku is completely fresh when facing Dark Might. Full Cowl Izuku in the movie should be stronger than the heavily weakened Full Cowl Izuku in the Final War Arc that happens three days after the movie. There's no reason to assume that an Izuku that can barely walk, is stronger than a healthy Izuku.
Izuku's statement here is also not about his current power in this moment. It's about the power of One For All itself, which he just transferred into Tomura's body. That's the reason why we see a flashback of All Might telling Izuku his current body cannot withstand OFA's power. What All Might said to Izuku is happening to Tomura. His weakened body couldn't withstand the power of all nine of them being forcibly transferred into him, and is falling apart as a result.
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I agree with all the upgrades being proposed.
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If we’re going with nerfed Deku being Weakened AM level, then there should probably be a note for his 100% for the 60x value he scales to. All I see in the sandbox is him jumping from 42 petatons to 12 exatons without the midpoint.
And I mean if everyone is fine with Rusty’s reasoning for Embers Deku being comparable if not weaker than Weakened AM then I’ll agree as well. Feels weird seeing the 60x I fought for take us so far.
So close to 5-C, but no cigar
And I mean if everyone is fine with Rusty’s reasoning for Embers Deku being comparable if not weaker than Weakened AM then I’ll agree as well. Feels weird seeing the 60x I fought for take us so far.
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I can add something. Probably should've, considering how important it is.
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Added the value to the sandbox.
Also, I added an explanation on why we're scaling All Might to the smash to begin with in his section.
Also, I added an explanation on why we're scaling All Might to the smash to begin with in his section.
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Oh ok so his injuries are what you are saying is causing a lower percentage ?
Then yeah I agree.
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@TheRustyOne Seems you're forgot to add my votesEZ Agree
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Bump.
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Three staff votes of agreement. With the thread accepted, I can make with the changes.
However, I cannot do that right now. I'll get to it as soon as I can. After confirming all of the accepted changes have been made, this thread will be closed.
Edit: I'm starting the changes now.
However, I cannot do that right now. I'll get to it as soon as I can. After confirming all of the accepted changes have been made, this thread will be closed.
Edit: I'm starting the changes now.
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@Therefir
You got rid of some of Base Izuku's stats by mistake.
His Post-Final War Arc Attack Potency and Striking Strength.
His Final War Arc and Post-Final War Arc Durability were removed.
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I believe I've changed all of the other profiles. Feel free to fix any mistakes you notice. However, I believe this thread can now be closed.
You got rid of some of Base Izuku's stats by mistake.
His Post-Final War Arc Attack Potency and Striking Strength.
His Final War Arc and Post-Final War Arc Durability were removed.
@Everyone
I believe I've changed all of the other profiles. Feel free to fix any mistakes you notice. However, I believe this thread can now be closed.
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